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[JHRover]

Well going off the Coyle appointment and Jim White reaction just before he was sacked in early 2017 it's a safe assumption that they were still involved then.

Then we've our shady friend the Venky stooge who has been running the snow for at least the last decade and who appeared to have some sort of past connection to the agency which was on his LinkedIn account I think.

Oh and I've seen mentions that he was involved in 'brokering' the takeover back in 2010 which leads to all sorts of other questions.

[RevidgeBlue]

58 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

@Mike Graham just to confirm, there are rumours that Jerome Anderson is still involved in some capacity?

In my view not, but, there's an offshoot of Kentaro HSH based in Middlesbrough run by a former Kentaro guy Craig Honeyman which has clearly had heavy links to the Club up until recently especially when Mowbray was here. Think they represented him as well.

[lraC]

9 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Well going off the Coyle appointment and Jim White reaction just before he was sacked in early 2017 it's a safe assumption that they were still involved then.

Then we've our shady friend the Venky stooge who has been running the snow for at least the last decade and who appeared to have some sort of past connection to the agency which was on his LinkedIn account I think.

Oh and I've seen mentions that he was involved in 'brokering' the takeover back in 2010 which leads to all sorts of other questions.

That may well be what Gen is alluding to, but I’m guessing. 

[philipl]

31 minutes ago, lraC said:

This would not surprise me one jot. I would say agents from the same stable, almost definitely. 

Talking of stables, I was told it was alleged that there were 143 "independent" agents in the Kentaro stable.

All totally against the rules of the game if that rumour were true.

And clubs had no idea they were in negotiations with the same people on both sides...

Jerome of course took a fee from both the Trust and Venkys for the sale of Rovers but that was visible to both parties apparently.

[lraC]

13 minutes ago, philipl said:

Talking of stables, I was told it was alleged that there were 143 "independent" agents in the Kentaro stable.

All totally against the rules of the game if that rumour were true.

And clubs had no idea they were in negotiations with the same people on both sides...

Jerome of course took a fee from both the Trust and Venkys for the sale of Rovers but that was visible to both parties apparently.

Plenty of connections with just one element of it. Gestede hooking up with Keane and then arriving back at Ewood as a trainee executive. Kean goes to Hibs and we have connections there and do not be too surprised if he is connected to our recent signing, Miller. 

[lraC]

And as if by magic, here it is.

Did the agents ever leave?

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2022/september/06/Report-Hibs-Dev-Squad-2-2-Dundee-United/

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, lraC said:

And as if by magic, here it is.

Did the agents ever leave?

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2022/september/06/Report-Hibs-Dev-Squad-2-2-Dundee-United/

Don't think it's as much any one agent in particular now but given the chance as a collective they'll suck the life blood out of you.

[Crimpshrine]

11 minutes ago, lraC said:

Plenty of connections with just one element of it. Gestede hooking up with Keane and then arriving back at Ewood as a trainee executive. Kean goes to Hibs and we have connections there and do not be too surprised if he is connected to our recent signing, Miller. 

And there is Adam Owen who joined Rovers from Hibs and now works closely with Gestede.

[lraC]

3 minutes ago, Crimpshrine said:

And there is Adam Owen who joined Rovers from Hibs and now works closely with Gestede.

Yep and the attached too, is no doubt pure coincidence,

[Crimpshrine]

49 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Well going off the Coyle appointment and Jim White reaction just before he was sacked in early 2017 it's a safe assumption that they were still involved then.

Then we've our shady friend the Venky stooge who has been running the snow for at least the last decade and who appeared to have some sort of past connection to the agency which was on his LinkedIn account I think.

Oh and I've seen mentions that he was involved in 'brokering' the takeover back in 2010 which leads to all sorts of other questions.

From supporters consultation meeting 2017

Andy Bayes: Quick question form the floor.

Paul Keogh: I think most people in this room or most supporters at home will be pleased to hear that we’re no longer linked to SEM and Kentaro. Does that also mean that Suhail Pasha no longer works for Kentaro? Because he did previously.

Paul Senior: Well I can’t comment on what he previously did but I do know that at this moment in time he’s not employed by those organisations; he’s employed by the owners. He looks after a number of the, or has a relationship with a number of the owners’ portfolios, including this Football Club - working in other countries as well. I have not been aware of any link or relationships between a professional at that level. He’s employed by the owners, by the club.

 

James: What’s his real name, Mike? Obviously on Linked in, he’s called Suhail Sheikh. Every news article I read – Lancashire Evening Telegraph, even yourself referred to him as Suhail Pasha. So what’s his name: Suhail Sheikh or Pasha?

Mike Cheston: I only know him as just Suhail.

Paul Keogh: My question is to Mike. It’s regarding Suhail: you’ve just confirmed that he is employed by the club. Does he have a title for the club at all?

Mike Cheston: Yes he does have a title.

Paul Keogh: Which is…?

Mike Cheston: Errrrrr errrrrrm Something like ‘Management Consultant’. I can’t remember the exact title.

Paul Keogh: And do you not find it a little bit concerning from your point of view, Mike, that Paul has come along tonight and confirmed that he can openly pick up the phone and speak to Belaji or Venkatesh over in India? You’ve been here for how long now? 

Mike Cheston: Three years.

Paul Keogh:  Three years and you still have to go through Suhail?

Mike Cheston: I don’t have to…

Paul Keogh:  Well why is he here, then? If you can open dialogue with the owners freely, why are we wasting money, under the current financial position that we’re in, and paying a Director or ‘Management Consultant’ to jet between India and England? Is that not a drain on our resources?

Mike Cheston: I’ll confirm his exact title. I just can’t remember at the moment.

[lraC]

6 minutes ago, Crimpshrine said:

From supporters consultation meeting 2017

Andy Bayes: Quick question form the floor.

Paul Keogh: I think most people in this room or most supporters at home will be pleased to hear that we’re no longer linked to SEM and Kentaro. Does that also mean that Suhail Pasha no longer works for Kentaro? Because he did previously.

Paul Senior: Well I can’t comment on what he previously did but I do know that at this moment in time he’s not employed by those organisations; he’s employed by the owners. He looks after a number of the, or has a relationship with a number of the owners’ portfolios, including this Football Club - working in other countries as well. I have not been aware of any link or relationships between a professional at that level. He’s employed by the owners, by the club.

 

James: What’s his real name, Mike? Obviously on Linked in, he’s called Suhail Sheikh. Every news article I read – Lancashire Evening Telegraph, even yourself referred to him as Suhail Pasha. So what’s his name: Suhail Sheikh or Pasha?

Mike Cheston: I only know him as just Suhail.

Paul Keogh: My question is to Mike. It’s regarding Suhail: you’ve just confirmed that he is employed by the club. Does he have a title for the club at all?

Mike Cheston: Yes he does have a title.

Paul Keogh: Which is…?

Mike Cheston: Errrrrr errrrrrm Something like ‘Management Consultant’. I can’t remember the exact title.

Paul Keogh: And do you not find it a little bit concerning from your point of view, Mike, that Paul has come along tonight and confirmed that he can openly pick up the phone and speak to Belaji or Venkatesh over in India? You’ve been here for how long now? 

Mike Cheston: Three years.

Paul Keogh:  Three years and you still have to go through Suhail?

Mike Cheston: I don’t have to…

Paul Keogh:  Well why is he here, then? If you can open dialogue with the owners freely, why are we wasting money, under the current financial position that we’re in, and paying a Director or ‘Management Consultant’ to jet between India and England? Is that not a drain on our resources?

Mike Cheston: I’ll confirm his exact title. I just can’t remember at the moment.

Cover ups, lies and skullduggery, but the fans aren’t being taken for mugs!!!

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Very sorry to say but we have been taken for mugs these last fifteen long years.

[RevidgeBlue]

On 09/08/2025 at 13:20, Mike E said:

I’m as fucked off about the minutes as anybody, but kindly stop the outright harassment of O2G. He’s a bloke who’s written some minutes, not Ronnie fucking Biggs.

Focus ire on the actual culprits.

It's a good job no-one is accusing him of being involved in the Great Train Robbery then!

Completely disagree Mike. I think John (O2G) is a really nice guy and Im sure everyone who meets him will say the same. Nevertheless I dont see how that stops anyone from being able to disagree with him occasionally.

I've complained in the past ( and received flak in the past from K Hod) about the apparent lack of resistance to Waggott just saying "Wont" "Can't" "Wasn't aware" or "We'll look into it" to everything at the meetings. According to the official minutes no-one said a dicky bird in response. I can only assume that everything that was said in the meetings  wasn't recorded.

Now it would appear from the last meeting that in the originally agreed minutes, not only have did we have large chunks which would have painted the Club in a bad light omitted, but embellishments that weren't said added to make the Club sound better. I.e. Pasha supposedly saying "sustainable but with the overall aim to becoming a viable Premier League Club" as opposed to just "sustainable" which was what GM and DM claim.

If wondering why this appears to have happened is "a witch hunt" then I'll run down to the shops now and get my pointy hat.

We've learnt more from this one meeting than we have from years of Waggott stonewalling questions. But none of it would have come out had GM and DM not dug their heels in about the minutes.

If O2G thinks anything said on this thread is factually incorrect or correct but unfair because there's a valid reason for it Im sure he'll give his side upon return from holiday.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

4 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

We've learnt more from this one meeting than we have from years of Waggott stonewalling questions. But none of it would have come out had GM and DM not dug their heels in about the minutes.

 

HEAR! HEAR!

[chaddyrovers]

23 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

What do you think of the minutes?

Haven't read them 

5 hours ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

Very rarely will chaddy entertain criticism of the Club.

If the club need a criticising for someone I will. 

4 hours ago, MarkBRFC said:

Chaddy said he wouldn't get a ST if Coyle was appointed in the run up to it, then changed his mind a day later when he was appointed.

Yes I did but then after thinking about everything I ain't or won't let anyone drive me away from supporting my club since 1991/92. 

 

[lraC]

7 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It's a good job no-one is accusing him of being involved in the Great Train Robbery then!

Completely disagree Mike. I think John (O2G) is a really nice guy and Im sure everyone who meets him will say the same. Nevertheless I dont see how that stops anyone from being able to disagree with him occasionally.

I've complained in the past ( and received flak in the past from K Hod) about the apparent lack of resistance to Waggott just saying "Wont" "Can't" "Wasn't aware" or "We'll look into it" to everything at the meetings. According to the official minutes no-one said a dicky bird in response. I can only assume that everything that was said in the meetings  wasn't recorded.

Now it would appear from the last meeting that in the originally agreed minutes, not only have did we have large chunks which would have painted the Club in a bad light omitted, but embellishments that weren't said added to make the Club sound better. I.e. Pasha supposedly saying "sustainable but with the overall aim to becoming a viable Premier League Club" as opposed to just "sustainable" which was what GM and DM claim.

If wondering why this appears to have happened is "a witch hunt" then I'll run down to the shops now and get my pointy hat.

We've learnt more from this one meeting than we have from years of Waggott stonewalling questions. But none of it would have come out had GM and DM not dug their heels in about the minutes.

If O2G thinks anything said on this thread is factually incorrect or correct but unfair because there's a valid reason for it Im sure he'll give his side upon return from holiday.

I have had a go and said similar things to you. I will personally call him and apologise, if he warrants an apology, as like you, I can’t understand what he was thinking about, with version 1 of those minutes. 

[lraC]

On 09/08/2025 at 15:04, chaddyrovers said:

said this earlier this week regarding the harassment and comments on O2G Mike 

But you just said you haven’t read the minutes. Please read both version 1 and then version 2 and answer honestly if you still can’t understand, why people are questioning him. 

[roversfan99]

5 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Haven't read them 

If the club need a criticising for someone I will. 

Yes I did but then after thinking about everything I ain't or won't let anyone drive me away from supporting my club since 1991/92. 

 

Why?

[Mattyblue]

Because they unequivocally paint the ‘club’ in a bad light and he doesn’t want to see it. That pesky Glen.

[lraC]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Why?

A fan who does not read the minutes, yet is prepared to have a go at someone who has and is now wondering why the two versions differing so much, and now questioning the version that look suspicious. 

[lraC]

4 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Because they unequivocally paint the ‘club’ in a bad light and he doesn’t want to see it. That pesky Glen.

Version 2 do, but version 1 doesn’t. 
Is he not curious enough to read them and find out what is going on at the club he loves? 
He hasn’t read either yet, but can still pass judgment on those who have.

Baffling. 

Edited 3 hours ago by lraC
Typo

[Hasta]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Haven't read them 

Here you go Chaddy

If the club are refusing to publish these as an honest representation of the meeting, who do you think is lying - The club? Or every fans forum attendee who agreed that these minutes are accurate?

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Hasta

[roversfan99]

Someone who is massively invested in the club, with no interest to read them?

Someone who is massively interested in transfers, not interested in the board and fans discussing budgets etc.

Someone who is more interested than anyone in staff movements and even once demanded successfully that Waggott chased up putting staff profiles on the website. Not interested in staff changes being discussed.

And other things. No thank you.

[Tomphil2]

No surprise at the dot joining going on here as that agency and co were so heavily involved here right from the start they were never going away.

The connections to India make it so so obvious i mean i think even Coyle ended up over there, i wonder how !

No surprise either that the same old lot pop up just as there are players being offloaded and recruited left right and centre and now Suhail and Gestede who came from nowhere seem to have more power than anyone since Kean and Anderson.

The heart of this club truly stinks rotten again.

[RoversClitheroe]

18 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Someone who is massively invested in the club, with no interest to read them?

Someone who is massively interested in transfers, not interested in the board and fans discussing budgets etc.

Someone who is more interested than anyone in staff movements and even once demanded successfully that Waggott chased up putting staff profiles on the website. Not interested in staff changes being discussed.

And other things. No thank you.

It honestly makes no sense to me?! 

It's like he's refusing to accept how fucked me are.