Valérien Ismaël: Blackburn Rovers Head Coach

[M_B]

13 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

He's never quitting, he seems full square on behind the "transition".

Good,it won't succeed otherwise. 

[Mattyblue]

Do you think what Gestede et al are trying to do will succeed? Though not sure what ‘success’ is supposed to be here? Not being in the third division?

Edited 14 hours ago by Mattyblue

[superniko]

1 hour ago, MarkBRFC said:

Anyone who plays Ryan Hedges at centre half shouldn't be taken seriously ever again.

Rubbish this bloke.

It’s this seasons version of “Bradley Johnson false 9”

[roversfan99]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

As ever, you never happy with the answer. 

I said I posted my opinion post Derby and I did. I kept my word..TBH, its pointless cos you are never satisfied with the answer. 

You have ignored my question about whether you have any concerns/doubt about Ismael and whether 19th is a position you consider to be underachieving with these players, as I feel like in the past you think these players are better than that.

44 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It's not quite in the category of putting Sam Gallagher on at RB then hooking him again 20 mins later but it's not good.

What must the young CB's at the Club think when they see stuff like this happening? 

Wonder if they're in line for a hefty pay increase if they make a senior appearance?

Gallagher played at right back for less than that, about 10 mins between making 1 sub and another sub. Hedges played at centre back for a full game. The latter was far worse.

Johnson false 9 for a half was stranger than Gallagher moving for 10 minutes, but at least that weird experiment was abandonded at half time and we turned that game around.

[alcd]

2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Do you think what Gestede et al are trying to do will succeed? Though not sure what ‘success’ is supposed to be here? Not being in the third division?

Cutting the losses. League status is an afterthought. 

[Mattyblue]

Definitely on track to succeed on that, bonuses all round.

Edited 11 hours ago by Mattyblue

[wilsdenrover]

3 hours ago, MarkBRFC said:

Don't blame him for not quitting.

Easy money working for this lot when you accept anything they want you to do, and let's face it he isn't getting another gig at this level after this.

 I don’t blame him, I just think it says something about him.

[MarkBRFC]

24 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

 I don’t blame him, I just think it says something about him.

Absolutely, but i think we all had that idea about him anyway when he got the job.

[chaddyrovers]

5 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

You have ignored my question about whether you have any concerns/doubt about Ismael and whether 19th is a position you consider to be underachieving with these players, as I feel like in the past you think these players are better than that.

Yes I did ignored the question as it the similar type of question every time and we go around in circles about X or Y and we just won't agree. 

on the league position, we had a similar decisions and I will point to 2 games where we would have got 6 more points and you tell me I'm wrong so is worth another round of arguments/discussion over the same points again? no from me

[wilsdenrover]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes I did ignored the question as it the similar type of question every time and we go around in circles about X or Y and we just won't agree. 

on the league position, we had a similar decisions and I will point to 2 games where we would have got 6 more points and you tell me I'm wrong so is worth another round of arguments/discussion over the same points again? no from me

Out of interest, have there been any games this season where you thought we got more points than we deserved?

[Mattyblue]

Our next game is on the 21st November, so well into the season, we are sitting in 19th because we deserve to.

[Exiled_Rover]

5 hours ago, alcd said:

Cutting the losses. League status is an afterthought. 

Their losses will be higher in League One.

[chaddyrovers]

15 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

Out of interest, have there been any games this season where you thought we got more points than we deserved?

Southampton could be one. 

But most of our wins have been deserved. Southampton one if Armstrong scores then we dont win that game

[RevidgeBlue]

8 hours ago, M_B said:

Good,it won't succeed otherwise. 

Well, thank God they're all "aligned" or we might end up losing nearly all our home games or something. Oh errr..... hang on!

What do you define as "it succeeding"?

Cutting costs but going down?

Cutting costs but scraping up in at best 19th?

I'd define "it succeeding" as cutting costs yet still managing to maintain a similar League position to last season. Imo there isn't a snowballs chance in hell of that happening, they can be as aligned or onboard as they like.

[allanncd]

27 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Their losses will be higher in League One.

Not necessarily. Wages in L1 are a fraction of even the £10k pw reportedly paid to the top 10 players at Rovers. Total wage bills at more than half of L1 clubs are below £10m compared to £25m at Rovers. Of course ambitious clubs pay more but Venkys are not that. 

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, allanncd said:

Not necessarily. Wages in L1 are a fraction of even the £10k pw reportedly paid to the top 10 players at Rovers. Total wage bills at more than half of L1 clubs are below £10m compared to £25m at Rovers. Of course ambitious clubs pay more but Venkys are not that. 

I assume that all the new signings will be on a lot more than a 12 month contract and doubt they would have agreed relegation Clauses down to League 1 levels so I'm in the camp that losses would be far larger if we went down.

I would have thought the "plan" is to spend the minimum possible whilst just about staying up.

 

[wilsdenrover]

1 hour ago, allanncd said:

Not necessarily. Wages in L1 are a fraction of even the £10k pw reportedly paid to the top 10 players at Rovers. Total wage bills at more than half of L1 clubs are below £10m compared to £25m at Rovers. Of course ambitious clubs pay more but Venkys are not that. 

Last time we were relegated to L1 our turnover dropped by slightly more than our wage bill did (£5.9 million vs £5.2 million).

 

 

 

[Mashed Potatoes]

8 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

Last time we were relegated to L1 our turnover dropped by slightly more than our wage bill did (£5.9 million vs £5.2 million).

 

 

 

With the new TV deals in recent years I think the reduction in revenues would be a lot more now.

[RevidgeBlue]

11 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

Last time we were relegated to L1 our turnover dropped by slightly more than our wage bill did (£5.9 million vs £5.2 million).

And that would have been before the improved new TV deal for the Championship.

Edit: MP beat me to it.

Edited 4 hours ago by RevidgeBlue

[Leonard Venkhater]

2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Well, thank God they're all "aligned" or we might end up losing nearly all our home games or something. Oh errr..... hang on!

What do you define as "it succeeding"?

Cutting costs but going down?

Cutting costs but scraping up in at best 19th?

I'd define "it succeeding" as cutting costs yet still managing to maintain a similar League position to last season. Imo there isn't a snowballs chance in hell of that happening, they can be as aligned or onboard as they like.

100% ...All standing in line, facing the same way, as the ship sinks to the bottom of the sea and for the sake of the proverbial  ha'pworth of tar.

That last minute sale of Dom Hyam so sums up this rotten Rudy Getede/Suhail era.

Yesterday's first half shit show was engineered in the last transfer window. Wharton and Carte?-we all knew and that makes it so much harder to bear...

[M_B]

2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Well, thank God they're all "aligned" or we might end up losing nearly all our home games or something. Oh errr..... hang on!

What do you define as "it succeeding"?

Cutting costs but going down?

Cutting costs but scraping up in at best 19th?

I'd define "it succeeding" as cutting costs yet still managing to maintain a similar League position to last season. Imo there isn't a snowballs chance in hell of that happening, they can be as aligned or onboard as they like.

Don't know why you use the word aligned with such sarcasm,it's the most important thing.

As for what success looks like, promotion has to be the ultimate aim. Whatever success looks like to different people,it definitely won't happen with any coach unless he's on board with what's happening recruitment wise. 

[Leonard Venkhater]

17 minutes ago, M_B said:

Don't know why you use the word aligned with such sarcasm,it's the most important thing.

As for what success looks like, promotion has to be the ultimate aim. Whatever success looks like to different people,it definitely won't happen with any coach unless he's on board with what's happening recruitment wise. 

Seriously?

How could anyone quote the term, as used by Gestede (to promote his dumbing down agenda and silence healthy criticism )and do so without sarcasm?

[RevidgeBlue]

24 minutes ago, M_B said:

Don't know why you use the word aligned with such sarcasm,it's the most important thing.

I use it with sarcasm because it's a modern buzzword designed to hoodwink people into thinking all is well when it's clearly not i.e. "We're all aligned" (therefore by definition everything is clearly going to be ok despite all obvious signs to the contrary etc)

Or we're "on a journey" (Mowbray)  or we have to "trust in the process". There's another couple.

Id have thought we'd have a lot better chance of success if rather than have a Head Coach completely on board with pursuing a disastrous policy, we had an ambitious Coach like JDT or Eustace completely at odds with Gestede and Pasha begging them to spend as much as possible on the team.

[Kjell]

32 minutes ago, M_B said:

Don't know why you use the word aligned with such sarcasm,it's the most important thing.

The only way Rovers could succeed again—and be freed from the hostage situation—will be when everybody is aligned around the one cause: removing the owners and their disgraceful puppeteers. So in a way, you are correct. Alignment is the most important thing.

[RevidgeBlue]

38 minutes ago, M_B said:

As for what success looks like, promotion has to be the ultimate aim. 

So how's that looking then?