If it was the likes of Rotherham etc "outbidding" us for the likes of Maddison I would be concerned, but there is no evidence what so ever that we are even interested in Maddison, just pure speculation and people on here trying to add 2 & 2 together.

I'm not sure it is in todays market. Even if he only just about hit double figures for us in each of the next couple of seasons, at his age and with his pure pace you could easily see us making three times that amount on him in 12/24 months.

Yeah, but Venkys. No way are we spending £3m on one player, if that was the case I think we would have had the deal tied up by now.

I think if we start the season with Evans & Samuel still bumbling around in the team we'll be in trouble. I really hope we start the season with Travis in the midfield, honestly think he has something. Looks like we're in desperate need of some attacking players to me.

Thing is, we shouldn't really be scrapping around for loans at this stage of the window, we have another 6 weeks to worry about loans. The permanent window closes in around 3 weeks, they are the signings (if indeed there is any) that we should be looking to get over the line.

Mowbray is talking about agents like this is his first season in management, surely by now he knows the score on that front and should know how to deal with them?

The Brentford game on the August bank holiday weekend could be a good one to offer a ticket deal for.

Waggott reckons tonights attendance will end up being around 13k, with only 3.5k "official" sales from Liverpool at the moment. http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/16363040.rovers-season-ticket-update-as-liverpool-sales-top-10000/?ref=mr&lp=2

I'd say so, although I'd class 91-92 was a light blue when compared to what we usually have. I don't actually mind a light blue as it takes me to my childhood pretending to be Scott Sellars in the play ground, that sponser logo is horrible

I remember someone on here coming on and breaking the news about Craig Bellamy signing for us a few days before he joined, he hadn't been linked anywhere with us and it seemed really far fetched that we would land a player of that quality that summer, and everyone including me scoffed at it and told them they were talking nonsense. You do never know in this crazy game, you would think it can't really drag out too much longer one way or another so lets see, it would give us all a great boost.

I think you are forgetting that for the most part the quality of opposition will be a lot better than the likes of Rochdale, Fleetwood, Oxford etc. At the moment our squad is weaker than the one that finished last season, its fact, 20 goals have left the team. Of course you would say that. Considering on other threads i have seen you call some of the most passionate fans we have "idiots" from however many miles away you are, i'm not really sure your opinion counts.

I certainly sway that way at the moment because we have been here before. Would love to be proved wrong in three weeks but we'll see.

I know everyone has opinions, some will look for the biggest negatives possible, and some will believe every word said about having a healthy competitive budget. I personally dont think theres any money available for significent cash signings, talk of people like Armstrong & Maddison are far fetched to me. I could see Gallagher on loan, Chapman on a incentive deal and maybe another defender on loan. I have no doubts that we will start the season weaker than we ended last season.

Williams left sided CH, Bell left wing back.

That was my initial thought.

Nah, i think he's already confirmed it's a championship club, who weren't in the league last season, and he has ruled out Wigan. Leaves Rovers, Rotherham, Stoke, WBA & Swansea.

I don't think it's us in for him, I reckon it's WBA.

Yeah all through the 90's/early 00's the home kit lasted two seasons. From memory I think we have had a new home kit every season since 08/09? At least that announcement will stop everyone panicking thinking we'll be starting the season in skins.

We're not.

Probably write that one off then.

Dack and Mulgrew should be offered new deals next for me.

We didn't buy Davenport on the basis of our season ticket sales etc though did we? That is what Stuart is getting at.

I think Newcastle might give him a shot in pre season, they only have Gayle & Josulu as recognised forwards on there books I think. I really wouldn't get your hopes up about him coming here, I think some Championship team will panic and pay over the odds for him as the window comes to a close. Shame because a couple of good seasons in the second tier these days can see your value treble and even quadruple.

Haha, are we that desperate that we are taking the word of someone on Facebook?! I'm going to stick my neck out and say that neither Chapman or Armstrong will be here permanently come the end of the window.

No. For anyone interested the Liverpool game will be broadcast live on LFCTV if anyone can gst access to that channel.