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4 hours ago, RoverPedro said:

Not wanting to be one of those who knows a mate of a mate etc, but i will be

Dolan is currently on £2k a week. His agent let's say isnt exactly quiet on the issue in private groups

Got to remember he signed a new deal only 6 or so months after joining for 300 a week. He hasn't signed anything since. 

 

Personally would be offering 10/12k a week. His performances towards end of the season, whether putting himself out there for a move or not, he showed he can reach very good championship standards. 

You also know you are going to get 100% pretty much every single game. 

This is what iv'e been saying all along so i'm glad someone else has mentioned it, true or not.

Some have really odd takes on the wages this club is now paying they seem to assume everyone is on 10-20k a week and if someone rejects a contract offer or doesn't get one it's because they are a greedy so and so.

They really haven't been paying attention to what has been going on over the last 3 years that has led us to this point.

Even if he's on 5-7k a week Dolan has every right to ask for double that and i think he should be on a reasonable Championship salary it would be an investment. There is no way on earth at this club he went from £300 or so a week to 7-10k but it's ok football manager style estimates say he did 🤪

So if he was indeed offered a double his money deal 18 months ago and he said no then now we know why.

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Posted
21 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

That would give us 8 centre mids, you just can't keep that many players happy for 2 places.

If Blackburn is playing a 3-5-2 or a 4-3-3 you need at least 5, maybe 6. Not some players that can play midfield and 3 other positions. You have to have specialists. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Eddie said:

This messageboard sometimes confuses me. 

Most of the second half of last season:

'We don't have enough midfield options and injuries to Travis and Tronstad derailed our season'

This offseason

'We've already signed one extra CM, I don't understand why we would sign another unless either Travis or Tronstad are leaving.'

I have little faith our club to build out a complete squad, but we definitely need more central midfield options and I'd be delighted to see another one signed without anyone else leaving. 

It's not that people don't want good back-ups, it is a lack of faith in the owners/Suhail/Gestede to create a situation where we actually have the depth we need.

In an ideal world a sensible team would renew Trav and Tronstad, have De Keersmaecker as the 3rd 1st choice so to speak, Tavares as 4th option and I guess Forshaw as the 5th choice player-coach type.

But it is so against the evidence of Venky's entire reign that they would seek to achieve this.

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Posted
Just now, DutchRover said:

It's not that people don't want good back-ups, it is a lack of faith in the owners/Suhail/Gestede to create a situation where we actually have the depth we need.

In an ideal world a sensible team would renew Trav and Tronstad, have De Keersmaecker as the 3rd 1st choice so to speak, Tavares as 4th option and I guess Forshaw as the 5th choice player-coach type.

But it is so against the evidence of Venky's entire reign that they would seek to achieve this.

Yeah, I get that and mentioned it in my post. But we need a MUCH larger squad. We need strength in depth in virtually every position, and I will not complain about any signing that is made. 

1 hour ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Travis and Tronstad, are the reason we got into the playoffs.

Yes, and we dropped out of the playoff places when they got injured. There's a solid chance that they be injured or suspended for a decent percentage of the upcoming season. We need more cover in central midifeld. 

51 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

That would give us 8 centre mids, you just can't keep that many players happy for 2 places.

Who are these 8 that we would consider real first team players? And are you throwing someone like Buckley in? Who is typically played further up the pitch? 'CM' can be a pretty broad category, but I don't think we have many viable options for players who can sit in front of the back four, break up play, turn, and get the ball moving forward. 

 

Posted
5 hours ago, RoverPedro said:

Not wanting to be one of those who knows a mate of a mate etc, but i will be

Dolan is currently on £2k a week. His agent let's say isnt exactly quiet on the issue in private groups

Got to remember he signed a new deal only 6 or so months after joining for 300 a week. He hasn't signed anything since. 

 

Personally would be offering 10/12k a week. His performances towards end of the season, whether putting himself out there for a move or not, he showed he can reach very good championship standards. 

You also know you are going to get 100% pretty much every single game. 

Sad if true if Dolan currently has a salary of merely 2K / week given he's a regular starter. Contract situation should've been sorted long time ago as he quickly broke into first team since arriving and has been playing over 1 700 minutes in the Championship for the past four seasons (according to Transfermarkt). 

Like you said, a weekly salary of around 10K / week is more than reasonable given his current status which could've enabled us getting a relatively large fee this summer instead of (probably) having him leave on a free. Club is getting punished for being cheap.

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Posted
6 minutes ago, JCRovers said:

Sad if true if Dolan currently has a salary of merely 2K / week given he's a regular starter. Contract situation should've been sorted long time ago as he quickly broke into first team since arriving and has been playing over 1 700 minutes in the Championship for the past four seasons (according to Transfermarkt). 

Like you said, a weekly salary of around 10K / week is more than reasonable given his current status which could've enabled us getting a relatively large fee this summer instead of (probably) having him leave on a free. Club is getting punished for being cheap.

I'm not one to argue the clubs point of view, but if he's only on 2K a week then its entirely of his own doing. He could have demanded a contract on much more money 18 months ago, but clearly thinks leaving on a free is going to be better for him in the long run - and is probably right. 

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Posted
9 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Yeah, I get that and mentioned it in my post. But we need a MUCH larger squad. We need strength in depth in virtually every position, and I will not complain about any signing that is made. 

Yes, and we dropped out of the playoff places when they got injured. There's a solid chance that they be injured or suspended for a decent percentage of the upcoming season. We need more cover in central midifeld. 

Who are these 8 that we would consider real first team players? And are you throwing someone like Buckley in? Who is typically played further up the pitch? 'CM' can be a pretty broad category, but I don't think we have many viable options for players who can sit in front of the back four, break up play, turn, and get the ball moving forward. 

 

I wouldn't consider them all to be first team players but as it stands you'll have Travis, Tronstad, Tavares, Montgomery and Forshaw all classed as 1st team players by the club, and the extra one you wanted to sign gives you 6.

By Centre mid, I mean players who will play as one of the two, in a 4-2-3-1 formation which we usually play. Of course, Ismael might try and adopt a different formation for the coming season.

Buckley & Garrett probably being moved on but currently they are part of the pre-season squad.

Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, J*B said:

I'm not one to argue the clubs point of view, but if he's only on 2K a week then its entirely of his own doing. He could have demanded a contract on much more money 18 months ago, but clearly thinks leaving on a free is going to be better for him in the long run - and is probably right. 

Well all the indications are he did.

This has all the hallmarks and exactly the same pattern as with Lenihen and Nyambe and it's clear when our home raised players have become established first teamers the people running the show do not want to pay them a salary reflecting that.

Similar with Brereton, they papped on about the 'flex' big fee low wages because it was an investment sigining. Then they failed to renegotiate along the way to try and protect that investment so in the end he walks for nothing when he would certainly have commanded some sort of fee.

This is the central reason this keeps happening i think it's rather obvious.

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Posted
16 minutes ago, J*B said:

I'm not one to argue the clubs point of view, but if he's only on 2K a week then its entirely of his own doing. He could have demanded a contract on much more money 18 months ago, but clearly thinks leaving on a free is going to be better for him in the long run - and is probably right. 

There's always two sides of the story. I'm arguing that the club should have taken action already during the second year of his contract (season 2021-22) as he was quickly racking up plenty of minutes in the Championship by then. 18 months ago, you're suddenly talking about a player who's had more than three years of experience in the league and probably sees himself as a key figure at that point. Not surprising if he demanded 15-20 K/week by then to which the club would find excessive and walk away from. 

2K / week is not a competitive salary for a regular starter in the Championship if you as a club want to protect your 'assets'. 

 

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Posted
31 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

Well all the indications are he did.

This has all the hallmarks and exactly the same pattern as with Lenihen and Nyambe and it's clear when our home raised players have become established first teamers the people running the show do not want to pay them a salary reflecting that.

Similar with Brereton, they papped on about the 'flex' big fee low wages because it was an investment sigining. Then they failed to renegotiate along the way to try and protect that investment so in the end he walks for nothing when he would certainly have commanded some sort of fee.

This is the central reason this keeps happening i think it's rather obvious.

brereton was another footballing crime that venkys commited,in a long line of them,he should have been sold when he hit that purple patch and brighton were interested,it`s a miracle we are still in the championship,looking back at some of the decisions they`ve made in the 6/7 years

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Posted
19 hours ago, bluebruce said:

I don't know where you get this notion. Find me a single quote of him giving it the big I am?

He's said countless times he wants to play at the highest level, to a player in this country that's the premier league. Does anyone on here think Dolan is a premier league player?

Listen I'd prefer Dolan to stay, but none of us know what he's demanding. I doubt he'll ever amount to more than an average championship player though....

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Posted
20 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

I'm sure he will be able to 'point' out their problems. Telling other players what to do was always his chief skill.

If the IFAB allowed it, he would get a drone & float around about 20 meters above the center of the pitch & point from there.

The fun part would be when the mutiny comes & his squad tries to knock him out of the air.

Posted
2 hours ago, Rover1984 said:

Just seen Derby county just offered 2 year deal to Forsyth at 36. Be the oldest squad in the championship

Well inevitably that squad will become full of holes too 

Posted
13 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

barry bannan,even at his age,a class act and the dutch winger,musaba

Let's give them a home 

Posted
On 20/06/2025 at 00:31, rob_of_the_rovers said:

Not going to be particularly excited about Tavares, will have to wait and see. Started half the games in the Portuguese league which is pretty poor outside the top three. Let's hope he's been brought in to fill in the squad a bit rather than be a starter.

Tavares was sugned because when Travis leaves they can still sell letters for shirts for the new fellainstead of Travis' Tavares still uses T, R, A, V, and S so all can still be flogged.

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Posted (edited)

I think this is a Sheffield Rag however the things I'm picking up on are Trav and Tronstadt were in the preseason video of players returning but no footage of Callum, Ty, cantwell, Batth and Weimann.

Obviously can't read into it too much but a smidge of light for holding on to our midfield mainstays

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Posted
17 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

barry bannan,even at his age,a class act and the dutch winger,musaba

Bannan would play for Wednesday for free!

But here we have another owner, not "fit and proper", taking the piss out of a grand old club like Sheffield Wednesday.

VENKYS AND CHANSIRI OUT 

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Posted
On 19/06/2025 at 20:08, RevidgeBlue said:

Well I'm going to be negative, people are obviously  free to disagree and argue the other side of the coin.

The penny really dropped for me today with the Forshaw signing as to just how screwed we really are. Despite all the valiant attempts in certain quarters to depict this as the sensible addition of a bit of experience to the squad, in reality all we're probably seeing is the well worn scenario for us of having drawn a blank with our A, B, and C lists and ending up with something approaching the Z list. We didn't even want him a few weeks back, if we'd wanted him that badly we could have secured his services then.

Then when the young Belgian lad with a sketchy record in a poor League was signed, it was justified on the basis he had plenty of pace and this supposedly suited the blueprint that VI allegedly wants to follow of high pressing, high intensity football. Next one through the door .....Adam Forshaw. You'd laugh if you didn't want to cry.

The only common denominator these two have apart from probably not being good enough for the Championship is that they're also probably extremely cheap in the general scheme of things.

At this point I'm sure there'll be the usual chorus of "Let's see who we've signed by the end of the window!" but tbh I don't expect anything to improve significantly. Most Clubs tend to target their key players and get them in first and pad out their squad a bit later. We tend to get one or two squad fillers in on the general understanding that ""Don't worry, they haven't eaten up too much of the budget" and a sort of "jam tomorrow" promise that the key players in the positions we really need will arrive later in the window. 

Tomorrow rarely arrives and neither do the key players. Instead we usually see a bit more squad filling and window dressing round the edges bolstered by the last minute addition of Premier League loans which again tend to generally centre around who is still available at the last minute rather than whether they can adequately  fill the positions where we are in the most need.

I've expected the worst the last two or three seasons and imo we've only been kept afloat by happening on 2 exceptionally talented young Head Coaches who we've then managed to drive away. I've also repeatedly said that imo we're only one bad manager away from oblivion. Has to happen at some point without a complete change of approach.

Sadly Rev much if what you say is gonna happen.  This upcoming season WILL see us return to the 3rd division where we will linger for quite sometime.  Mid table mediocrity in the third, right up Venkies alley.  Until the time they end us forever.

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