It isn't an obsession over under 21 caps it's a valid argument. If he was being seen as the best young player/best young midfielder in the country/outside the premier league he would have been making those squads no question. I can't understand what you don't get here...the under 21s is supposedly for the best of that age group Wharton didn't make one squad so quite clearly he wasn't being rated externally as he should have been. January or not if he was as rated as he should have been then more than Palace would have been in for him at that price.What was stopping all the big clubs taking him?

How is answering no directly to a yes or no question a cop out?

Without tenacity and hard graft his so called talent means nothing and hes never shown enough of any of it. Ability wise handy back up player but attitude wise he's an absolute liability constantly used as a sub. If he was truly any good as some think he is he'd have taken one of his numerous chances or been snapped up by someone else. If we'd paid money for this lad he'd have been branded a resounding flop before now but he gets away with it because he came through the ranks.

Jesus christ that's embarrassing. With all the money we have brought in. And right after getting compo for Eustace and Ismael for no compo. Pathetic. What if that extra coaching had got our shit together one game earlier and landed us in the playoffs? This club are the absolute masters of false economy.

i hope palace give them a game and don`t bottle it,eze and matete are a handful to anybody,so i hope they don`t give city to much respect

Wharton starts in the final!

Covers all the topics that the regime and the local media have done their best to avoid and the head-in-sand brigade pretend aren't there. Brilliant stuff again

JDT brought 2 guys in with him (Remy Reijnierse & Ben Rosen), Eustace also brought 2 (Matt Gardiner & Keith Downing), Ismael has so far only brought in 1 (Dean Whitehead). So stands to reason (which is always dangerous when it comes to Rovers these days) there is a space. It was rumoured he wanted Murray as part of his backroom team when he signed, but Venkys/Waggott/Pasha refused to sanction his pay off.,.. from Eastbourne in the National League South! Which I assume was about the price of a fish supper Sounds like Murray has worked his notice, so I am adding 1+ 1 together

Its really difficult to compare against other players as you are never comparing like for like. I still dont get this obsession about England under 21 caps. Its better looking at the variables internally to determine whether it was likely that we got a fair value. We was desperate so that massively weakens our negotiating power. We sold as early as we could so that limits his value. We sold in January where teams are far less likely to spend big. Common sense really.

Can't possibly have anymore space for another first team coach

Value and worth is only based on what the market says it is, is he twice as ‘good’? Course not, but alas assets of distressed sellers just aren’t worth as much.

Another brilliant video.

Wharton was the stand out young player in the Championship and in his first season we just missed out on the playoffs and he played very well too. Do you really think Huijsen is worth over twice as much?

Is he worth over twice as much?

Maybe back JDT and try and get in the PL ourselves then, then we’d have been getting 50 mil… oh silly me, we don’t have that kind of billionaire owners of a Championship football club

Hmmm, maybe you don’t sell to them then?

It depends who’s doing the recognising. Even as a kid at Rovers he was at a Tugay level of passing. That was pretty obvious.

who says that a club paying a higher fee would have agree 15% sell on?

That’s not what I called him, but how we could do with him now.

most likely luck more than judgement but i think we`de have been in oblivion if it had`nt been for last 3 decent managers (mowbray,jdt and eustace) not sure who picked them but all of them in their own way have saved us from a complete nosedive through the leagues imo it`s damning indicement of how generally badly the club is run as 2 of them have both walked away and the other one did`nt even get the sentiment of being offered a new deal,despite him being here for 5 years,whether ismael continues to keep us in the division i do not know,i suspect however he`ll do the same as his predecesors and walk away as well,anyone with any idea of progression is in the wrong job here

The problem is it’s the fans that missed out. Only seeing one of our own and a generational talent playing for the team he supports, for a very short time. Not only that, the lad didn’t want the move and had the courtesy to sign a contract, to ensure that the club got at least a half decent fee.

Imagine he will be at Rovers as a coach in a few weeks (Ismael connection from their time at Barnsley & West Brom)

The best 'deal' would have been to have backed our manager 12 months prior when the PL was achievable, and again the following summer, and again the following January, whilst Wharton was here. Had we done any of those things there's a decent chance we'd have got to the PL, kept Wharton and now be naming our price for him like Palace can. None of the above is far fetched or ludicrous stuff. It was there to be done and our owners flushed it down the toilet because they don't care. So I'm glad they've missed out on millions on Adam, it's the least they deserve for their behaviour.