Premier League

[arbitro]

10 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

I have sympathy for fans but this is why EFL and Sky tried to given fans plenty of notice of this fixture changes, This is why they brought this in.  

The PL and its teams doesn't need to play league games overseas given that The PL goes to America and the far east during pre season. 

Also given the revenue streams from the PL, other leagues don't generate that. 

Giving them a few weeks notice doesn't make it right - the logistics make it really difficult for travelling supporters. Millwall fans travelling by train to Preston could catch the 07.11 from Euston. Firstly they would have to travel across London which will be around an hour from Lewisham. It gets into Preston at 10.51. The earlier train is 06.08 which will mean them leaving home at around 5 am

I'm sure if you were a regular away match attendee and the changes had a direct effect on you you might think differently (at least I hope you would).

PS sorry for so much detail but I'm just trying to emphasise my point to Chaddy who doesn't seem to grasp the issues this causes for genuine supporters.

[Mattyblue]

Most Millwall fans live in the outer London boroughs these days (likes of Bromley) and into Kent, an absolute faff trying to get to Blackburn for half 12… still, just get a hotel ay.

Edited yesterday at 07:04 by Mattyblue

[wilsdenrover]

Do Sky publish individual viewing figures for all these extra matches?

If not, why not?

[roversfan99]

7 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yet you keep going on and on about week after week, month after month for 12 months now. What have done other than moaning on here? 

What other time could the games be play? Maybe 5.30pm and 8pm on Saturday then 12pm, 2.30pm 5pm and 7pm Sunday? Blimey if they did that you would complaining and moaning then? 

Fans have been plenty of notice of games being moved which they never had before. You planned your time, book hotel and book time of work. If I want to go to Saturday away game, I have to book a day off work, but do I complain or moan like you do, no cos it's my choice to work nights and want to that away game. 

 

Some people go to regular away games. Will they have to repeatedly go down the night before and get hotels and book time off? @arbitro highlights examples of the nightmare it can cause re public transport but you dont use it so you dont acknowledge it.

And what about even home fans who might have for example their kids playing football in the morning?

Ive told you my alternative and it isnt a series of different kick offs across the weekend. Its to revert back just to 1 game each Saturday 12.30. The viewing figures for the other 6 games must be very small because you can only watch 1 at once. Its not worth the inconvenience. 

Yes it means clubs getting less money, so less greed which only ends up in the hands of players, agents, directors etc anyway, clubs are still losing loads of money. It also gives Sky less chance to keep putting up their prices. 

Its not going to happen, football clubs, the EFL and Sky dont care about fans, but at least acknowledge that it causes massive inconveniences up and down the country for fans and is just greed going out of control.

[Upside Down]

Who needs to use public transport when your car can do 15,000 miles to the gallon? 

I'm looking forward to us discussing how you get to the 12:30 Birmingham away kick off by canoe again. That was interesting.

[oneandycrawford]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

And what about even home fans who might have for example their kids playing football in the morning?

That's a really good point. As a kid I used to play regularly on Saturday mornings. Then back home for dinner and then off to the match - or straight to an away match if that was do'able.

That would have been impossible with 12.30 kick-offs and might have meant I never got into the habit of regularly watching Rovers.

I ended up being a regular at Ewood for the next 30 years!

[Exiled_Rover]

13 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

7 games is on for exposure for the clubs and then that increase revenue for the EFL and the clubs for TV rights. Simple concept. 

You still going on and on about 12 months is remarkable. You still don't how it's works

What exposure?

That's a 7:30am kickoff on the East Coast and a 5:30am kickoff on the West Coast of the US.

We have new media darlings Wrexham and Birmingham in the league - both owned by Americans. Surely their new US fans won't want to wake up at that time to watch them?

[doctorryan]

12:30 PM GMT is 7:30 AM Eastern & 4:30 AM in the Western time zone.

Edited 20 hours ago by doctorryan

[speeeeeeedie]

1 hour ago, Exiled_Rover said:

What exposure?

That's a 7:30am kickoff on the East Coast and a 5:30am kickoff on the West Coast of the US.

We have new media darlings Wrexham and Birmingham in the league - both owned by Americans. Surely their new US fans won't want to wake up at that time to watch them?

You'd be surprised. Bars are regularly busy at 5am in Los Angeles for Prem games.

I don't know if Wrexham and Brum have the same pull as the big boys though. I've not met a new found Wrexham fan yet, but loads have people watched their documentary. Birmingham have even less exposure even with Tom Brady trying his best to publicise them.

[DeeCee]

5 hours ago, oneandycrawford said:

That's a really good point. As a kid I used to play regularly on Saturday mornings. Then back home for dinner and then off to the match - or straight to an away match if that was do'able.

That would have been impossible with 12.30 kick-offs and might have meant I never got into the habit of regularly watching Rovers.

I ended up being a regular at Ewood for the next 30 years!

Ha ha, you should have been like me and only good enough for Sunday League/Pub League, no problem to getting to Saturday lunch kick offs, except for Friday night beer.

Yes my name is Chaddy as well but I must stress I am No Relation 🤦‍♂️

[chaddyrovers]

12 hours ago, arbitro said:

Giving them a few weeks notice doesn't make it right - the logistics make it really difficult for travelling supporters. Millwall fans travelling by train to Preston could catch the 07.11 from Euston. Firstly they would have to travel across London which will be around an hour from Lewisham. It gets into Preston at 10.51. The earlier train is 06.08 which will mean them leaving home at around 5 am

I'm sure if you were a regular away match attendee and the changes had a direct effect on you you might think differently (at least I hope you would).

PS sorry for so much detail but I'm just trying to emphasise my point to Chaddy who doesn't seem to grasp the issues this causes for genuine supporters.

Genuine supporters? What does that he'll mean? Cos since Covid I've haven't done the amount of away games I did pre covid due to my work commitments and my missus having 2 serious and life threatening medical conditions..

So yes I fully understand what these changes but I also the role of TV within the football and fans have been plenty of notice. Millwall fans have a choice to make whether to attend or not

[chaddyrovers]

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Some people go to regular away games. Will they have to repeatedly go down the night before and get hotels and book time off? @arbitro highlights examples of the nightmare it can cause re public transport but you dont use it so you dont acknowledge it.

As did I pre Covid. Circumstances have changed for me as posted above. 

I fully the public transport argument thanks RF99. 

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

And what about even home fans who might have for example their kids playing football in the morning?

It's a fair point. 

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Ive told you my alternative and it isnt a series of different kick offs across the weekend. Its to revert back just to 1 game each Saturday 12.30. The viewing figures for the other 6 games must be very small because you can only watch 1 at once. Its not worth the inconvenience. 

Yes it means clubs getting less money, so less greed which only ends up in the hands of players, agents, directors etc anyway, clubs are still losing loads of money. It also gives Sky less chance to keep putting up their prices. 

Its not going to happen, football clubs, the EFL and Sky dont care about fans, but at least acknowledge that it causes massive inconveniences up and down the country for fans and is just greed going out of control.

Yet you missed the point. EFL and it's clubs wanted more revenue from TV rights so how do you that without more games on TV? 

Also you swerve this question, Yet you keep going on and on about week after week, month after month for 12 months now. What have done other than moaning on here? 

[Mattyblue]

Yes, all fans have a choice and as Millwall will bring about 300 their choice will have been not to come… but hey, there’s 7 games on the red button, so who cares about the two thirds empty ground.

[Upside Down]

24 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Genuine supporters? What does that he'll mean? Cos since Covid I've haven't done the amount of away games I did pre covid due to my work commitments and my missus having 2 serious and life threatening medical conditions..

So yes I fully understand what these changes but I also the role of TV within the football and fans have been plenty of notice. Millwall fans have a choice to make whether to attend or not

We all have a choice chaddy, we get that. 

What happens when the fans start making the choice not to attend because of the ridiculous levels of inconvenience placed upon them? Can you answer that?

[roversfan99]

34 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

As did I pre Covid. Circumstances have changed for me as posted above. 

I fully the public transport argument thanks RF99. 

It's a fair point. 

Yet you missed the point. EFL and it's clubs wanted more revenue from TV rights so how do you that without more games on TV? 

Also you swerve this question, Yet you keep going on and on about week after week, month after month for 12 months now. What have done other than moaning on here? 

Chaddy, everyone is obviously aware that Sky offer clubs more money to show more games. That isnt escaping people. Sky want more games to justify continuing to flog increasingly expensive subscriptions, clubs just want as much money as possible, which only then goes to ever increasing wages, all the while ticket prices go up in spite of these TV deals.

No one doesnt understand the above. But the above doesnt justify the disregard shown towards fans. 7 games all at that same time is a kick in the face to fans. And I would love to know the viewing figures on those extra 6 red button games.

What can anyone do other than moan? Your whole argument in trying and failing to justify it boils down to you thinking that people dont understand, which they do, or to just tell them to stop moaning.

Its all a build up, clubs, the EFL and Sky would all happily do anything to inconvenience fans if it led to more money.

[chaddyrovers]

5 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Chaddy, everyone is obviously aware that Sky offer clubs more money to show more games. That isnt escaping people. Sky want more games to justify continuing to flog increasingly expensive subscriptions, clubs just want as much money as possible, which only then goes to ever increasing wages, all the while ticket prices go up in spite of these TV deals.

No one doesnt understand the above. But the above doesnt justify the disregard shown towards fans. 7 games all at that same time is a kick in the face to fans. And I would love to know the viewing figures on those extra 6 red button games.

What can anyone do other than moan? Your whole argument in trying and failing to justify it boils down to you thinking that people dont understand, which they do, or to just tell them to stop moaning.

Its all a build up, clubs, the EFL and Sky would all happily do anything to inconvenience fans if it led to more money.

Is Sky Subscription really expensive at £30 a month? Given the amount of quality sports on there, well worth it. Maybe not for yourself but for other sporting fans. Its not about Football why we have our Sky sports Subscriptions. 

[jodrell]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Is Sky Subscription really expensive at £30 a month? Given the amount of quality sports on there, well worth it. Maybe not for yourself but for other sporting fans. Its not about Football why we have our Sky sports Subscriptions. 

I got told a few years ago a pub near me got done for illegal streaming that for business that subscription is based on the size of it. His was silly money then and couldn't make a profit and went out of business.

[K-Hod]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Is Sky Subscription really expensive at £30 a month? Given the amount of quality sports on there, well worth it. Maybe not for yourself but for other sporting fans. Its not about Football why we have our Sky sports Subscriptions. 

Yes, definitely. Especially when you don't get Sports with it at that price and people will want other subscriptions that are all £10 a month as well (Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney+, Discovery + etc).

[Mattyblue]

Obviously the bar/pub pricing is not cheap enough for Suhail’s liking.

[Upside Down]

I know that back when I was in the UK the commercial pricing for sky sports was obscenely expensive. 

That's why so many pubs had Norwegian coverage on.

But still, there's a difference between the Bowling Green and a multi million pound business supposedly owned by supposed billionaires.

[arbitro]

10 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Genuine supporters? What does that he'll mean? Cos since Covid I've haven't done the amount of away games I did pre covid due to my work commitments and my missus having 2 serious and life threatening medical conditions..

So yes I fully understand what these changes but I also the role of TV within the football and fans have been plenty of notice. Millwall fans have a choice to make whether to attend or not

Pre covid there weren't anything like the number of Friday night and Saturday lunch time kick offs.

You have very little empathy for anyone or anything as long as it doesn't really affect you and as far as I can see that's the bottom line.

[danger19_80]

5 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Is Sky Subscription really expensive at £30 a month? Given the amount of quality sports on there, well worth it. Maybe not for yourself but for other sporting fans. Its not about Football why we have our Sky sports Subscriptions. 

It's £60 for a new Sky Q subscription with Sky Sports HD

[GHD]

11 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Also you swerve this question, 

This is the man who accuses someone of swerving questions, and at the same time is unable to give a yes or no answer when asked, at least half a dozen times, if he has read Glens minutes

[KentExile]

31 minutes ago, danger19_80 said:

It's £60 for a new Sky Q subscription with Sky Sports HD

If you don't want any other Sky apart from Sky Sports, then you can normally get a sub £30/month deal with Now TV for just the Sky Sports package, as long as you sign up for a minimum term.

This doesn't include TNT sports, but it is a lower budget option that may suit some

Edited 1 hour ago by KentExile

[roverandout]

I have a good deal with Virgin media.  118 pounds a month for every channel including tnt sports.  I got it knocked down from 185 pounds a month