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[chaddyrovers]

6 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

He’s lost every game so far though, so it’s obviously not going well, regardless.

Well he has he lost 3 and draw 1 in the league

 

4 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

And if you saw how they conceded the penalty, it was incredibly suicidal. Their lads second touch was a ridiculous foul in the box.

Elliott Anderson you mean? 

[joey_big_nose]

5 hours ago, davulsukur said:

As you'd fully expect, Forest look laughably suspect at the back now Ange has been in charge for a few games.

 No idea what Forest were thinking with that move.

It's got to be arguably the craziest manager move in Premier League history. Can anyone think of one as bizarre? Sure they are out there, I just can't think of them.  Well actually maybe replacing Kenny Dlaglish with Ray Harford.... I jest.

Ange had done as much as you could do to show that he was not suited to the premier league, managed to nearly get a squad that cost hundreds of millions relegated (average to get relegated in premier league over last 10 years is 35 points. Spurs finished with 38). 

[chaddyrovers]

9 hours ago, joey_big_nose said:

It's got to be arguably the craziest manager move in Premier League history. Can anyone think of one as bizarre? Sure they are out there, I just can't think of them.  Well actually maybe replacing Kenny Dlaglish with Ray Harford.... I jest.

Ange had done as much as you could do to show that he was not suited to the premier league, managed to nearly get a squad that cost hundreds of millions relegated (average to get relegated in premier league over last 10 years is 35 points. Spurs finished with 38). 

Sunderland sacking Peter Reid for Howard Wilkinson

Villa appointing Remi Garde

Alex Mcleish swapping Birmingham for Viila

Bolton appointing Sammy Lee as Sam Allardyce replacement

Fulham appointing Felix Magath

[KentExile]

35 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Sunderland sacking Peter Reid for Howard Wilkinson

Villa appointing Remi Garde

Alex Mcleish swapping Birmingham for Viila

Bolton appointing Sammy Lee as Sam Allardyce replacement

Fulham appointing Felix Magath

sacking Sam Allardyce for Steve Kean beats all of those

[speeeeeeedie]

On 03/10/2025 at 07:31, chaddyrovers said:

plenty of head coaches have had only Plan A and when it doesn't work then don't have B. Someone like Sven Goran Eriksson or Roy Hodgson. 

Ange has been there for 6 games FFS, Allow some time and patience when some on here don't have. Did Forest play 3 at the back yesterday? so isn't a plan B 

@roversfan99 did you ever allow new head coach time to bring in his ideas and methods over and given that Ange probably didn't have much time on the training ground to implement his own ways yet?

A few years ago Sam Allardyce left Palace at the end of the season having kept them up. They brought in Frank De Boer to replace him. He wanted to change systems away from what Allardyce did but tried it too quickly, and without the necessary players. It took the Palace hierarchy 5 games before they realised that it wasn't going to work and dispensed with his services.

Nuno to Ange is a similar shift; they have opposing philosophies. It's not working so I would not be surprised if Ange got the boot soon. Forest's next 4 league fixtures are Chelsea, Bournemouth (A), Man U, Leeds. Leeds is a 6 pointer. I think that he will be in real trouble if he loses that match.

Also, Leverkusen potted ten Hag after 3 games this year. I don't think that they have lost a league game since. Was that too early?

Sometimes managers don't work. As a Rovers fan you should be fully aware of this. 

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, speeeeeeedie said:

A few years ago Sam Allardyce left Palace at the end of the season having kept them up. They brought in Frank De Boer to replace him. He wanted to change systems away from what Allardyce did but tried it too quickly, and without the necessary players. It took the Palace hierarchy 5 games before they realised that it wasn't going to work and dispensed with his services.

Nuno to Ange is a similar shift; they have opposing philosophies. It's not working so I would not be surprised if Ange got the boot soon. Forest's next 4 league fixtures are Chelsea, Bournemouth (A), Man U, Leeds. Leeds is a 6 pointer. I think that he will be in real trouble if he loses that match.

But Ange isn't playing the type of tactics and style he was at Spurs. Yesterday he played 5-4-1 against Newcastle. He has played back 5 more already at Forest then he ever did at Spurs from the start. 

The problems with Nuno weren't results related but problems with owner and Edu plus the lack of transfers being down early. Isn't that the Nuno story to his sacking? 

2 hours ago, speeeeeeedie said:

Also, Leverkusen potted ten Hag after 3 games this year. I don't think that they have lost a league game since. Was that too early?

Wasn't alot of that down to problems behind the scenes like transfer problems with signings but also selling key players like to Sunderland? 

2 hours ago, speeeeeeedie said:

Sometimes managers don't work. As a Rovers fan you should be fully aware of this. 

100% granted 

[roversfan99]

If you having a winning philosophy but then your manager parts ways for reasons that arent performance based, surely you dont then appoint someone who has been crap in English football who plays in a way that couldnt be more different.

It seems that often talented managers are seen as secondary to people off the field in high positions. Surely out of Nuno and Edu, the latter would be the one seen as dispensable.

[chaddyrovers]

25 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

If you having a winning philosophy but then your manager parts ways for reasons that arent performance based, surely you dont then appoint someone who has been crap in English football who plays in a way that couldnt be more different.

It seems that often talented managers are seen as secondary to people off the field in high positions. Surely out of Nuno and Edu, the latter would be the one seen as dispensable.

You make a very fair points there but like I said previously Ange hasn't come in and played his style from Spurs. He played 5 at the back yesterday against Newcastle something he didnt do Spurs. This doesn't look like Spurs Ange at Forest. I would have gone more attacking yesterday 

On your Edu point, the Forest owner went to get him from Arsenal and appointed him officially only in July. He wasnt going to sack him after 2 months was he? 

[speeeeeeedie]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

But Ange isn't playing the type of tactics and style he was at Spurs. Yesterday he played 5-4-1 against Newcastle. He has played back 5 more already at Forest then he ever did at Spurs from the start. 

The problems with Nuno weren't results related but problems with owner and Edu plus the lack of transfers being down early. Isn't that the Nuno story to his sacking? 

Wasn't alot of that down to problems behind the scenes like transfer problems with signings but also selling key players like to Sunderland? 

Ange Postecoglou talked about his footballing philosophy in this interview that I found pretty quickly; Big Ange's football philosophy 

I'd say it can be summarised by this quote from it; "Winning 4-3 is more exciting than winning 1-0. The more goals we score the happier I am about the football we’re playing".

Nuno's Forest last season were the absolute opposite of that. They were happy ceding 80% possession and hitting teams on the break. 

I watched enough Spurs games with Ange in charge to know that 5-4-1 wasn't his preferred method. He has to play that way presently as his Forest players aren't set up to play his devil may care brand of attacking football. So far though he hasn't been able to shape what he has at his disposal into a cohesive group.

You are correct that Nuno left because he could not work with Edu but that has nothing to do with how Postecoglou sees football. Any sensible new manager decision should have been made knowing that the current Forest squad is used to a type of football far removed from what Ange plays. Chris Wood cannot do what Solanke and Son did. Nuno put Forest on the spot so they hired someone quickly who was out of work and had Prem experience. Not the ideal way to guarantee continuity.

As to ten Hag. Leverkusen did lose players, and brought in new ones; what teams didn't? However, as the BBC noted here; ten Hag sacked Leverksuen made a strategic decision. 

"Nobody wanted to take this step," Leverkusen managing director Simon Rolfes told the club website”. "However, the past few weeks have shown that building a new and successful team with this set-up is not feasible."

"A parting of ways at this early stage of the season is painful, but we felt it was necessary," added Leverkusen CEO Fernando Carro.

Ruthless yet it's looking like the correct decision.

[GHR]

I was sure Edu rang a bell in a Rovers context, and it transpired he scored an own goal whilst playing us once, back in the league in 02-03. We were the only team to do the league double over Arsenal that year.

Imagine such a world 🙃

[chaddyrovers]

8 minutes ago, speeeeeeedie said:

Ange Postecoglou talked about his footballing philosophy in this interview that I found pretty quickly; Big Ange's football philosophy 

I'd say it can be summarised by this quote from it; "Winning 4-3 is more exciting than winning 1-0. The more goals we score the happier I am about the football we’re playing".

Nuno's Forest last season were the absolute opposite of that. They were happy ceding 80% possession and hitting teams on the break. 

I watched enough Spurs games with Ange in charge to know that 5-4-1 wasn't his preferred method. He has to play that way presently as his Forest players aren't set up to play his devil may care brand of attacking football. So far though he hasn't been able to shape what he has at his disposal into a cohesive group.

You are correct that Nuno left because he could not work with Edu but that has nothing to do with how Postecoglou sees football. Any sensible new manager decision should have been made knowing that the current Forest squad is used to a type of football far removed from what Ange plays. Chris Wood cannot do what Solanke and Son did. Nuno put Forest on the spot so they hired someone quickly who was out of work and had Prem experience. Not the ideal way to guarantee continuity.

Ange isn't playing the type of football he was at Spurs. He has played differently, less attacking.. Forest squad is different but I also think signing players McAtee and Hutchinson suggest a different style of play was coming before Nuno sacking.  

I think Forest were wrong to sack Nuno but when Nuno voiced his complaints in public, it was only ever going to land with him getting sacked. 

8 minutes ago, speeeeeeedie said:

As to ten Hag. Leverkusen did lose players, and brought in new ones; what teams didn't? However, as the BBC noted here; ten Hag sacked Leverksuen made a strategic decision. 

"Nobody wanted to take this step," Leverkusen managing director Simon Rolfes told the club website”. "However, the past few weeks have shown that building a new and successful team with this set-up is not feasible."

"A parting of ways at this early stage of the season is painful, but we felt it was necessary," added Leverkusen CEO Fernando Carro.

Ruthless yet it's looking like the correct decision.

but its seems from what I read around it all, that its seems to be failure from minute 1 after the appointment. Ten Hag doesn't seem fit what they wanted but also he wasn't happy who left and who was signed by them

[roversfan99]

UEFA have "reluctantly" agreed to having a Spanish and Italian match abroad.

England will be next.

[chaddyrovers]

bet we aren't. 

UEFA will stop this. Their president Aleksander Čeferin is furious about this.