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[magicalmortensleftpeg]

This all seems very tedious. We’ve heard before that the club have generally been open with conversations during the FF and minutes were rarely disputed. 

Issuing public statements and alleging conspiracies over a set of minutes seems disproportionate and counter productive. We want to have more communication from the club but this will hardly help. 

[RevidgeBlue]

15 minutes ago, magicalmortensleftpeg said:

This all seems very tedious. We’ve heard before that the club have generally been open with conversations during the FF and minutes were rarely disputed. 

Issuing public statements and alleging conspiracies over a set of minutes seems disproportionate and counter productive. We want to have more communication from the club but this will hardly help. 

We want to have more "meaningful" communication with the Club not a PR briefing with a set of nodding dogs.

[Hasta]

23 minutes ago, magicalmortensleftpeg said:

This all seems very tedious. We’ve heard before that the club have generally been open with conversations during the FF and minutes were rarely disputed. 

Issuing public statements and alleging conspiracies over a set of minutes seems disproportionate and counter productive. We want to have more communication from the club but this will hardly help. 

The minutes didn’t reflect what was said. The minutes were amended. All the FF agreed these were accurate. The club refuse approve them.

What is the conspiracy you are saying is being alleged?  

Do you believe every member of the FF is colluding and lying about what was said to make the club look bad? 
 

I’m not sure I understand what you think is happening here.

Edited 3 hours ago by Hasta

[Roverthechimp]

8 minutes ago, Hasta said:

The minutes didn’t reflect what was said. The minutes were amended. All the FF agreed these were accurate. The club refuse approve them.

What is the conspiracy you are saying is being alleged?  

Do you believe every member of the FF is colluding and lying about what was said to make the club look bad? 
 

I’m not sure I understand what you think is happening here.

I think the confusion comes from the fact that a first set of minutes appears to have been accepted by the FF prior to Glen’s intervention.

A little clarity on that aspect would be a good thing as currently it is not clear to myself and probably others as to the chain of events leading to the situation where the FF sent a 2nd set of minutes to the club after GM raised the issue 

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

14 minutes ago, Hasta said:

The minutes didn’t reflect what was said. The minutes were amended. All the FF agreed these were accurate. The club refuse approve them.

What is the conspiracy you are saying is being alleged?  

Do you believe every member of the FF is colluding and lying about what was said to make the club look bad? 
 

I’m not sure I understand what you think is happening here.

Conspiracies in regards to almost every post on the previous page.

I wasn’t there so have no idea what was said. But this all seems over dramatic for a set of minutes. I mean, Glen’s going on a podcast about it..

[Hasta]

10 minutes ago, Roverthechimp said:

I think the confusion comes from the fact that a first set of minutes appears to have been accepted by the FF prior to Glen’s intervention.

A little clarity on that aspect would be a good thing as currently it is not clear to myself and probably others as to the chain of events leading to the situation where the FF sent a 2nd set of minutes to the club after GM raised the issue 

True. Glenn said “To add, the flaw in the ff system is the original minutes go to the club for approval prior to being circulated to the FF attendees, with the intention they are on website within 48 hours of club approval.”

Which implies the rest of the FF didn’t see them until the club had. It would be better framing the minutes amongst the FF before sending to the club, as I suspect people won’t want to speak up and change after the minutes have been sent.

Edited 2 hours ago by Hasta

[Hasta]

7 minutes ago, magicalmortensleftpeg said:

Conspiracies in regards to almost every post on the previous page.

I wasn’t there so have no idea what was said. But this all seems over dramatic for a set of minutes. I mean, Glen’s going on a podcast about it..

If you think there’s a conspiracy going on, or if you think there is a conspiracy theory amongst the FF, just state what you think it is. 
 

I think a club official lost his rag and said a couple of things he shouldn’t and now he doesn’t want it to be made official in the public domain.
That’s the only thing I can see you could be referring to, and generally all the FF members appear to be adamant that happened / was said.

Edited 2 hours ago by Hasta

[paullarrygher]

In terms of breaking the stalemate with the content, could one way forward be to publish the original minutes and any disputed points that have the majority agreement of attendees are included as a note to that point?

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, Roverthechimp said:

I think the confusion comes from the fact that a first set of minutes appears to have been accepted by the FF prior to Glen’s intervention.

When I was on the FF I (nor anyone else as far as I know) were never asked to approve any minutes, the first time I ever saw them was when they were published.

I'm guessing that up to the last meeting, the procedure was still the same in that the Secretary (O2G) wrote up the minutes, sent them to the Club and if approved they subsequently appeared on the Club website?

[Roverthechimp]

47 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

When I was on the FF I (nor anyone else as far as I know) were never asked to approve any minutes, the first time I ever saw them was when they were published.

I'm guessing that up to the last meeting, the procedure was still the same in that the Secretary (O2G) wrote up the minutes, sent them to the Club and if approved they subsequently appeared on the Club website?

For me standard procedure for consultation meetings is that a secretary is appointed to write the minutes and a number of people appointed to “ratify/adjust” them prior to signing/publication.

Dependent on the number of attendees and organizations represented then the number varies between 2 - 6. It is fairly normal for some attendees to feel that certain things were missed IF the meeting was not following a precirculated agenda.

I have also experienced a situation where minutes could not be agreed. In that instance it was agreed that each representative was free to brief their organization and members whilst the minutes simply confirmed that discussions took place without consensus being found on formulating the results/answers. In instances where disagreements/confrontations took place then it was commonplace to use the euphemism “lively debate”

It has usually been the phrase “was not able to provide an answer that satisfied the participants” that has been used to highlight the source of the issues without giving them the option of questioning the quotes.
 

[Andy]

I can't find any legal reason not to release the minutes - only if the content was untrue, could they pursue potential legal action?

[Ossydave]

Never heard anything like it in my life. But, in all honesty nothing I've read over the last few pages surprises me in the slightest. 

I don't even know how the members of the FF can even be bothered attending if this is the outcome. From the clubs perspective, this whole shambles is also doing more harm than good. 

It's easy to forget members of this message board are slightly more privy to things like this, although I have noticed Glen's statement being shared in FB groups which is good.

I'd be tempted to just post the minutes in full, what's the worst that can happen? The club refuse to take part in further meetings? So? What purpose are they even serving anyway?

[BankEnd Rover]

Yep, release the minutes, let everyone see what what's said, ramp up the pressure and get Pasha out this club!