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[Tomphil2]

They had definitely all been sat down with a PR spin doctor to script that lot.

'35 million has been provided over the last 3 years'  A Kier Starmer  esq reply.

A) How much and when in the last 12 months ?

B   When is the next 'investment'.

C   That's NOT 20 million a season is it.

 

 

[StHelensRover]

I'd be very surprised if the club hasn't had someone keeping tabs on here (like they will across all social media) for many years. Most big clubs probably keep an eye on their main fan forums using their social media execs etc.

[Ossydave]

A load of pointless waffle as expected.

And despite taking weeks to doctor the minutes or whatever the fuck they do and nobody can spell the managers name right.

[Mattyblue]

You know what I’d probably put up with this regime a lot more if their hired hands weren’t such unlikeable, slippery characters (but I suppose how else are your supposed to sell this ridiculous set up).

Edited 21 hours ago by Mattyblue

[StHelensRover]

I think when there is a fans forum update that a link to it should appear on the main home page of the Rovers website and that it should feature in the 'news' feed.

There is a dedicated section where you can read all the previous minutes, but I wonder how many of the average match-going fans know that these exist and have ever read any of them. 

I think they're quite effectively hidden and played down.

[Mattyblue]

The LT does normally do a piece on it, easy copy for Elliot.  

[wilsdenrover]

9 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

They had definitely all been sat down with a PR spin doctor to script that lot.

'35 million has been provided over the last 3 years'  A Kier Starmer  esq reply.

A) How much and when in the last 12 months ?

B   When is the next 'investment'.

C   That's NOT 20 million a season is it.

 

 

The club’s last two sets of accounts advise us that the owners were given permission by the authorities to send:

£3.54 million in June ‘23

£11 million in October ‘23

£15 million in  March 24.

I make that a total of £29.54 million.

Perhaps at the next forum (I note this is less than a fortnight away) clarification could be sought as to whether these are the sums SW was on about (along with an explanation as to the remaining £5.5 million).

In any event, as you say, this is far from the fabled £20 million a season.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[wilsdenrover]

9 minutes ago, StHelensRover said:

I think when there is a fans forum update that a link to it should appear on the main home page of the Rovers website and that it should feature in the 'news' feed.

There is a dedicated section where you can read all the previous minutes, but I wonder how many of the average match-going fans know that these exist and have ever read any of them. 

I think they're quite effectively hidden and played down.

They keep their fan engagement plan well hidden too…

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[JHRover]

The stooges have obviously had a get-together recently to prepare their scripts and to ensure they sing from the same hymn sheet when it comes to the excuse making.

Someone has decided it is a good idea to compare us to Leeds, because these minutes and Yasir's twitter ramblings both attempt to directly compare situations.

I suppose when you are clueless and desperate and with less and less genuine excuses to fall back on you go to the extreme end of the spectrum as they have here.

In the end just an excuse laden load of rubbish delivered by people who should be nowhere near the  positions they have ended up occupying. Those with capability have rapidly moved on leaving us with the incapable and desperate.

I'm still confused as to why it is they claim it is difficult/impossible to resolve the critically important contract situations before the end of the season. This was never a problem or issue until a few years ago.

Just complete and utter charlatans, liars and not to be trusted.

 

[Tomphil2]

24 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

The club’s last two sets of accounts advise us that the owners were given permission by the authorities to send:

£3.54 million in June ‘23

£11 million in October ‘23

£15 million in  March 24.

I make that a total of £29.54 million.

Perhaps at the next forum (I note this is less than a fortnight away) clarification could be sought as to whether these are the sums SW was on about (along with an explanation as to the remaining £5.5 million).

In any event, as you say, this is far from the fabled £20 million a season.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Looks like he's stuck in the sponsorship deal as well which is clever of him because it isn't benefactor money they are in fact paying to advertise one of their companies on live tv etc.

They'll easily recoup that spend through business and that WILL be against tax on the books.

[only2garners]

55 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Unless a large proportion of what was actually said in the meeting wasnt recorded it seems there was very little pushback on anything that the Club said.

So much for not letting them off the hook and the tough line of questioning that was promised.

Nothing whatsover made if you believe the minutes of the fact that two top Coaches have walked out on the Club in a space of 12 months. Nothing made of the fact the second one left a Club in the play offs to join one in the relegation zone which is unprecedented. Nothing asked about what steps if any the Club took to try and persuade Eustace to stay. It the Club had admitted there werent any, we needed to know their reasons why not.

Nothing much made of the lack of contract offers made to players leaving either at the end of this season or the next.

Nothing about Waggott's whopping increase in remuneration.

Credit to K Hod for the one searching question about the lack of transfer investment. Does anyone actually believe that crap in response about us allegedly missing out on a mystery striker who became unavailable due to injuries at his Club? How convenient.

A surprising amount of throwing the owners under the bus from SS - "we always request the maximum amount but its up to them how much they want to provide etc" Certainly no more pretence from him that "They never refuse to write a cheque" etc

Is this right or is it him just trying to cover his own back and deflect criticism off him and Waggott?  It doesnt really tie up with either Waggott claiming he was making a specific request for funding in advance of the January window at the last FF meeting, or Gestede saying in recent interviews that he knew what his budget was for the year and that wouldnt change no matter where we found ourselves in the table. I personally think all 3 are lying and none of them can get their story straight.

In summary, the usual depressing read, the Club's default position being that they're never in the wrong and nothing is ever their fault. And no-one really ever takes them to task on it. Again unless the minutes are not a true reflection of what was actually said by and large the Club just come out with any old nonsense and no-one says anything in response.

I'll exempt KHod from that as it would appear from the minutes he does his best.

Not wishing to detract from KHod as he certainly made his opinions felt but he was far from the only one who did so in the meeting.

Inevitably what appears on the minutes of a meeting cannot reflect everything what was said and more importantly how it was said.

[Forever Blue]

17 hours ago, AAK said:

Yasir, no offence intended is an idiot. The massive reduction in adult season tickets is because adults are buying cheap tickets, hence their own policy to now conduct regular ticket checks. We all know people who do it. Again, more garbage. Got bored after the first 15 mins, especially when it was confirmed he lives in Luton, piss off pal.

He quoted your post on twitter and replied 

[Tomphil2]

You can player trade with the academy i believe Gestede said although with his doublespeak i'm not quite sure what he actually meant but it does seem to be becoming part of the 'model.'

Sell them to Prem clubs before they even hit the U23s or even U18's never mind getting anywhere near the first team looks to be a new piece of revenue stream.  All well and good only if you can secure big fees and a multitude of adds and sell ons whilst imo these sales should always include the first option to loan back.

Parasitic agents are the main cause of this they are looking further and further down the scale to peddle their money grabbing trade. 

Won't be long before 8 year olds are being sold.

[K-Hod]

I think it’s really unfair to completely judge what was said on the night from the minutes. 

This is no slight on O2G, as it’s impossible to capture everything that’s said, but there are some bits that will inevitably be missed.

Miller11 who posts on here asked some really good and probing questions on the night. I know that I got stuck in.

 

 

[wilsdenrover]

7 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

I think it’s really unfair to completely judge what was said on the night from the minutes. 

This is no slight on O2G, as it’s impossible to capture everything that’s said, but there are some bits that will inevitably be missed.

Miller11 who posts on here asked some really good and probing questions on the night. I know that I got stuck in.

 

 

Have you considered a bodycam??

Edited 18 hours ago by wilsdenrover

[RoversClitheroe]

10 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

I think it’s really unfair to completely judge what was said on the night from the minutes. 

This is no slight on O2G, as it’s impossible to capture everything that’s said, but there are some bits that will inevitably be missed.

Miller11 who posts on here asked some really good and probing questions on the night. I know that I got stuck in.

 

 

Can you provide further information please?

[Mike E]

Bit unfair on @K-Hod as well as other BRFCS members for folk to keep asking him to breach trust and be taken off the forum leaving BRFCS without a formal representation on the fans forum imo.

[rigger]

19 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Bit unfair on @K-Hod as well as other BRFCS members for folk to keep asking him to breach trust and be taken off the forum leaving BRFCS without a formal representation on the fans forum imo.

Why should us plebs know the truth ?

[RevidgeBlue]

2 hours ago, only2garners said:

Not wishing to detract from KHod as he certainly made his opinions felt but he was far from the only one who did so in the meeting.

Inevitably what appears on the minutes of a meeting cannot reflect everything what was said and more importantly how it was said.

Fair enough to an extent, but if there indeed was substantial resistance to certain things the Club said that needs to be recorded in the minutes otherwise the minutes put a completely different slant on the meeting to what actually happened.

 

 

 

[RevidgeBlue]

3 hours ago, wilsdenrover said:

Perhaps at the next forum (I note this is less than a fortnight away) clarification could be sought as to whether these are the sums SW was on about (along with an explanation as to the remaining £5.5 million).

In any event, as you say, this is far from the fabled £20 million a season

Agree on the first paragraph, he should be asked at some point to substantiate that alleged £35m figure with dates and exactly what it was spent on.

As far as the second para goes, most importantly for our purposes going forward, if you're correct it's £0 over the last 13 month!

Should be asked of  SW whether this is a permanent state of affairs or whether  there is any intention that this will change.

[simongarnerisgod]

2 hours ago, Tomphil2 said:

You can player trade with the academy i believe Gestede said although with his doublespeak i'm not quite sure what he actually meant but it does seem to be becoming part of the 'model.'

Sell them to Prem clubs before they even hit the U23s or even U18's never mind getting anywhere near the first team looks to be a new piece of revenue stream.  All well and good only if you can secure big fees and a multitude of adds and sell ons whilst imo these sales should always include the first option to loan back.

Parasitic agents are the main cause of this they are looking further and further down the scale to peddle their money grabbing trade. 

Won't be long before 8 year olds are being sold.

if he did say that,then it`s shortsighted in the extreme,you can`t expect saleable assets every season,there  might be 3/4 seasons when you produce nothing,it`s the nature of the beast

 

[Roverthechimp]

Minutes of meetings are very very rarely an accurate record of what was actually said and how it was said. More important is to know and respect (and support) the efforts of fan groups to publicly highlight the clown show that is our board, executives and owners.

The minutes presented make it incredibly obvious that our executives are full of shit, couldn't plan a piss up in a brewery and that the facade is cracking. They should be applauded for getting this on record in the public domain rather than being admonished for not calling SW/SS/RG/VENKYS total idiots when anyone with 2 brain cells can read that between the lines.

For club executives of Blackburn Rovers to make idiotic comparisons to Leeds United and also openly admit that hitting a revenue target is more important than growing our fan base (which would lead to increased revenue longer term) ON RECORD is pretty damning. The statement that it is difficult/impossible to sort out contracts before the end of the season further confirms the total lack of "joined up thinking" at Rovers as they should have been sorted at the end of the 22/23 season or at worst 23/24 if, as per their description, things can only be sorted post season.

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1 hour ago, K-Hod said:

I think it’s really unfair to completely judge what was said on the night from the minutes. 

This is no slight on O2G, as it’s impossible to capture everything that’s said, but there are some bits that will inevitably be missed.

Miller11 who posts on here asked some really good and probing questions on the night. I know that I got stuck in.

 

 

Sure it's not just me but all the thread all return to a focal point of the ownership that much I get confused with which thread I'm meant to be reading 🤣

[Tomphil2]

1 hour ago, simongarnerisgod said:

if he did say that,then it`s shortsighted in the extreme,you can`t expect saleable assets every season,there  might be 3/4 seasons when you produce nothing,it`s the nature of the beast

 

That's why they are maybe going to make the most of letting promising academy lads go, an extra income stream if you can up the turnover and find kids to polish at that level then alert the big boys.

[Tomphil2]

The Leeds comparison just sums them up it's like Burnley going up then one of their officials moaning at fans then using Liverpool as their excuse.

How many clubs in this division can get the income of Leeds ?

Why didn't he mention Sunderland's budget which probably isn't much different to ours.