Rovers's January transfer needs

[simongarnerisgod]

we need serious investment in january,all over the pitch,it`s plainly not going to happen,judging by previous windows

looking to me like the only teams worse than us are sheff wed,oxford and portsmouth,if we finish 4th bottom then val has done his job,you can`t do much else with a squad like ours

[chaddyrovers]

12 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Montgomery was constantly being bigged up in the summer, I don't rate him but thats what they were doing, hasnt started a game.

 

Why dont you rate him? Would does he have to do to improve

12 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Has any youngster started a game this season from the academy?

In the league or do cup games count?.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Where's the Money Honey?

[KentExile]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why dont you rate him? Would does he have to do to improve

In the league or do cup games count?.

no

[CaptainBeanfart]

If we're playing 3-5-2 then we need at least one centre back and another striker.

 

Get rid of Kargbo since he doesn't have a role in that layout, and probably one of Pickering/Ribeiro. 

 

Obviously every position needs an upgrade but that's where we are short. 

[Jimmy612]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

In the league or do cup games count?.

Haha, we went out of the cup in August, at the first hurdle. Montgomery was played out of position and had a nightmare, Michalski gifted them a goal and is 3rd choice anyway, and Tyjon huffed and puffed and hasn’t been seen since. Maybe we could consider Tavares as one of the U21s. He’s barely been seen since that game either. 

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy612 said:

Haha, we went out of the cup in August, at the first hurdle. Montgomery was played out of position and had a nightmare, Michalski gifted them a goal and is 3rd choice anyway, and Tyjon huffed and puffed and hasn’t been seen since. Maybe we could consider Tavares as one of the U21s. He’s barely been seen since that game either. 

Tavares!

I'd forgotten we'd signed him. £2m well spent.

[Jimmy612]

4 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Tavares!

I'd forgotten we'd signed him. £2m well spent.

I think we all know that £2m is a work of fiction. Maybe if we win the Premier League we might have to pay it. 

[RevidgeBlue]

3 minutes ago, Jimmy612 said:

I think we all know that £2m is a work of fiction. Maybe if we win the Premier League we might have to pay it. 

That's what the Club claimed we spent on him to make them look good so they can't have it both ways and say "actually it wasn't £2m it was only a cheap punt" when he bombs.

[roversfan99]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why dont you rate him? Would does he have to do to improve

In the league or do cup games count?.

Based on what we have seen, which isnt enough for me to say with any certainty, I dont think hes up to the level, by quite a bit. 

You dont count the cup games when defending Ismael's record so presumably they dont count here. Even if they do, graduates starting games is at best seldom happening and only in low priority games. Im not saying they should or shouldnt be playing, but Ismael has said that they purposefully didnt fill the full squad for that (stupid) reason.

My point was about the contradictory rubbish that the likes of Gestede and Ismael have come out with and keeping coming out with to try and defend the shambles of a summer.

[sharpysharps86]

With Carter and Wharton both out long term now, we definitely need a couple of new CB's at least, and a recall for O'Riordan on top of that to ensure we have enough cover for playing 3 CB's.

[joey_big_nose]

11 hours ago, CaptainBeanfart said:

If we're playing 3-5-2 then we need at least one centre back and another striker.

 

Get rid of Kargbo since he doesn't have a role in that layout, and probably one of Pickering/Ribeiro. 

 

Obviously every position needs an upgrade but that's where we are short. 

Not convinced by Kargbo but I think a quick forward in his style could work in this 352 up front. As you see with Ohashi alot of the forward play is about running the channels and combining with the wide players.

[Tugayisgod]

Still 9 games to play before the window opens (and probably more before we get deals over the line)

We are probably fine everywhere except of course defensively, I honestly don't know what we would do Miller or McLoughlin get injured or suspended. Same goes for Alebiosu. Can't think of the answer in the current squad for those places

[KentExile]

34 minutes ago, Tugayisgod said:

Still 9 games to play before the window opens (and probably more before we get deals over the line)

We are probably fine everywhere except of course defensively, I honestly don't know what we would do Miller or McLoughlin get injured or suspended. Same goes for Alebiosu. Can't think of the answer in the current squad for those places

If that happens, we will be chucking in Litherland/Atcheson at centre back or Houghton at right wing back (or moving Gardner-Hickman/Montgomery there)

Terrifyingly thread bare 

[chaddyrovers]

We deffo need a back up for Alebiosu in the next window

[davulsukur]

By switching to a back 3, we've now shot ourselves in the foot with the summer business, quite spectacularly.

We need another centre back, although huge credit to Pratt for last night. Huge question marks over the long term fitness of Wharton and Carter, although Wharton did sign a new deal recently, so he's going no where.

We need a commanding centre mid, who can really impose himself on the game in the middle of the park. Tronstad was excellent last night and Montgomery played his part too but oddly, he drifted to the left hand side a lot. Not sure if that was tactical or just the player. Neither are the commanding midfielder we need though.

Wingbacks need a serious look, we've got 4 left wing backs, Hedges, De Neve, Riberio and Picks and only Alebiosu on the right. Crazily unbalanced. I suspect both Riberio and Pickering will be binned off in January.

Attacking midfield also presents a problem as we've now got Morishita, Henrikson and Cantwell vying for 1 place. The obvious candidate to depart would be Cantwell, based on his wages alone but he's captain and probably the better of the 3.

Kargbo now doesn't really have a role, likey used as a striker when back but not sure if he even is one or indeed anywhere near good enough. Jury is well and truly out on the lad.

After a crazy amount of recruitment in the summer, we now find ourselves needing a reasonable overhaul of players again across the next 2 windows.

Edited 9 hours ago by davulsukur

[roversfan99]

3 hours ago, Tugayisgod said:

Still 9 games to play before the window opens (and probably more before we get deals over the line)

We are probably fine everywhere except of course defensively, I honestly don't know what we would do Miller or McLoughlin get injured or suspended. Same goes for Alebiosu. Can't think of the answer in the current squad for those places

We need more than just defenders. You look at the bench and how weak it was last night.

Gudjohnsen and Ohashi seem to benefit from the current system (as do a few others) but there is absolutely no credible alternative to the pair of them. If we are sticking to the current system then we badly need most likely 2 more forwards.

[Exiled_Rover]

2 hours ago, davulsukur said:

By switching to a back 3, we've now shot ourselves in the foot with the summer business, quite spectacularly.

We need another centre back, although huge credit to Pratt for last night. Huge question marks over the long term fitness of Wharton and Carter, although Wharton did sign a new deal recently, so he's going no where.

We need a commanding centre mid, who can really impose himself on the game in the middle of the park. Tronstad was excellent last night and Montgomery played his part too but oddly, he drifted to the left hand side a lot. Not sure if that was tactical or just the player. Neither are the commanding midfielder we need though.

Wingbacks need a serious look, we've got 4 left wing backs, Hedges, De Neve, Riberio and Picks and only Alebiosu on the right. Crazily unbalanced. I suspect both Riberio and Pickering will be binned off in January.

Attacking midfield also presents a problem as we've now got Morishita, Henrikson and Cantwell vying for 1 place. The obvious candidate to depart would be Cantwell, based on his wages alone but he's captain and probably the better of the 3.

Kargbo now doesn't really have a role, likey used as a striker when back but not sure if he even is one or indeed anywhere near good enough. Jury is well and truly out on the lad.

After a crazy amount of recruitment in the summer, we now find ourselves needing a reasonable overhaul of players again across the next 2 windows.

We're mainly short at CB (due to injuries - albeit you always want at least 5 CBs on your books) and RWB.

Pickering and Ribeiro aren't WBs, they've both been left out to dry in this formation. Likewise, we have nobody to back up Alebiosu at RWB.

I think CM will sort itself out - if Baradji can actually tackle that is. 

[simongarnerisgod]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

We deffo need a back up for Alebiosu in the next window

we`ve let duru to go and play in the sunshine,no idea what that idea is about

[chaddyrovers]

5 hours ago, davulsukur said:

By switching to a back 3, we've now shot ourselves in the foot with the summer business, quite spectacularly.

We need another centre back, although huge credit to Pratt for last night. Huge question marks over the long term fitness of Wharton and Carter, although Wharton did sign a new deal recently, so he's going no where.

We need a commanding centre mid, who can really impose himself on the game in the middle of the park. Tronstad was excellent last night and Montgomery played his part too but oddly, he drifted to the left hand side a lot. Not sure if that was tactical or just the player. Neither are the commanding midfielder we need though.

Wingbacks need a serious look, we've got 4 left wing backs, Hedges, De Neve, Riberio and Picks and only Alebiosu on the right. Crazily unbalanced. I suspect both Riberio and Pickering will be binned off in January.

Attacking midfield also presents a problem as we've now got Morishita, Henrikson and Cantwell vying for 1 place. The obvious candidate to depart would be Cantwell, based on his wages alone but he's captain and probably the better of the 3.

Kargbo now doesn't really have a role, likey used as a striker when back but not sure if he even is one or indeed anywhere near good enough. Jury is well and truly out on the lad.

After a crazy amount of recruitment in the summer, we now find ourselves needing a reasonable overhaul of players again across the next 2 windows.

Ismael has said that players were signed to play 4-2-3-1 formation in the summer, but results meant Ismael switch formation in order to pick up results and we are now winning games. 

The squad does need to re-justify in order to have another centre back option, back up for Alebiosu, and at least 1 more striker in the January. Players like Pickering and Ribeiro will probably leave either in the January window or next summer due to not playing and we aren't playing with left back. Gueye will leave due to not playing and Ismael not rating him

4 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

We need more than just defenders. You look at the bench and how weak it was last night.

Gudjohnsen and Ohashi seem to benefit from the current system (as do a few others) but there is absolutely no credible alternative to the pair of them. If we are sticking to the current system then we badly need most likely 2 more forwards.

We can't be signing 7 or 8 new players in January like you might want. We need to add 2 or 3 quality players in January that can help the team quickly. Priority should be right footed centre back, back up for Alebiosu and another striker? do you agree? 

[roversfan99]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Ismael has said that players were signed to play 4-2-3-1 formation in the summer, but results meant Ismael switch formation in order to pick up results and we are now winning games. 

The squad does need to re-justify in order to have another centre back option, back up for Alebiosu, and at least 1 more striker in the January. Players like Pickering and Ribeiro will probably leave either in the January window or next summer due to not playing and we aren't playing with left back. Gueye will leave due to not playing and Ismael not rating him

We can't be signing 7 or 8 new players in January like you might want. We need to add 2 or 3 quality players in January that can help the team quickly. Priority should be right footed centre back, back up for Alebiosu and another striker? do you agree? 

We wont add 2 or 3 quality players in January. We never do.

I think the change in formation being successful increases the number of players that we need. 2 centre backs, 2 forwards and right wing back cover. No idea where 7 or 8 came from. A number of Gestede's crap in Gueye, Henriksson, Kargbo and Tavares can all leave for me. Pickering and Ribeiro also become surplus to requirements, although I'd keep the former in case we ever want to go back to a back 4 occasionally, he can also provide extra centre back cover but it seems hes the next on the cull list for earning normal wages.

 

[chaddyrovers]

12 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

We wont add 2 or 3 quality players in January. We never do.

We added quality but not used it like Ayari who is now a PL regular with Brighton or last January when we signed Ribeiro or Sanderson.

 

12 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I think the change in formation being successful increases the number of players that we need. 2 centre backs, 2 forwards and right wing back cover. No idea where 7 or 8 came from. A number of Gestede's crap in Gueye, Henriksson, Kargbo and Tavares can all leave for me. Pickering and Ribeiro also become surplus to requirements, although I'd keep the former in case we ever want to go back to a back 4 occasionally, he can also provide extra centre back cover but it seems hes the next on the cull list for earning normal wages.

you aren't going to do a mini overhaul in the January like you want. 

Why not give players like Henriksson and Tavares a full season and review next summer, granted not every signing will be successful but give them a proper chance. 

Yes I would move Gueye on cos he isn't suited to how we play and Kargbo can be 1 off the 4 strikers for me. Look to bring in another striker but how many quality strikers are out there cos most Championship are looking for them. Will it be look at league 1 striker who can step up or look overseas for one. 

on the centre back problem. Carter's injury problems are a massive problem for Ismael and the club, cos he can't stay fit sadly. Good player on his day. So we deffo need on centre back in this window and next summer, Connor O'Riordan can step up and replace Carter in the squad. 

the 7 came from, you would need to replace Henriksson and Taveras plus your 5 

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

We added quality but not used it like Ayari who is now a PL regular with Brighton or last January when we signed Ribeiro or Sanderson.

 

you aren't going to do a mini overhaul in the January like you want. 

Why not give players like Henriksson and Tavares a full season and review next summer, granted not every signing will be successful but give them a proper chance. 

Yes I would move Gueye on cos he isn't suited to how we play and Kargbo can be 1 off the 4 strikers for me. Look to bring in another striker but how many quality strikers are out there cos most Championship are looking for them. Will it be look at league 1 striker who can step up or look overseas for one. 

on the centre back problem. Carter's injury problems are a massive problem for Ismael and the club, cos he can't stay fit sadly. Good player on his day. So we deffo need on centre back in this window and next summer, Connor O'Riordan can step up and replace Carter in the squad. 

the 7 came from, you would need to replace Henriksson and Taveras plus your 5 

If you think that those named signings prove that we do add quality in January then again, I think we have different standards. Ayari was not the player he is now, Sanderson was just back up who barely played and Ribeiro is bang average. None of them improved us particularly.

Kargbo as a striker? What a frightening thought. Those behind the goal should be prepared to duck for cover (if his hamstrings dont go again).

We needed a centre back regardless, not a young lad back from loan, we didnt replace selling our best one.  Playing 3, I think we need 2, if the second is O'Riordan then fine, but we need a first choice one to slot straight in. 

I am assuming that we are making the decision to build a squad around playing the formation we are at the moment. Therefore, we need a couple more strikers as you need 4 to compete for 2 places. 

Because of the change in formation, some of those players dont need directly replacing, but no one will want them anyway so they will be stuck here. The 2 left backs are no longer needed in our formation. A (really poor) winger in Kargbo is no longer needed in our formation. Henriksson is behind Cantwell and Morishita, and Tavares behind at least 5 midfielders. 

We wont get what we need, we never do, but I think that is what we need.