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1 hour ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Sheffield Weds have to be nailed on for relegation. No idea how strong the other two promoted L1 sides are - Wrexham will stay up.ย 

Birmingham will be at the upper end of the table. They had a championship quality squad last season with a ยฃ15m striker to boot!ย 

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Posted

Iโ€™m quite happy with the Tavares signing. Good age and has played in England for the majority of his life so knows the English leagues. Not played many games as a pro but hopefully he just needs to push on. Stature wise he looks a perfect championship midfielder.ย 

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Posted
1 minute ago, Norbert Rassragr said:

Which of Travis or Tronstad is going now Tavares has signed? We know we don't do squad depth.

Would love to try a midfield trio of the three Ts but do think Travis gone is more than likely a done dealย 

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It will be interesting to see if there is a piece with a Portugese journalist in the Telegraph to give us more detail about what we are getting.

It was Tavares' first full season from what I can see of his senior career and he only started 15 and completed 2 games which is a bit surprising as a central midfielder. Ability aside, it would surely be a big ask to expect him to play week in week out in the Championship all of a sudden.

It has the feel of a project signing, they both do. Tavares has played very little senior football really and couldnt maintain a regular spot, and De Neve often played at full back and it seemingly was a bit of a surprise that we signed him.

Hopefully they will be accompanied by more proven players and we have seen some attributes that suit what we want to do and allow then to really kick on.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

ย Being touted for a price and actually sold for a price are two different things entirely. Cantwell went for less than 2million and this fella has over 30million worth of transfer fees paid for him

he will play in a top division and his wages letโ€™s not even get started on thoseย 

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The point was values can deteriorate rapidly, and there have been plenty others. I just used an easy to understand Rovers example. Another one might be Rodwell, had about 25 mill of fees he had moved for, probably equivalent to 50 mill now. Came here for free, and not because he had forced his club's hand but cos they didn't want him.

I already agreed this guy is out of our reach, I'm just saying his move last summer is considerably more relevant.

Posted
1 hour ago, OnionBalaji said:

Would love to try a midfield trio of the three Ts but do think Travis gone is more than likely a done dealย 

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The holy T-rinity.

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Ok, Iโ€™ll address the elephant in the roomโ€ฆ.weโ€™ve just spent (upto) ยฃ2m on a player!? Wow, was not expecting that!

I donโ€™t believe that itโ€™s because weโ€™re selling Travis either, not because I trust them, but because thatโ€™s not the way they / we work. We donโ€™t spend money that comes in (as shown by the Wharton, Szmodics sales). We certainly donโ€™t buy a player โ€˜in anticipationโ€™ of selling a player either.

Based on everything thatโ€™s been made public, my belief is that theyโ€™re pushing ahead with plans as per VIโ€™s wishes. Itโ€™s been documented that we were after a box to box number 8 and theyโ€™ve gone and got one.

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Posted

Relatively excited at the prospect of spending a reasonable amount of money on a player .. absolutely terrified of the thought that Travis now likely to be leaving

Posted
6 hours ago, bluebruce said:

The point was values can deteriorate rapidly, and there have been plenty others. I just used an easy to understand Rovers example. Another one might be Rodwell, had about 25 mill of fees he had moved for, probably equivalent to 50 mill now. Came here for free, and not because he had forced his club's hand but cos they didn't want him.

I already agreed this guy is out of our reach, I'm just saying his move last summer is considerably more relevant.

Rodwell was consistently injured played less than 50 games in 3 seasons (which was played out publicly) and was frozen out - granted he actually did well for us but itโ€™s not the same

Carmo signed for forest and they immediately sent him on loan how/why not sure but he went to a team in Europa league so if you deem that move more relevant itโ€™s still a million miles away from rovers statusย 

Posted
52 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Ok, Iโ€™ll address the elephant in the roomโ€ฆ.weโ€™ve just spent (upto) ยฃ2m on a player!? Wow, was not expecting that!

I donโ€™t believe that itโ€™s because weโ€™re selling Travis either, not because I trust them, but because thatโ€™s not the way they / we work. We donโ€™t spend money that comes in (as shown by the Wharton, Szmodics sales). We certainly donโ€™t buy a player โ€˜in anticipationโ€™ of selling a player either.

Based on everything thatโ€™s been made public, my belief is that theyโ€™re pushing ahead with plans as per VIโ€™s wishes. Itโ€™s been documented that we were after a box to box number 8 and theyโ€™ve gone and got one.

I wish I shared your optimism but the writing is on the wallโ€ฆ.whether itโ€™s Dolans possible comp fee or the sale of Travis/tronstad I just donโ€™t see a world when it comes august 9th where we still have all the untied players along with new recruits. Bare in mind we still need 2/3 more

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Do you know what I was thinking about the other night..ย  The amount of players we've had with names that either match or rhyme..

Duff, Dunn

Henley, Hanley

Olsson, Olsson

Tavares, Travis

There's more, I remember there being a few in the academy- minds gone blank though,

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Posted
10 hours ago, JCRovers said:

There's a clear shift in terms of player profile that we're looking for now which I see as a positive.ย 

So far they seem to be buying players of a certain physical profile who have potential to improve. It is a high risk approach - coming from different leagues and countries where settling in is a bit of an unknown. Of course, there is no guarantee they will improveย  - and we will have to wait to see them play t judge whether they are already good enough for the Championship or not.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Carmo signed for forest and they immediately sent him on loan how/why not sure but he went to a team in Europa league so if you deem that move more relevant itโ€™s still a million miles away from rovers statusย 

Also, specifically sent to Forests sister club, where he was a regular starter.ย 

Would imagine the logic in that was to get him playing regularly and get his confidence back after a difficult period at Porto, with a view to integrating him into Forests squad this coming season, not to flog him to Rovers at a loss

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

I wish I shared your optimism but the writing is on the wallโ€ฆ.whether itโ€™s Dolans possible comp fee or the sale of Travis/tronstad I just donโ€™t see a world when it comes august 9th where we still have all the untied players along with new recruits. Bare in mind we still need 2/3 more

I will be pleasantly surprised if Travis stays - for me it is all about the fee now. Personally I would want ยฃ3m for him plus add ons (huge promotion add on).

Posted
1 minute ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

I will be pleasantly surprised if Travis stays - for me it is all about the fee now. Personally I would want ยฃ3m for him plus add ons (huge promotion add on).

Iโ€™m still holing out hope that its

buckley

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dolan

pears

but I fear its a biggy going. I genuinely believe Travis wants to stay but I donโ€™t see our board breaking their useless wage structureย 

Posted (edited)
34 minutes ago, DutchRover said:

The 2m must be heavily weighted in add-ons, can't imagine we have paid more than about 800k for the transfer, which itself would be spread across the 3 years.

Yep a deal 'up to 2 million' can mean any number of things and it's most likely it's a few hundred grand per year then a load of add on's IF he hits certain targets'

Still they've committed about 2 and a half million now over the next few years including the Belgium lad so that IS re-investment although we all still dream of a 5 million pound striker !

These lads wages will be low and i'm on the other side when it comes to how these are paid for we don't spend unless there's been some sales or room made on the wage bill so i fully expect by summers end the buys v outs will balance somehow.

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Posted

Early days yet in the window but just wondering from the business already done that there may be less reliance on the loans market this time round.?

3 permanent signings, certainly you could imagine that rather than giving Forshaw another 12 months

they could have considered a youngster on loan.

Maybe they have come to the conclusion that at the end of the day it's just wasted money ?

Certainly, apart from centre halves, the loan market hasn't been that great for us.

Tyler Morton, Leighton Clarkson, Andy Moran, ACD, Ayari, were all disappointing midfield signings.

As I say, but early yet but maybe a change of thinking ?ย 

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Its about time the club start doing this right get travis out the door as soon as possible for the best price now. Buy cheap prospects build up if possible over a few years as well as academy players sell in prime or for a good price rinse and repeat this is the club we are now

Posted
43 minutes ago, DutchRover said:

The 2m must be heavily weighted in add-ons, can't imagine we have paid more than about 800k for the transfer, which itself would be spread across the 3 years.

Stick a massive promotion add on in there then do everything you can to hamper promotion. A foreign team having a quick gander at our league finish last season could easily think a promotion bid is a possibility this season too I suppose....

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Tugayisgod said:

Ayariย 

I don't think Ayari was poor, just wasn't really used for some reason.

It's quite impressive he managed to breakthrough to the Brighton team the season after, certainly can't be based on his time here. Now valued at over 20M.....

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