150th Anniversary kit/celebrations

[Parsonblue]

5 hours ago, Upside Down said:

Also other contemporary sources of quite possibly the first ever game played at Church which states that the team wore blue and white quarters.

Could you let me have the primary source that states the colour of the shirts against Church?  Genuine question as I would love to read it.  None of the primary sources I have read mention the shirts so I'm fascinated with you've found and, as I say, would love to read it.

[Crimpshrine]

6 hours ago, Parsonblue said:

The minutes of the very first meeting of the club (9th November 1875) contained the following:

4. That the colours be : White jersey, blue and white skull cap, trousers optional.

      Proposed by H. Greenwood.

      Seconded by R. Higson.

The minutes of the meeting the following week (15th November 1875) contained the following:

1. That a Maltese cross be on the left breast in blue.

      Proposed by W. Baguley.

      Seconded by A. Constantine.

 

 

These look like proposed motions but no evidence that they were carried.

Trousers optional - I wonder if anyone decided not to bother ??

[Tom]

I think when it comes to club history Parsonblue is the go to source!

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Mike Jackman,Blackburn Rovers : The complete Record published 2009..

 " The choice of club colours also had its roots in the public School background which so many of its members shared. Both of the Hargreaves brothers and Doc Greenwood were old Malvernians,and it was decided to copy their quartered shirt design,but to replace the traditional green with Cambridge blue."

There is no reference in any of Mikes fantastic Books to this fictitious White Jersey.

Total Hearsay and nothing more imo.

 

Edited yesterday at 14:33 by SIMON GARNERS 194

[Parsonblue]

19 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

Mike Jackman,Blackburn Rovers : The complete Record published 2009..

 " The choice of club colours also had its roots in the public School background which so many of its members shared. Both of the Hargreaves brothers and Doc Greenwood were old Malvernians,and it was decided to copy their quartered shirt design,but to replace the traditional green with Cambridge blue."

There is no reference in any of Mikes fantastic Books to this fictitious White Jersey.

Total Hearsay and nothing more imo.

 

The minutes of the early meetings only came to light when someone showed me the 1909 programme which contained them.  I've never seen any reference to shirts during that first season apart from those contained in the minutes.  That's the beauty of history, it continues to evolve as more and more primary source material comes to light.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Totally agree Parsons about your point on the Beauty of History evolving but here's the rub,incorrect info can suddenly become gospel,Chinese Whispers and nothing more.

I am lucky enough to own a very rare copy of the Clubs official 'Grand Bizaare' Book dated 1895.This excerpt may be of interest to you,also note the year of our formation( I posted a thread about this a few years ago)...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 15:32 by SIMON GARNERS 194

[RevidgeBlue]

50 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

Mike Jackman,Blackburn Rovers : The complete Record published 2009..

 " The choice of club colours also had its roots in the public School background which so many of its members shared. Both of the Hargreaves brothers and Doc Greenwood were old Malvernians,and it was decided to copy their quartered shirt design,but to replace the traditional green with Cambridge blue."

There is no reference in any of Mikes fantastic Books to this fictitious White Jersey.

Total Hearsay and nothing more imo.

 

Whoops......

You need to have a word with this Mike Jackman fella Parson. 🙂

[RevidgeBlue]

52 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

Mike Jackman,Blackburn Rovers : The complete Record published 2009..

 " The choice of club colours also had its roots in the public School background which so many of its members shared. Both of the Hargreaves brothers and Doc Greenwood were old Malvernians,and it was decided to copy their quartered shirt design,but to replace the traditional green with Cambridge blue."

There is no reference in any of Mikes fantastic Books to this fictitious White Jersey.

Total Hearsay and nothing more imo.

 

What does it say in Harry Berry's book published in 1975? Anyone got a copy, I think mine may have got lost over the years.

[rigger]

It doesn't matter what it says in any book, to the people in charge at the club. They will go ahead with what they want, and to hell with what supporters want. I would suggest that if you don't like an item, then don't buy it.

Edited yesterday at 15:45 by rigger

[Salgados Hair]

1 hour ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

Totally agree Parsons about your point on the Beauty of History evolving but here's the rub,incorrect info can suddenly become gospel,Chinese Whispers and nothing more.

I am lucky enough to own a very rare copy of the Clubs official 'Grand Bizaare' Book dated 1895.This excerpt may be of interest to you,also note the year of our formation( I posted a thread about this a few years ago)...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think I have a copy of this somewhere too.  I didn't realize it was very rare. 

[Herbie6590]

3 hours ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

Totally agree Parsons about your point on the Beauty of History evolving but here's the rub,incorrect info can suddenly become gospel,Chinese Whispers and nothing more.

I am lucky enough to own a very rare copy of the Clubs official 'Grand Bizaare' Book dated 1895.This excerpt may be of interest to you,also note the year of our formation( I posted a thread about this a few years ago)...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re the year of formation…it’s worth buying the latest 4000 Holes fanzine tomorrow just to settle this…👀

 

[Parsonblue]

3 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Whoops......

You need to have a word with this Mike Jackman fella Parson. 🙂

See my point above Rev.  History evolves.

 

3 hours ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

Totally agree Parsons about your point on the Beauty of History evolving but here's the rub,incorrect info can suddenly become gospel,Chinese Whispers and nothing more.

I am lucky enough to own a very rare copy of the Clubs official 'Grand Bizaare' Book dated 1895.This excerpt may be of interest to you,also note the year of our formation( I posted a thread about this a few years ago)...

 

Thanks, I've read this book and its a very good work.  

As for the year - that's a whole other debate.  In the late 19 and early 20th Centuries it fluctuated between 1874 and 1875.  The debate finally ended - from the club's point of view - in 1924 when they stated 1875 was the date they recognized. 

In October 1924, the Blackburn Times began a weekly series of articles on the history of the club to celebrate its 50th Anniversary.  Those articles had 1874 as the date of founding.  After three weeks they included a footnote that the club would recognize 1875 as the date.

Charles Francis, who was involved with the articles in the Blackburn Times that quoted 1874 as the date,  was then asked the write the book to celebrate the 50th Anniversary and he in that book he went along with the club and stated the founding date was 1875.

It may be that informal talks took place in 1874 but the actual formation was in 1875.  Certainly, the minutes that I've referred to in earlier posts quote 1875.

The Blackburn Standard reported on the game between Rovers and Cob Wall in January 1876 and that quoted the 1875-76 season as being the first season for the club.

 

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

That's even more confusing!

The formation of any Club will be its initial foundation not its first recorded match.I've seen several other publications claim 1874.

 

Edited yesterday at 19:09 by SIMON GARNERS 194

[Salgados Hair]

I do indeed have the 1895 Bazaar. Looks like a distant relative of mine has annotated various bits. I think you can see the Maltese Cross a bit better here... 

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13 minutes ago, Salgados Hair said:

I do indeed have the 1895 Bazaar. Looks like a distant relative of mine has annotated various bits. I think you can see the Maltese Cross a bit better here... 

Fascinating book. What do thecsignings read I cantcmakectgem out. Also noticed someone altered the games W D L 

 

[Guy N. Cognito]

7 hours ago, Tom said:

I think when it comes to club history Parsonblue is the go to source!

Sounds like he was there for most of it!

[Salgados Hair]

@... Yeah, I don't know about the WDL sorry. The writing at the top, I think, is the FA Cup final team.. They lost to Old Etonians funnily enough! 

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13 minutes ago, Salgados Hair said:

@... Yeah, I don't know about the WDL sorry. The writing at the top, I think, is the FA Cup final team.. They lost to Old Etonians funnily enough! 

Yea which is why everyone is scratching our heads at the anniversary match up

[Upside Down]

12 hours ago, Salgados Hair said:

I do indeed have the 1895 Bazaar. Looks like a distant relative of mine has annotated various bits. I think you can see the Maltese Cross a bit better here... 

Note that only a couple of the players are wearing the Maltese Cross.

@Parsonblue I can't remember exactly where I saw that report, I could well be confusing two different reports as I read a whole bunch around the same time. I should have saved the page I saw it on. 

One thing for sure is that I've never seen anything to say that the team ever wore a plain white shirt. As has been mentioned, just because it was suggested in a meeting doesn't mean it was actually brought to fruition.

I do agree that the possibility of a football team being formed Christmas 1874 and playing a few matches before being properly organised as a club is the most likely scenario here. 

At the end of the day our blue and white 'quarters' (as they were referred to back then) are totally unique in world football. Why we wouldn't celebrate that on what is supposed to be the 150th anniversary season I don't know, but hey venkys/kentaro/whoever else has their fingers in the pie have decided to celebrate this occasion by deliberately relegating both the men's and women's teams.

[LeftWinger]

Just realised these bellends have owned us for 10% of our history. 

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8 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Just realised these bellends have owned us for 10% of our history.