Well I was feeling pretty fed up after watching that, so glad I came on here to cheer myself up ?

Just looked at buying online and you can only purchase in Block L (as suggested by Den). They seem to be selling row 4 at the moment. I'm assuming they sell from the front to the back? I don't want to sit that low down, so I'm hanging on a bit before ordering mine.

Mowbray has a record for getting a team promoted from the Championship to the Premier League.

I like that team and set up. Sadly I think we've as much chance as seeing Shearer and Sutton starting tonight as we have of seeing that team.

I genuinely thought I was having a problem with my eyes when I watched the highlights this morning.

While no-one without insider knowledge can say for certain, I'm as confident as I can be that this isn't the case. The deal will become permanent in January. As regards to Rovers being able to cancel it if he gets seriously injured - I very much doubt that is the case as well. I can't see Forest agreeing to that. If he gets injured while he's here, it's our problem.

Ake 20m too. If you include their bench it'll be over 100m I reckon.

Their starting eleven was definitely over 60. Lerma 25, Ibe 15, Cook 7, Ming's 8 for starters off the top of my head.

He's too old and can't play three games in a week.

You are quite correct. But that was the best win under Venkys

We won 3-2 at Old Trafford under Kean. *Corrected

Did they get some 'Nearly Winners' medals? ?

Some people seem to be writing him off already - based on a very limited number of minutes, being not match fit and playing out wide. £6/7m may be a lot to Rovers these days - but in the grand scheme of things it's not a big fee in the modern era.

Think it's obvious from what we've seen so far that he's not a winger - although hard to judge until he's got a few matches under his belt in all fairness. The stats also show we play quite a lot of long balls and rely quite a bit on Danny Graham with his hold up play and knock downs - and if he's fit, Graham starts. So I wondered if a 4-3-1-2 would ever be an option. Raya Nyambe - Lenihan - Mulgrew - Bell Bennett - Evans - Reed Dack Brereton - Graham The full backs would have to provide the width - but there is plenty of protection from that midfield three if they get caught out of position. Dack is pretty much a free-role, and then Brereton can play upfront with Graham. There are also several players in that side who can play in different positions if you need to alter the formation during a game.

I went for Graham. Thought he was excellent personally with his hold up play, flick ons and knock downs. Saw a few people on the match thread suggest he was poor. Think they need to have a quiet word with themselves.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/very-mixed-team-news-aston-15149625 The Birmingham Mail reporting 'Very Mixed Team News' for Rovers. Very mixed news. That's like being offered the opportunity to spend the night with any two women of your choice, but having the excitement dampened by the fact you've run out of Vimto.

What slightly concerns me - is the jump in offer. I'm hoping they've not been encouraged that either the club would accept a significantly higher offer, or the players agent has suggested he is keen on the move.

How do you know we'll only start to pay in four months? There could be a chunk upfront as a loan fee. I'd ignore the wording as 'option to buy'. It's probably got to be worded in a certain way to get through the loophole of us technically signing him after the transfer window has shut. It's probably just been advised that 'option to buy' is the best way of wording the deal within the rules.

I think Sam Johnstone has wanted to leave Manchester United for years - but they've only allowed him out on loan purely for the fact he counted towards their homegrown quota. It's only this summer he finally got to leave permanently.

You shouldn't be forgetting Jeff Kenna. Or Berg. I remember in 95/96 and you were only allowed about 4 foreign players in your Champions League match day squad - and Colin Hendry and Kevin Gallacher were classed as foreigners in those days.

A fair point. However, I do also think that the fact we have a number of players pushing for places in the first team that have come through the youth ranks also builds the bond between supporters and the players as a group. The likes of Raya, Nyambe, Lenihan, Travis etc.

Yeah I think Williams father was an American in the army stationed in Germany and his mother was Irish.

And interestingly enough Williams was born in Germany and the Canadian was born in Switzerland.

But you hear of it far more at football clubs with a large contingent of players from one country or who speak one language. There seems to be a real team spirit at the moment, and I think it helps having a mainly British group.

I think it is relevant. As I mentioned on another thread, Garry Flitcroft claimed that the best team spirit he ever played in was the 2000/01 squad - which was due to having a strong core of British players. You don't get your little groups of French/Portuguese/Spanish speaking players just forming little clicks. Nothing wrong with having foreign players - but I'd suggest a heavily British core of players helps the team spirit and reduces the chances of clicks forming.