2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[rigger]

3 minutes ago, Ossydave said:

I don't think Ayari was poor, just wasn't really used for some reason.

It's quite impressive he managed to breakthrough to the Brighton team the season after, certainly can't be based on his time here. Now valued at over 20M.....

If a loan player is not used, then in my opinion it is a poor loan. I am interested in what the Rovers get out of the loan, not what the player gets. 

[Hasta]

16 minutes ago, vinotherover said:

Its about time the club start doing this right get travis out the door as soon as possible for the best price now. Buy cheap prospects build up if possible over a few years as well as academy players sell in prime or for a good price rinse and repeat this is the club we are now

The problem with that is it needs highly competent people running the club and identifying players to pull this off.

Whilst you are waiting these "few years" for your academy players and cheap prospects to be 'built up', you need to not be shit enough to go down.

If we sold Brittain, Travis and let Dolan and Baath leave, and replaced them with people who needed a 'few years' then we would be worse as a team and probably go down.

Edited 7 hours ago by Hasta

[roversfan99]

Theres no way its close to £2m up front, the fee seems to have become a symptom of chinese whispers.

He cost £400k a year ago and wasnt a regular for his team. He started 15 games and finished 2 of those.

[vinotherover]

6 minutes ago, Hasta said:

The problem with that is it needs highly competent people running the club and identifying players to pull this off.

Whilst you are waiting these "few years" for your academy players and cheap prospects to be 'built up', you need to not be shit enough to go down.

If we sold Brittain, Travis and let Dolan and Baath leave, and replaced them with people who needed a 'few years' then we would be worse as a team and probably go down.

You have to start somewhere and if were honest we are a lower end of the championship team who has over acheived because of recruitment being decent also the players you are stating fit the model of sorts Brittain cheap sell high, travis academy sell high, dolan free should have been sold last summer or this for a fee, baath free so maybe it has begun?. It's always going to be a risk this model but with ffp we have no choice.

We can't be afraid to sell keep the lights on and then recruit hopefully if we are lucky with the players we get in they will be better than for example travis and next season we will be saying travis who?

[RoversClitheroe]

2 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Ok, I’ll address the elephant in the room….we’ve just spent (upto) £2m on a player!? Wow, was not expecting that!

I don’t believe that it’s because we’re selling Travis either, not because I trust them, but because that’s not the way they / we work. We don’t spend money that comes in (as shown by the Wharton, Szmodics sales). We certainly don’t buy a player ‘in anticipation’ of selling a player either.

Based on everything that’s been made public, my belief is that they’re pushing ahead with plans as per VI’s wishes. It’s been documented that we were after a box to box number 8 and they’ve gone and got one.

He absolutely isn't a box to box midfielder.

 

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

It will be interesting to see if there is a piece with a Portugese journalist in the Telegraph to give us more detail about what we are getting.

It was Tavares' first full season from what I can see of his senior career and he only started 15 and completed 2 games which is a bit surprising as a central midfielder. Ability aside, it would surely be a big ask to expect him to play week in week out in the Championship all of a sudden.

It has the feel of a project signing, they both do. Tavares has played very little senior football really and couldnt maintain a regular spot, and De Neve often played at full back and it seemingly was a bit of a surprise that we signed him.

Hopefully they will be accompanied by more proven players and we have seen some attributes that suit what we want to do and allow then to really kick on.

This is absolutely spot on

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Rodwell was consistently injured played less than 50 games in 3 seasons (which was played out publicly) and was frozen out - granted he actually did well for us but it’s not the same

Carmo signed for forest and they immediately sent him on loan how/why not sure but he went to a team in Europa league so if you deem that move more relevant it’s still a million miles away from rovers status 

You didn't read my post properly or you wouldn't have posted any of this. 

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

13 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Theres no way its close to £2m up front, the fee seems to have become a symptom of chinese whispers.

He cost £400k a year ago and wasnt a regular for his team. He started 15 games and finished 2 of those.

And according to wiki one career goal and one assist.  At 23, he's either becoming a late developer or he's just not that good...and he won't cost much more than £400k up front. Has to be heavily clause based/future profit to get anyway North of £800k 

This is clearly a data signing because nothing in his regular stats/game time/highlight reel  suggest to me he's the dynamic box to box midfielder we want.  

On the plus side, he adds height, doesn't take up a special permit place, knows the league and speaks the lingo so that part ticks the boxes. 

As a bit if a dinosaur when it comes to the data approach (give me the Brian Clough approach any day), I'll watch the lad with interest.  If he turns out to be a good find, I will stand corrected and hail the data!

 

[Gordon Ottershaw]

Is this our first Sid since Puddefoot?

[chaddyrovers]

12 hours ago, davulsukur said:

We're now carrying 7 centre mids

Travis

Tronstad 

Montgomery 

Buckley

Forshaw

Garrett

Tavares 

Fair to say that something has to give. Obviously it won't be Tavares, Forshaw or Montgomery.

Travis and Tronstad are the only 2 with any reasonable value.

I'd be surprised if we're not trying to shift Garrett and Buckley but its finding someone to take them.

Ismael towards end of the season, stop picking Buckley and JRC even for the bench in favour of Forshaw, so from that point onwards and from the style of play Ismael wants to play that both probably/most likely not part of his plans. 

He wants his centre midfielders to go box to box and quickly which doesn't suit of them.

Also both need to play regular first team football now and I don't see that here sadly. Fan of both. 

[chaddyrovers]

More people are obsess about the fee actually is then the quality of the player. 

Ismael wants pace, ability to get box to box quickly and younger players can do this. Ismael spoke about profiling the right players and what they bring. 

Nzonzi was a great find by Rovers and his team got relegated from Ligue 2 or Samba from Hertha Berlin B team. We tried it with Telalovic but it didn't work out but pleased he is doing so well over there. 

[RoversClitheroe]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

More people are obsess about the fee actually is then the quality of the player. 

Ismael wants pace, ability to get box to box quickly and younger players can do this. Ismael spoke about profiling the right players and what they bring. 

Nzonzi was a great find by Rovers and his team got relegated from Ligue 2 or Samba from Hertha Berlin B team. We tried it with Telalovic but it didn't work out but pleased he is doing so well over there. 

Nzonzi is the opposite to this bloke?

What's the reason for the comparison? 

[roversfan99]

15 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

More people are obsess about the fee actually is then the quality of the player. 

Ismael wants pace, ability to get box to box quickly and younger players can do this. Ismael spoke about profiling the right players and what they bring. 

Nzonzi was a great find by Rovers and his team got relegated from Ligue 2 or Samba from Hertha Berlin B team. We tried it with Telalovic but it didn't work out but pleased he is doing so well over there. 

Its hard to know much about the quality player either way so I am not sure what you are expecting people to say. He has very little senior experience to go off and that came in Portugal. And if there is an interview with any journalists over there, you will dismiss it as you "arent interested."

14 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Nzonzi is the opposite to this bloke?

What's the reason for the comparison? 

Have you seen the player before? 

Seems like Leicester had him in mind as a more attacking midfielder and in Portugal he seems to have played deeper. 

[RoversClitheroe]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Have you seen the player before? 

Seems like Leicester had him in mind as a more attacking midfielder and in Portugal he seems to have played deepe

Done a fair amount of research on him, not a tackler, not got too much strength on the ball, much more an attacking player.

Assume he sat deeper in Portugal due to tempo of the game.

He's 23 and played next to no minutes in his career

[TimmyJimmy]

Regarding the Trav/Tron situation, could this be the Venky/Gestede logic (I type that word whilst smiling).

They have 12 months of contract left:
- We have a history of letting contracts run down
- Gestede promised an exciting transfer window
- Val seems to have self convinced that a promotion push is on this year

Decision:
- keep Trav/Tron
- add speedy options (DDN) to the wings and extra strength to the midfield (Sid) [hopefully Vicious]
- HOPE for promotion
- decide to say to Trav/Tron at that time "here's a cheap contract, you either want to play in the Prem or you don't. Sign it."
- in the Prem they'd likely be squad players anyway as presumably (yes I know it's the Venkys) we'll buy higher quality in.

If that's their logic then they'll need a striker signing and another (or resigned) CB.

I'm leaving Brittan out of the above as I think he'll stay because of Val, plus he likes it here.

If we don't get promoted then Trav/Tron will be deemed the problem and they can go. We keep the 2 new lads and buy afresh and go again.

We're in Venky World so who the heck knows but there is at least SOME logic in it.

If renewed contracts aren't offered and we buy/loan a strong player for the other slots then plan completed. That's what I think will happen, no sale, no new improved contracts.

Personally I think that's as sensible and likely as the Underpants Gnomes strategy presented on the chalkboard as:

1. Collect underpants  
2. ???  
3. Profit

I can see Gestede's office wall now.

[chaddyrovers]

Gestede and Owen both there meeting him at the training ground

 

 

[chaddyrovers]

18 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Its hard to know much about the quality player either way so I am not sure what you are expecting people to say. He has very little senior experience to go off and that came in Portugal. And if there is an interview with any journalists over there, you will dismiss it as you "arent interested."

It's another unknown player to the fans but Rovers would have done their homework on him, video analysis, data analysis on him. 

Well be interesting to see what type of player he is, etc,.etc from pre season and Championship games 

[JHRover]

41 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

More people are obsess about the fee actually is then the quality of the player. 

You are the one who will use this signing as 'evidence' of us investing and spending on the squad and relying on the online reported fee for this.

It's blatantly obvious that we aren't spending £2 million or anywhere near the that on this guy yet they've already succeeded in convincing some that we are throwing money around. 

[DackDackGoose]

Buckley on way out? Garrett too assuming. jrc needed as right back cover..

Someone who can carry ball/be more creative in cm is very needed in certain games for us, trav and tronstad can be a bit of a negative pairing. Whether this guy can do it well enough is to be seen. 

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New merch Classic Blue? A sign of the anniversary shirt perhaps

[Hasta]

2 hours ago, vinotherover said:

You have to start somewhere and if were honest we are a lower end of the championship team who has over acheived because of recruitment being decent also the players you are stating fit the model of sorts Brittain cheap sell high, travis academy sell high, dolan free should have been sold last summer or this for a fee, baath free so maybe it has begun?. It's always going to be a risk this model but with ffp we have no choice.

We can't be afraid to sell keep the lights on and then recruit hopefully if we are lucky with the players we get in they will be better than for example travis and next season we will be saying travis who?

 I didn’t disagree until you mentioned FFP. We have plenty of room with FFP. We just have billionaire owners that won’t spend. 
 

Of course we need to sell assets and re-invest the money,  but the model will only work if you spend a significant portion of what you bring in on the right blend of players. You can’t fully rely on kids and the unproven.
 

You mention Baath, but that was quality experience. That has to be part of the plan.

You mention Brittain but he was a 24 year old with proven League experience who cost over a million. No problem with that.

If you blend those sort of players with kids and cheap prospects then the model has a chance. You are relying on holding your players to contract and selling for peak market value, and also recruiting the correct players in the categories above. That’s where you need the right DOF and scouting team. We cant get anyone tied to a contract atm, and the recruiting in January was woeful for the position we were in.

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Hasta

[davulsukur]

3 minutes ago, DackDackGoose said:

Buckley on way out? Garrett too assuming. jrc needed as right back cover..

Someone who can carry ball/be more creative in cm is very needed in certain games for us, trav and tronstad can be a bit of a negative pairing. Whether this guy can do it well enough is to be seen. 

From memory we were looking at a RB for cover/competition with Brittain. Should we land one, I think JRC is gone.

[Forever Blue]

1 hour ago, Gordon Ottershaw said:

Is this our first Sid since Puddefoot?

Gordon Cowan’s nickname is Sid.

[chaddyrovers]

2 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

From memory we were looking at a RB for cover/competition with Brittain. Should we land one, I think JRC is gone.

JRC ain't a right back either 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

37 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Done a fair amount of research on him, not a tackler, not got too much strength on the ball, much more an attacking player.

Assume he sat deeper in Portugal due to tempo of the game.

He's 23 and played next to no minutes in his career

Have you watched full games? Or just YouTube highlights or stats on paper? 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

1 hour ago, bluebruce said:

You didn't read my post properly or you wouldn't have posted any of this. 

‘A loan however might not be beyond the realms of possibility’ I’m arguing that for this particular player in question it would be way beyond the realms of possibility for rovers