As was said earlier, TM's subs have an impact, a completely negative one. This is a real problem, and opposing managers will all have one thing to say to their teams, keep it 0-0 till 60 minutes and we will win.

Folk were in the main positive about today's team selection. We seemed to have held our own, they were down to 10 men. It seems Smallwood, and woeful substitutions (again), have done for us. I went to the Norwich game, first game I've been to this season. I was not impressed. Fitness seems a real problem, that and changes are down to the manager. He had a decent squad, and got us up. He appears ill equipped for life in this division.

But that's the issue. The Loons will see the demise, say they have given seven million for a striker that never scores, and go back to making millions from feathered slaughter. then forget about their baby for another twelve months. They obviously have an accounting genius in India.

I agree. After watching the Norwich game, today's debacle, and countless other capitulations, we will do well to finish above the bottom three.

We are now in a self fulfilling phophecy. Owners who haven't got a clue. Place their faith in whoever the latest bloke (Waggott) suggests, if it doesn't work, get someone else in cheap. It's the total lack of any direction from those that own us that kills us! If they actually spoke of their ambition.....but they can't, as I don't think they have any. In the words of the famous Accringtonian, they bumble along. We are a rudderless ship.

Whilst I can't stand Duffy after his conduct, he is the type of player we need.

Loons, anywhere after that is a bonus.

A shocker, TM has real problems in his tactics. Still ten points in advance of Bolton, but the team is in free fall at present. Fifty points seem a long way away.

Yes.

You can tell I'm bored watching Wolves v Liverpool, I'll commit to Toon in the FA Cup, and Villa away, which is way off , but I did the home game and my only friend can give me an update on their fortunes!

Like a certain man in history, he is under orders?

Do they have those binoculars behind the seat in front for two quid, that made it worse?

Chicken and egg, did the club choose the Category after the fixtures were announced, I presume so? So Waggott gets out his calculator after thinking with his attractive ST prices, he will have a few big pay days, but it hasn't happened. Surely the arrangements are fluid, as has been said, the club can alter arrangements for certain games, so why couldn't they make WBH £20 both clubs, all areas? 20,000 on minimum?

The offer tomorrow for me is good. I want to sit in the JW upper with my 18-year old. It's £28. WBH in the same seats, £53. Almost double. It's not attractive, and we won't be there, even if we beat Norwich and Leeds. Christmas is expensive enough. The club has missed a massive opportunity for a bumper gate on NY day.

I love a vocabulary spat!

I've never really liked Leeds as a team. Growing up in the late 60's, early 70's, Chelsea were always more glamorous. Rovers were in the Wilderness. Their "style" of football under Revie was at times brutal. A bit like their stadium and (without generalising) their horrible fans. I've been to Elland Road a number of times, and have always felt intimidated and unwanted, as we always seemed to be in that bleak corner. Ahead of our match against Norwich, and Leeds at Villa on Sunday, they currently sit top of the (Christmas) tree, with 45 points, whilst we are becalmed in mid-table, 14 points adrift, it won't be plain sailing.......okay, enough of the watery references. Head to head: Leeds were late developers, only really coming to life in 1919, the mighty Rovers having already won the FA Cup five times. However we haven't done that well against them. The full results (all competitions) are Rovers won 32, drawn 23, lost 44. The first competitive league game was the 25th October 1924, in which they triumphed at Ewood 3-2, the last at their place in the league was a 2-1 defeat on the 13th September 2016, where 19,009 saw Leeds win 2-1, Marvin Emnes scored - where is he now? We have current bragging rights though? Recent players in common: Robbo - he was alreet. Matteo Kilgallon Grayson Wilcox - legend! Batty - oh, you and Le Saux! Fowler - well he did play a few games for us. El Hadji Diouf - expectorate extraordinaire. Graham - please score. Achievements: FA Cup: Rovers 6, Leeds 1 League Cup 1 x 1 League 1 2 x 3 PL 1 x 0 Fairs Cup (Does anyone even care?) Populations: Leeds is apparently (behind Londinium and Brum) the third largest Metropolitan borough in the country, with an estimated current population of 750,000, as opposed to BwDBC at just under 150,000. So soak that up you arrogant Yorkies.....or Loiners, as the folk of the city are known. We are undoubtedly THE BEST TOWN TEAM IN ENGLAND! For such a large city, their ground holds 37,890, but is rarely full. They average just under 32,500 this season. Oh, and they charge too much to away fans, robbing basta*ds! Leeds, the facts: M&S sort of started there, we have one too, so what? Leeds purloined Real Madrid's strip in the 60's, our strip is far superior. The mouse trap, the Little Nipper, was invented there. What about animal rights? There are quite a lot of rats living behind my office in Blackburn though........ Keith Lemon......twat.....need I say more? Jelly tots......never liked them. The last flat cap manufacturer closed their doors in 2000. I never trust a driver in head wear........why, because you have a roof silly, although I accept open top cars might be exempt. Things in common: Since Jack......sh*t owners? The game: I applaud the Rovers who will pay the extortionate prices and attend regardless, probably worse for wear after Christmas Day. I will return on Saturday, as I've promised my son an early present (and it's £28 for both of us in the JW stand, take note Maggot?). I won't comment further as I leave that to others about the game itself. Just a general overview of the past. 23rd October 1993, my mother-in-law had just passed after a battle against cancer. The family were all massive Evertonians. I had a ticket, and they said go, as there was nothing else I could do, I did. Alan nearly beat them single handedly in front of over 37,000. Footy eh? Whilst no longer married, I will always thank them for their blessing! Whilst I sit and type this watching the League Cup, football is something that binds us all on this message board. We should all agree that the members of this forum, whilst not always in agreement, are first and foremost ROVERS through and through. May I wish you all a fantastic Christmas, and let's hope we have an exciting New Year and transfer window! WE ARE ROVERS!

I would have to read it.....if it came from the heart......I'm 55, so probably not in my lifetime!

Bit late IMO, but a pinch of humility, a soupcon of acknowledgment, a dash of information........no I'll always despise them. Read the Guardian article. They lied, and we have had years of misery and financial impropriety to mull over.

I have voted hostile - that would never be overtly physical, but they deserve a full barrage of verbals informing them of what they have put us through as fans. They seem completely oblivious to that. Well, completely oblivious to most things, save for the cash draining out of their bank account. Do they even know their own end game?

He didn't pay for a ticket?

He should well have his hands in his pockets, they must be deep. Smug yuck. I'm still not a fan of the family. nor will ever be.

Snowball season is almost upon us.

Long may it continue........at work today there are already plans from the few for a relegation "party" come May!

They (he) is brain dead, they bring 7,000, we take 1,000, if we are generous, madness, save for Steve informing Madam Clueless it was a bumper crowd at our gaff.

I was just looking back as I have only ever been to Newcastle once for a match, it was a bloody awful April night in 1981, just over 13,000 there, we were in an open end, and I remember getting drenched. We were attempting promotion under HK, but it was a drab 0-0 draw. I had to look it up, as it wasn't in my book of past Rovers dreams.