davulsukur Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago The only positive about the Forshaw signing is that he adds experience.ย However, Tronstad and Travis have plenty of experience and they are basically captain and vice captain, so there is enough between them to help younger players.ย Clubs that sign Squad fillers aren't ever going to achieve anything. At best, they'll stand still. A much better plan would have been getting Tronstad and Travis onto new contracts 6 months ago, selling Buckley, signing 2 new players (probably from abroad), one with a reasonable amount of experience and the other a bit younger, who can challenge and develop. You've then got the likes of Montgomery also involved and pushing the rest/getting minutes.ย As it stands, Travis, Tronstad and Forshaw all walk for nothing in 12 months and we need to spend a lot money on a huge problem that could have been avoided well in advance. 1 Quote
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RevidgeBlue Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 27 minutes ago, M_B said: It also looks like a signing with Ismael's blessing to me, which bodes well going forward.ย Wow......well, that's one way of spinning it. Chaddy would be proud of you for that one. Simon Garner had better fetch his boots down out of the attic. VI might fancy sprucing up the attack as well. 5 Quote
Dreams of 1995 Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago Experience and know how. Could do a lot worse Looked more like the Forshaw we knew about towards the end of the season. Usual crew in hysterics - in effect, itโs another part of what was a good squad staying. Canโt complainย 2 Quote
Ossydave Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago There's a term used by doormen "jacket filler", for someone who has the long jacket and his badges, but they don't get involved if shit hits the fan, they're just there making up the numbers. Forshaw is the footballing equivalent, he'll do fuck all useful and is pretty much just an extra body making up the numbers. Not sure how anyone can dress it up as a useful signing, awful waste of money when funds are tight. 4 Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 35 minutes ago, Forever Blue said: It would be fair assessment, but clearly not one you agree with.ย Then again, CMโs arenโt your strong point so ย maybe young Chadsterโs presumed assessment is accurate ๐ Different type of argument altogether. I don't think evenย proponents of Forshaw's limited abilities would be advocating he start. For me, if he isn't starting he is just blocking the pathway of a younger player coming through. The experience should come from the starting x1 not the fringe players. So either it's a sign he's likely to be replacing Travis or Tronstad directly or he's going to be filling out the squad in which case it's a completely pointless and ultimately counterproductive signing.ย Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said: Experience and know how. Could do a lot worse Looked more like the Forshaw we knew about towards the end of the season. Usual crew in hysterics - in effect, itโs another part of what was a good squad staying. Canโt complainย Well......it was a far better squad when we had Baker before he arrived! Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 16 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said: Well......it was a far better squad when we had Baker before he arrived! The baker debate is irrelevant because of all the monumental f ups rovers have done Stoke recalling him from his loan spell under a new manager isnโt one of themย Quote
simongarnerisgod Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago if signing crap and over the hill players continues with our better players sold or leaving for nothing, as we all suspect,we`llย be battling relegation bring on the protests,losing every week is nailed on to get even the most mild mannered fan riled up Quote
Parsonblue Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago More than happy to have Forshaw back.ย Decent squad player, plenty of experience and a able to pass that on to younger players.ย Thought he did well last season when he came on as a substitute,ย Like Weimann, a handy player to have on the bench. 2 Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: The baker debate is irrelevant because of all the monumental f ups rovers have done Stoke recalling him from his loan spell under a new manager isnโt one of themย Fair comment, not saying Rovers effed up on that, the point is the squad player could do with being more of the quality of Baker than Forshaw. Quote
... Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 2 hours ago, K-Hod said: Was only a joke mate, donโt take it so hard. Serious comments only please this is not a laughing matter ok-hod? ๐ Quote
roversfan99 Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 15 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said: Experience and know how. Could do a lot worse Looked more like the Forshaw we knew about towards the end of the season. Usual crew in hysterics - in effect, itโs another part of what was a good squad staying. Canโt complainย ย 49 minutes ago, M_B said: Spot on, if he's first or second replacement, then OK signing. If he's a starter, then obviously not. As you say, the longer the season went on, the better he got, which shouldn't be a surprise given he hadn't been playing at Plymouth. It also looks like a signing with Ismael's blessing to me, which bodes well going forward.ย Question for you both. I get the fact he's experienced and can do a job as a late sub if we are leading. But a squad player can be needed for a period of time to start games should the first choices get middle. If like for a spell this season, Forshaw was needed as 3rd/4th choice to play 5/6 games or more from the start, would you be comfortable that the overall quality of the team wouldn't dip too much? 1 Quote
Hasta Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: The baker debate is irrelevant because of all the monumental f ups rovers have done Stoke recalling him from his loan spell under a new manager isnโt one of themย Replacing our 3rd choice midfielder, who had started the last 4 games and was likely to get a lot more game time as the squad creaked towards the end of the season, with a guy that couldnโt get in the Plymouth side was fully on Rovers. Huge drop off in squad depth. ย ย 1 Quote
roversfan99 Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Parsonblue said: More than happy to have Forshaw back.ย Decent squad player, plenty of experience and a able to pass that on to younger players.ย Thought he did well last season when he came on as a substitute,ย Like Weimann, a handy player to have on the bench. Would you be comfortable if he needed to start games for a prolonged period due to injury/suspension? Quote
roversfan99 Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago Pre season starts on Monday, busy weekend ahead to get Ismael what he demanded! 2 Quote
... Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Parsonblue said: More than happy to have Forshaw back.ย Decent squad player, plenty of experience and a able to pass that on to younger players.ย Thought he did well last season when he came on as a substitute,ย Like Weimann, a handy player to have on the bench. I can't agree on that, he looked lost alot of the time playing chase the ball, that being said he looked better at the end than when he started 1 Quote
roverblue Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago Donโt mind Forshaw sticking around but a bizarre out then in scenario. For me it shows we are getting desperate with a lack of bodies for pre-season and a sure sign we are failing to land any of our targets. 2 Quote
Moderation Lead K-Hod Posted 11 hours ago Moderation Lead Posted 11 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Songman said: Lucas Joao anyone? What year is this? 1 Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Hasta said: Replacing our 3rd choice midfielder, who had started the last 4 games and was likely to get a lot more game time as the squad creaked towards the end of the season, with a guy that couldnโt get in the Plymouth side was fully on Rovers. Huge drop off in squad depth. ย ย I get some part of that but what I would come back with is at that stage who (within rovers restraints) was available to fit the championship ready/experienced role they were after? listen Adam forshaw isnโt the answer Iโm not supporting his signing at all (I can see logically how/why it makes sense to rovers) but in jan with baker being recalled out of the blue there wouldnโt have been much other options in the mould they wantedย Quote
Songman Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 2 minutes ago, K-Hod said: What year is this? It's not a suggestion. Just something I've heard we may have been interested in. A quick check shows he's 31 and on a free. Quote
M_B Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 31 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said: Wow......well, that's one way of spinning it. Chaddy would be proud of you for that one. Simon Garner had better fetch his boots down out of the attic. VI might fancy sprucing up the attack as well. There are plenty, cheap, experienced midfielders knocking around, you'd think Ismael would know one or two. Therefore, it would seem logical he's happy with the signing.ย Quote
Bohinen1983 Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago (edited) Rather play Garrett ย OR,ย use the wages to tie down one of Travis or Trondstadt... ย ย Edited 10 hours ago by Bohinen1983 2 Quote
M_B Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 13 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: ย Question for you both. I get the fact he's experienced and can do a job as a late sub if we are leading. But a squad player can be needed for a period of time to start games should the first choices get middle. If like for a spell this season, Forshaw was needed as 3rd/4th choice to play 5/6 games or more from the start, would you be comfortable that the overall quality of the team wouldn't dip too much? ย No I wouldn't be happy, I said first or second replacement. Obviously we might get stretched and he may have to start, there are cup games to consider as well, but without taking it to the nth degree and seeing he knows what Ismael is after, it has some logic to it.ย Quote
roversfan99 Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 6 minutes ago, M_B said: There are plenty, cheap, experienced midfielders knocking around, you'd think Ismael would know one or two. Therefore, it would seem logical he's happy with the signing.ย Not that it makes it automatically a wise move if Ismael wanted it. But why did we initially disclose that he had been released if he was totally happy? 1 minute ago, M_B said: ย No I wouldn't be happy, I said first or second replacement. Obviously we might get stretched and he may have to start, there are cup games to consider as well, but without taking it to the nth degree and seeing he knows what Ismael is after, it has some logic to it.ย There is the problem. Our squad players obviously won't be as good as the first 11, but having to downgrade so much when a replacement comes in, that lack of depth has commonly hindered us post Xmas. Quote
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