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You don't get more Gary Bowyer than that.

This was also only last year - https://apnews.com/article/udinese-roma-score-serie-a-d7879e334f2a638a76692af0d8f32fb0. The remaining 18 minutes played 11 days later. You're right though, no chance of anything like that happening unfortunately, even though nobody could really argue with it.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/sep/19/maybe-im-the-way-i-am-because-i-lost-jeremy-espanyols-unexpected-englishman-tyrhys-dolan

We finished 7th in his only full season - nobody has done better in 13 years - and were 7th in mid-December of his second before a nightmare, er, 10 games just before he left. Scoring 52 and conceding 54 across a 46-game season also doesn't scream 'just trying to outscore the opposition regardless of their quality'. To be honest a lot of games that season involved very few clear chances for either team. We only had one period of doing that IMO, towards the start of his second season (before he left we were just a bad team full stop as he'd given up and we had Garrett, Moran, Telalovic etc starting).

These are the same players you'll be hating on in a couple of years when they leave for the same reasons as those this summer, by the way.

Woah, let's not rewrite history, he definitely didn't!

Amazed at any Dennis suggestions. It's been almost four years - late 2021 - since he had that really good run of form for Watford in the PL. He's done nothing since and there's a reason he's without a club at 27. He didn't look like he wanted to be here when we were (sort of) going for the play offs so god knows what he'd be like if we're going to be down the bottom as expected.

We've spent a lot of the last four seasons sat in the top six. Yes we've never got over the line but I attribute that more to the January sabotages, four different managers too across those seasons. Those players (and are they expensive?) have shown that they're good enough to spend long periods of time near the top of the league. At the end of last season I don't recall many people saying that they want to rip up the team, get rid of proven, good Championship players and replace them with unknowns - some of which will work and be decent signings, some won't.

A space that feels even more connected to the club.....didn't they get rid of all the Rovers things on the walls in there? A bit like the murals on the corners of the JW and Darwen End. Could never get my head around them doing that.

He also called the coalition statement the other week 'a load of nonsense' on Twitter, so yeah.....says it all really.

Sounds like the sort of thing Jason Lowe would have been praised for back in the day.

I had a quick look at their line up and pretty much all of their better players were on the bench - they're playing Forest tomorrow and United on Saturday.

If he does go there, he'll have gone from a Championship side who'll never get promoted under the current ownership to a team in La Liga. Sounds ambitious enough to me. Will he be getting paid more than the pittance he was on here? Of course. But he said he wanted to test himself at a higher level and he'll be doing it straight away. Good luck Ty.

The senior training centre one is just as bad, possibly even worse. Really poor stuff.