It's all about what happens to the money once he's sold.... West Brom though ? Can understand them seeing him as a player who might help push them over the line to promotion if they are up there still and at 20 mill that would still be a shrewd buy. The player himself though would probably be better hanging fire but I do think the days of the likes of Spuds and Arsenal looking at types like him are gone.

Nobody in football is infallible so talk of 5/6 year contracts is daft you've got to keep the incentive going for both parties and the number of times this club has been stung i'm amazed anyone suggests it. What would've happened had we given Souness such a deal when he was doing good things then 12 months down the line if you wanted rid you'd be looking at monumental payouts or his wages on the books for years. Bit by bit is the way to go, same with the players and hopefully he is here for another 5 years as that would mean we are doing well but let him earn it as he goes along, if he wants to leave he'll leave.

Cracking manager, don't agree with all his over cooking the goose methods but he gets the job done and most importantly in this current climate he's a huge pair of safe hands. He'll probably leave one day all gaffers run their course unless he's allowed to implement his plans and they actually work to some degree. Wouldn't go down the road of handing out silly 3/4/5 year big deals but give the man an extension, 2 years with a rolling option or something like that. Bit of security with a bit of incentive too.

Bolton, Wigan, Preston regularly tip up whole ends to the away support yet unless i'm mistaken I don't see them jerking the kick off times around. Don't tell me the potential for trouble is any less with their fans and opposition than ours. I'm told Wigan had 4k at Preston on Sat but i'm not aware it was shifted. Leeds will fill the ends at Bolton and Wigan every time they go I bet yet do they get moved ? Matches like these should be aimed at getting as money home bods through the door as possible these are the games that get peoples juices flowing and potentially get that urge back.

Like you've mentioned many times JH i'd be more interested in them charging like for like at the top end first. When Bolton and Leeds pitch up it should be 30+ and 40+ respectively NO arguments. If they still bring big followings Rovers are quids in anyway and if it halves it you've got half the hassle, half the costs with less of the ground open, police, stewards etc and most importantly of all which never seems to factor at Ewood half the support for the bloody opposition. All that with the takings being the same in terms of tickets !!!! How much do these execs get paid to think outside the box just a little bit ????? About time they did !

That would empty the BBE and you'd have three thousand people running at the away end when we score. Leeds would be in it like a shot like back in the day... ? Be a good atmosphere under that low roof though !

Maybe time for the club to start targeting the non ST away support from big followings with some sort of incentive to get to a home game ? Wouldn't be thousands obviously but if it would encourage a few hundred it's a start, I bet around half the following at Bolton were non ST holders and plenty non regulars.

Keep this at 3pm and make it 20 quid all round then get 22k+ on and have a cup tie atmosphere and maximum home support for the boys in blue and white... or Move kick off to lunch alienating your home support that might not be able to make it, discourage potential walk ons and make it like a home game for Leeds because you know you'll get 6k+ at Cat A prices coming over from the big city. Embarrassing from the club really but fleece the easy targets and sod the rest is the order of the day, shame this used to be big crowds and belting atmospheres. Pity the local plod can't handle big crowds anymore .... Anyway we've lost one, won one so likely this'll be back to a draw but like a rare win at Bolton there's nothing sweeter than a win over these loudmouth plonker waving billy big times. Shove it up em Rovers Rovers 2 Leeds 1 18,565

Yep and just like boxing the promoters encourage them and give them exposure to wind each other up to the hilt in order to sell fights then act all shocked and disgusted when it all goes bananas. A lot of these guys are like angry pit bulls absolutely loaded with testosterone by the time they fight after all the training, abstinence and supplements ( legal or not) They are as you say fighting machines coming to fight to the bitter end in some cases so when they reprimand and fine these guys as they should they should also take a look at the promotion and promoters and reel them in as well from their percentages. No one wants to see handshakes and hugs all the time but there's a line and they all seem to be trying to outdo each other now outside the ring/cage more than they do in it.

Says it all when they have to run a poll to ask ?

Someone clued up on it on twitter claims Mcgregor threw the first punch at one of the other guys team which would be standard for him. Seems these lot really don't like each other but the foul mouthed little jerk seems to have bitten off more than he can chew in and out of the cage here. Karma and all that !

Wandering around Brockhall with a tape measure ?

Don't follow the UFC stuff and only became aware of McGregor because of the Mayweather farce but to wake up and see he was beaten gives me a warm glow.

You are quite wide of the mark by some distance on that Bolton comment although them and UTD did used to be a fair old rivalry as you'd expect, 'yonners' I think dyed in the wool Mancs used to call them. Bury ? I doubt that's anything much more than us with Bury - an old traditional football rivalry that's more or less been forgotten down the years although they probably had something bubbling along in the lower league years in the 80's but then again most local clubs did we just stayed a cut above ? Bury v Rochdale is the one over that way, Bolton v Wigan is an odd one, the A58 derby ..... hilarious !

I thought it went really well baring ten mins or so after we scored then he altered it and it almost turned to crap. Anyway job done in the end great win and even greater to win there but they are poor make no mistake although they don't lack sheer graft to be fair. A second half change about like that would've seen us lose to a slightly better side i'd wager. Plenty of bottle. spirit and good defending though today which was good to see they stopped a few certain goals today that would have crept in on another.

That's an attacking line up I think he's been reading the board again, go on Tony lad !!!! If it backfires WE must take the lions share of the blame i'm afraid ...... ?

We very rarely did that in league 1 despite having such a stronger squad than most if not all but one. Wigan on the other hand imposed themselves on teams and looked to over power them, some different types in their squad though so maybe that was easier to drill into them, that's why they won it. It's not the way of TM and his gang though, odd game aside he lets them off the leash then reels them back in. His methods proved to work last season so they'll probably work again in guiding us to a safe midtable finish this. It is a bit frustrating at times though as we can see a mile away this squad is better and looks happier when they get stuck in and play with a bit of freedom and intensity.

Yep the market is definitely there all this 'who else could we have got' is utter nonsense otherwise how the hell do other clubs with limited means prosper ? Who else could we have got via the channels that mostly seem to supply us may be more to the point. Dack for an initial fee of less than a million from a league 1 club. 7 mill for a 19 year old just because he's had a few games in a higher league etc, who may or may not cut the mustard. I know where i'd have been looking again this summer. Each to their own I hope it's part of a long term plan but we aren't thinking outside the box imo.

If Bolton, Preston, Wigan or any club of our similar ilk had made this signing when the first team badly needed investment he'd be under the same levels of scrutiny and provoke the same debates amongst fans. If he can't live with it ( I'd suggest he can ) then he's in the wrong job and someone's made a very bad judgement call. Yet again there seems some confusion between what's actually happening like with a few other players i'e he's being discussed on fans forums not howled at or booed in the ground and he won't be. For what it's worth I've got faith in TM so I think he'll come good although not sure it'll be 7 million good but he'll probably make a player of some sort. My biggest issue is how he's being handled and that in itself provokes the debates and questions, I think they should've had another more seasoned striker from somewhere so this lad could be eased in a few mins here and there a bit more under the radar for now. That might have happened had Samuels been fit but now we are down to this lad and Nuttall as back up strikers / utility strikers. We need / needed another proper goal scorer in the squad end of !

Last night won't have done him any favours then he had the perfect opportunity to do it and match Sheff U. Ironically although they controlled it we contained them first half, then....

Not sure on what his injury situation is like but someone like Wells would've been a decent signing as back up to Graham. Not really any chance of value increase at 28 but he would've carried more goal threat than Samuel or BB and probably contributed enough to justify a modest transfer fee. Then again he'd probably have been plonked on the wing so maybe not !

Forest hired an agent to try and sell him, we bought him for a possible 7 million after going in at 5 million. A lot of Forest fans were unhappy to see him go but plenty were happy taking 7 million for him as it would've been daft to turn it down. Many would have felt similar if good money in comparative terms had been offered for Gallagher, Derbyshire and even Mahonney when they were cameo kids in the first team at Ewood. This will run and run....

Leeds 'will take more' gang now asking for more home sections, considering they only sold half of it a few times I wonder were they've all suddenly come from. Can't be a bit of success on the park like any other club surely ? ? This should be 40 odd quid a ticket like they'll charge us, doubt so many would be so keen then.

Hmm tend to agree although there was the curious case of Gary Bowyer.... old before his time ? ?

He tweaked and rotated nearly every single game last season when often it didn't really call for it lol Now I agree I think it's time for one formation and selection to start at home and the standard tried and tested away. We are going to struggle against the better stronger sides like Sheff U this season that's a given but we've shown we can surprise a few away TMs key personnel and system when all fit and firing are ideal for away day smash and grabs in this league whilst other teams suss us out. We need to find the key to winning home games as drawing against standard teams and losing against good ones could prove fatal later in the season. Now's the time to be bold and take a few risks on your own patch and start with a vibrant team.