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Depends on your definition of success. A lot of managers probably wouldnt have done as well as JDT (for a period) or Eustace under the same conditions. Equally, as testing as VI'S conditions are, Im sure there are a lot of managers out there who could do a far better job.

I noticed the bookmakers have you at 2/1 which seems very generous, considering our woes. Nice to see you on here again BTW hope we give you a game. Are you going?

I suppose you can give him some credit for being honest and hope it remains that way, after what we have suffered in the past, especially the very first appointment, these owners made.

I don't agree but understand your point and respect your opinion, it's just not mine. You can't make a silk purse from a sows ear, to quote a golden oldie. With this ownership, these players and this board even King Kenny would struggle Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right ... We can change the name on the managers door (and have umpteen times in recent years) repeatedly but it has and will make no difference. I'm sure there are better managers out there today than VI but so what they too would fail under this joke of a club ownership. I'm cutting VI some slack. He says the right things, he's honest (IMO) and sounds like he genuinely wants success for the club so all power to his elbow. He's not going to succeed though, no one could.

Ow at Rovers, to add a bit of nuance to this “bang in form” comment… it's true we’ve had a good start and we’re high in the table but in terms of results we’re actually not really in good form. We’ve won one game in the last six, scoring two goals. It’s a bit of a paradox because we are playing with tempo and creating chances.. we battered Middlesbrough at their place in the second half the other day. We’re just nervy and profligate in front of goal. I’m a default pessimist (impossible not to be after our last eight seasons) but hopeful that this will be the game we put the chances away and come away with the result.

Ince for me. That notepad with ‘shoot’ written on it (whether real or not) just summed up the amateur hour with him there. Still don’t think he was worse than Coyle or Kean though.

I don't see him ever going, it's no longer about results on the pitch at the top, it's about getting along with a corrupt, under-qualified, overpaid board. He appears well in there.

Ismael has been sacked from 4 of the 11 clubs he's managed as far as I can make out. West Brom sacked him after winning 12 out of 31 matches. He's won 4 out of 12 with us. Time to go

Not many will be sticking around to watch that if we get beaten by Derby.

No way is he giving this gig up.

He's more likely to have re-signed.

I couldn't possibly say, I fancy going Ewood this year. This person could perhaps have same intials as the local paper that has recently been banned!

Every time I open this thread I expect to see he’s resigned.

If Lambert had been left to his own devices for 5 and a half years like Mowbray, I imagine we would have ended up in similar positions. For me Lambert can't be compared to Coyle at all.

Like anyone is going to be sticking around for that after Trav, Weimann, Batth, Eustace and co have just inflicted the ultimate humiliation on us. Better idea would be to do it the following Saturday on the international break wouldn't it?

Shearer, Faz, Sir Roger, Garner.

It all went down hill for him after he left rovers. He did a good job everywhere in English football. He had a poor record in Scotland with livingstone but he got Wycombe to the semi finals of the league Cup got them to the play offs. Did a good job at Colchester where he left to go to Norwich. Then the villa job as I said he did ok with no money. When he left rovers he became a journey man

Impossible to pick just 4 I'd say. Couldn't really differentiate between Crompton, Douglas, Clayton, Faz, Parkes, Garner, Shearer, Jack, Dalglish. Edit: playing wise if you had to pick just 4, guess it would be Crompton, Clayton, Douglas, Shearer.

Stoke looking strong and well drilled under Mark Robins this season, exactly as you'd expect really from his kind of team. Rovers will need to put in a similar performance to Ipswich and the first 89 mins or so against Birmingham. After the last two performances I am struggling to find any positives that point towards a home win. Think it will be another 1-2 defeat. Ohashi with the Rovers goal.

We'll have to agree to disagree about Lambert. I think he's been poor everywhere he's been except Norwich, never had any intention of staying here more than a few months, and was only brought in by Pasha as someone who (at the time) had gravitas to flog Rhodes and create the impression he knew what he was doing.

Id be surprised if much actual in the flesh scouting where someone with an experienced eye watches a potential target over a number of games takes place these days. The only one of the summer signings who passes the "eye test" is Alebiosu. He's looked decent since minute one of his first game and seems to be getting better. The rest not so much so - and that's being somewhat kind in certain cases.

Lambert was definitely not in that category. He got Norwich two consecutive promotions to the epl then did a decent job at villa under tough circumstances. Though I agree about coyle

Two separate things can be right at the same time. Few would agree with the second bit but that doesn't mean VI isn't also a very poor manager. I think he's terrible. One game and ten minutes of the next one to unravel all Eustace's good work. Eleven defeats from Twenty competitive fixtures. Arguably most important going forward, can anyone see what he's trying to implement on the pitch? You could maybe cut him a little slack if you could see any signs of a defined style of play or identity taking shape. Instead we were promised exciting high intensity pressing football and are getting the polar opposite. Needs replacing asap for me. Obviously doubtful whether he will be due to the length of contract etc but you'd have hoped a sensible Club would have inserted some sort of break clause somewhere along the way as insurance.

Preparing for the future then.

Probably the only way they could attract him if the wage was poor.