Bentley does his best to stay on his feet. Sometimes people should take the blinkers off when looking at their own club.

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The locals aren't very impressed with either Todd or Savage in their ratings here.

The problem isn't the money he's on or that he went to Chelsea to get more of it Eddie. The problem is that the prat wrote it for everyone to know in a book in a manner where he expected everyone to feel sorry for him for 'not getting what he's worth'.

Your second point is somewhat true in my eyes. I can't think of anyone else. However I also understand that it's a fact of life people will go places for money. It happens in most industries, it also happens in football. As for your first point everyone knew from the previous summer that he was letting his contract run down and wanted to move. It was Rovers who kept sending out signals that they thought they could get him to stay, not Neill or his agent. it's a good job we weren't on the end of Savage's exit when he left Brum to Rovers - now that was out of order.

If Lucas is booed and reviled by people now because he lied about his reasons for going to West Ham, how come he was getting booed whilst still playing for us when we didn't know where he was going to??? At the time we all thought it would be Liverpool.

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The title of this thread is now a bit misleading. No-one is calling for Hughes Out or questioning what an outstanding job he has done since he arrived. Some people are asking why we've gone from playing like outside bets for the top 4 to playing like stiffs in the space of 7 weeks. Hughes has to shoulder a lot of the responsibility for that.

Be interesting to watch his performances in the African Nation cup (which I presume will be on the box somewhere). Maybe we'll find out he's a tough tackling box to box inspirational playmaker who's being stiffled by our tactics. But I doubt it

We haven't any right and in the future we may well not do. That's why Rovers need to make the most of it now whilst we do have a very good team and squad. We can't afford to let seasons slip by and 'wait till next year'.

Taking penalties out of it, 3 goals in 19 Premier League games would suggest not this season. Even when we were playing well early season he struggled and didn't look the player of last year. Why?

We need a central midfielder without question. The fact hughes is letting Sav go tells me he MUST have one lined up with Mokoena being away and Dunn/Reid injury prone. Everything else thats wrong must be internal because everyone agrees our season start was superb. Whether it's unrest or something else I don't know. Obviously Savage and Roverts are unsettled. Has this been caused by Hughes sticking with out-of-form players in the starting eleven no matter what? Who knows. However it's Hughes job as 'manager' to 'manage' this problem. I don't feel we need £15 million investing to make us european contenders.

I agree, although I am confident Hughes knows this and will address issues in this transfer window.

Although if Tottenham still rate MGP in the £7 million bracket it should become priority. For what he's done this season then someone like Matt Taylor could fill his role. I'm not saying Taylor is improving the squad but he could do what Pedersen has done this season.

Looking at the statistics for the games they've both played so far and there 3 dart averages are as follow:- John Part R1 V Losper - 94.1 R2 V Sudjovic - 99.1 R3 V Roy - 91.3 R4 V Wade - 94.8 SF V Painter - 92.84 Kirk Shepherd R1 V Jenkins - 79.1 R2 V McGowan - 87.2 R3 V Bates - 85.9 R4 V Manley - 89.7 SF V Mardle - 88.8 Obviously the averages don't tell the full story. However Shepherd will probably need to lift his average higher than at any time so far in the tournament to beat Part. Certainly over 90. However it may be a case of when he needs to improve he does do. Should be a good final.

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Just backed Maney to win despite being 2-1 down. Hoping the young lad bottles it. Come on One Dart !!!! Edit - phew. 4-3 Time to lay back off I think.

Good call Abbs. Superb.

Not quite Cheltenham yet but I am getting excited about seeing the two greatest staying chasers of this generation run over the festive period. First Gold-Cup winning Kauto Star in the King George on Boxing Day. Then Denman in the Lexus chase on Friday. Denman has come along way since LDRover and I lost quite a bit on him nearly two years ago (see page 1 of thread) in what has been his only defeat. His win a few weeks ago in the Hennessy Gold Cup at Newbury off top weight in deteriorating soft ground was the best chase performances in a handicap I've ever witnessed. It would be great for the sport if they were both to win and turn up to face each other at Cheltenham in March.

Yes but his confidence hasnt been 'up' for a long while. Thinking about it Jan might have something with the miss against Chelsea at old Trafford. It's been down hill for Morten since. For most of the season I have defended him despite arguments against from my mates. The last two or three games I've watched him closely with them trying to point out what he's doing well. And it's not a lot. On Saturday at Wigan it was one of the worst displays ever. He couldn't control the ball (which he normally can), he couldnt pass to blue and white and he even once just ran the ball out of play with no-one near him. It may well be a confidence thing but at some point he's going to have to make way and sit it out. That may well harm his confidence more, but you can't have him spending the next 5 months doing very little on the hope that he 'might' find it again. He hasn't so far all season.

Not strong enough? Not fast enough? Doesnt get up or down? Not technically good enough? Nowhere near Premiership sandard? Step forward the 2007 model Morten Gamst Pedersen.

Thought not.

The vast number of Rovers fans who booed Carson and Barry tonight are complete numpties. Carson got put in for his first competitive appearance in Englands biggest pressure game since Portugal in the World Cup. Barry was one of the reasons England had a purple patch of form (three 3-0 wins) at the start of the season. Booing them was bandwagon jumping just because it's 'trendy'. If it was some of the players who have played every game including the key dissapointing ones (Gerrard, Joe Cole etc...) I 'might' understand. But tonight was just plain sad. Anyone care to name themselves and explain why. It certainly didnt put them off their game cos Carson hardly put a foot wrong and Barry played very well.

True. I wasn't convinced with Martin ONeill's press conference today. He ruled himself firmly out, then went on to spend quite a bit of time saying how he wasn't bitter at the FA for not giving it him last time and jokingly saying how he'd make a great manager. I also remember Randy Lerner saying at some point that he wouldnt stand in MON way if he wanted it.

Don't get too excited. Mourinho, Martin O Neill, Fat Sam all rule themselves out. Capello announces himself as desperate for it. His price is always going to shorten. I feel the market knows nothing as we are weeks away from the FA announcing they have a 'short list'.