2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[rigger]

5 minutes ago, Ferrit said:

People still listen to Nixon? 

Only the gullible ones. 

[Ossydave]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Clearly other clubs will be clearly interest in our best young players just we were when Eze and Tyjon were at Stanley and Rochdale. Did anyone moan or complain when we took their best young players

What on earth are you talking about and how's it relevant to what I posted? Why would we complain about signing talented young players? That's like saying we're upset we shagged a lass just because her ex was inferior.

[wilsdenrover]

15 minutes ago, Ossydave said:

What on earth are you talking about and how's it relevant to what I posted? Why would we complain about signing talented young players? That's like saying we're upset we shagged a lass just because her ex was inferior.

I can’t help but feel like you’re bragging there 😁😁

[pick32]

Who is actually still paying Alan Nixon con artist to the stupid

[bluebruce]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

None of us complained when we take Stanley or Rochdale brighter young players for our academy. 

 

You mean the ones we are likely to subsequently lose for peanuts? Not sure we are actually gaining much from it. Last one I can remember benefiting us was Raya, and that was from abroad.

[chaddyrovers]

37 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

You mean the ones we are likely to subsequently lose for peanuts? Not sure we are actually gaining much from it. Last one I can remember benefiting us was Raya, and that was from abroad.

I mean the ones being linked with moves to big clubs. 

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, Ossydave said:

What on earth are you talking about and how's it relevant to what I posted? Why would we complain about signing talented young players?

Its wasn't but my point I was making is more than relevant to this thread. 

Nicko is a source of info. That's it. Don't live on every word either just for the record either. 

[bluebruce]

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I mean the ones being linked with moves to big clubs. 

They are the ones being linked to big clubs.

[roversfan99]

If our best youngsters will just be picked off, it probably makes these targets that Gestede is pushing to give graduates a certain number of minutes even more ridiculous.

[blondie]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

If our best youngsters will just be picked off, it probably makes these targets that Gestede is pushing to give graduates a certain number of minutes even more ridiculous.

Perhaps first team minutes raise the value of the players, even though they will probably be picked off.

[chaddyrovers]

5 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

They are the ones being linked to big clubs.

Yes I know. Teams know we are good at developing young players and clubs are now targeting us for this very reasons, but we have good track record at bringing through our own players and we should carry this on

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

If our best youngsters will just be picked off, it probably makes these targets that Gestede is pushing to give graduates a certain number of minutes even more ridiculous.

why shouldn't we been bringing through our own players from our academy?  

[Blow-in]

1 hour ago, pick32 said:

Who is actually still paying Alan Nixon con artist to the stupid

You both asked and answered the same question?

[roversfan99]

24 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes I know. Teams know we are good at developing young players and clubs are now targeting us for this very reasons, but we have good track record at bringing through our own players and we should carry this on

why shouldn't we been bringing through our own players from our academy?  

No one has ever said that we shouldnt.

People have suggested that we shouldnt be over reliant on it, setting arbitary targets for minutes played or be bringing/relying on players who arent ready, or too many at once.

For some reason still, you cant grasp the difference.

My point was that these stupid targets become even harder to meet without seriously jeopardising results if our better youngsters are at high risk of being picked off.

[Exiled_Rover]

46 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

If our best youngsters will just be picked off, it probably makes these targets that Gestede is pushing to give graduates a certain number of minutes even more ridiculous.

I raised this point in the Academy thread - I don't know how the likes of Sunderland, Boro, Bristol City et al hang on to their Academy graduates and they aren't poached from the crib like ours seem to be.

Sunderland have just sold Watson (the guy who scored the winner in the Playoff final) for £12m to Brighton and everyone seems to think Rigg is the best thing since sliced bread. 

 

[Exiled_Rover]

49 minutes ago, blondie said:

Perhaps first team minutes raise the value of the players, even though they will probably be picked off.

It's about development - getting first team minutes into the likes of Montgomery (I doubt he's good enough, but I haven't seen him play his natural position yet), Duru, Batty et al will bring them on.

As we're seeing though, the vultures of football (alas not just English football as Juventus are after one of our players and I know another went to Spain a few years ago) have identified that we're a carcass to be picked clean and they're doing so. 

Any talented players will be gone before you can even remember their names - Phillips, Finneran et al. You're left with the next round of Buckley / JRC / Travis type talents if you're lucky. 

Edited Sunday at 17:26 by Exiled_Rover

[Andy]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Its wasn't but my point I was making is more than relevant to this thread. 

Nicko is a source of info. That's it. Don't live on every word either just for the record either. 

He is, but not a very good/reliable one.

As long as anyone who reads his red-top gossip guff understands that it is exactly that.

By default, he'll get one right every so often, but even in those cases, he's usually covered all bases and caveated.

[bluebruce]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes I know. Teams know we are good at developing young players and clubs are now targeting us for this very reasons, but we have good track record at bringing through our own players and we should carry this on

What I'm saying is, we aren't really benefiting from this system. Yes we took Eze and Tyjon for peanuts and now they're probably both leaving for peanuts not long later. The ones benefiting are the ones at the top table, who already have all the money, and hoover up superb prospects for sod all, especially relative to their wealth.

Then they loan them out, to the likes of us, not cheaply either, and once they've proven themselves at Championship or above they end up selling for millions. The system doesn't work.

IMO, it would at least discourage them a bit if wage contributions and loan fees weren't allowed for players of 21 or under. But ideally, the compensation system should be thoroughly overhauled. Including to the benefit of your Rochdales and Accy Stanleys.

[chaddyrovers]

13 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

No one has ever said that we shouldnt.

People have suggested that we shouldnt be over reliant on it, setting arbitary targets for minutes played or be bringing/relying on players who arent ready, or too many at once.

For some reason still, you cant grasp the difference.

My point was that these stupid targets become even harder to meet without seriously jeopardising results if our better youngsters are at high risk of being picked off.

No-one has said we should be over reliant on Academy players but some of us reckon that some players like Tyjon, Duru and Montgomery should be part of the first team squad. Tyjon is highly rated that we big clubs want him, Duru I think he should have been Brittain's back up last season not JRC who isnt a right back in million years. Montgomery impressed his appearances and I want to see him play more. 

Bringing through 2 or 3 academy players every season should be the aim of our Academy given its a cat 1 Academy. Why shouldnt that be the aim for us? If they are good enough, they are old enough. 

No one has set any targets for young players. 

10 hours ago, Andy said:

He is, but not a very good/reliable one.

As long as anyone who reads his red-top gossip guff understands that it is exactly that.

By default, he'll get one right every so often, but even in those cases, he's usually covered all bases and caveated.

He's get plenty right. He reported clubs interested in this or that player, yet some people misinterpreted that for he is signing here. People don't read the story right. Like someone said Tyjon is off to Arsenal based on Nicko's article which isn't what Nicko reported. He reported Arsenal interest in Tyjon and Arsenal are willing to offer £1m plus bonuses for him. 

[MarkBRFC]

13 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

No one has set any targets for young players. 

 

Gestede has, he wants 2-3000 minutes from academy players this season.

[Tomphil2]

They are desperate to grow another team to sell within a couple of years that's what the rush to 2/3000 mins is all about as well as driving down the wage bill.

We have the spine, structure and experience to maybe allow that for another season at Championship level but beyond that....

Edited yesterday at 07:35 by Tomphil2

[roversfan99]

He has set a target.

2 or 3 new academy players every season is a huge and probably unrealistic. Some years the well will be dry.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

2 or 3 new academy players every season is a huge and probably unrealistic. Some years the well will be dry.

We have category 1 academy and sometimes we won't produce quality in some years but should that stop us trying really, of course not. We invested in our Academy and we should be producing players for our first team. 

[roversfan99]

It wont stop us trying even in years where that quality isnt there because we have targets to hit and ultimately money to save.

[jim mk2]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

He's get plenty right. He reported clubs interested in this or that player, yet some people misinterpreted that for he is signing here. People don't read the story right. Like someone said Tyjon is off to Arsenal based on Nicko's article which isn't what Nicko reported. He reported Arsenal interest in Tyjon and Arsenal are willing to offer £1m plus bonuses for him. 

As the saying goes, a stopped clock is right twice a day

Nixon's scattergun approach means one or two of his fliers will hit the target but most of the time he's churning out clickbait to keep food on the table

Best approach is not to treat his stories with a pinch of salt but a whole mine of the stuff

 

[chaddyrovers]

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

It wont stop us trying even in years where that quality isnt there because we have targets to hit and ultimately money to save.

Where has Gestede said its the target? 

He has said we would like to go back to producing our own players from own academy 

Rovers will also look to sign younger players and maximise their Academy, to build sellable assets. That was part of the discussion when appointing Valerien Ismael and a value Blackburn want to return to.

"You have to rely on the Academy also, Adam Wharton is an example. He is a rare one but you can do business with the Academy with player-trading," he explained.

"What we have seen in the last year, the minutes played by our Academy players has dropped drastically. We used to be over 2,000 minutes for Under-23 Academy players. Last 12 months, 142 minutes.

"That affects the value of the asset and we want to go back to that model. That was part of the discussions with Valerien. They have to be part of your squad planning.

"We will also go in the market for young players. Instead of one-year deals for players at a certain age, you go younger and buy the assets. You don't have to buy an asset for £5million, it can be a lower fee with more resale value.

That's an exciting time going into the summer. We have to refresh the squad with loans and players out of contract. Now is the right time.

"We want to develop players, give a platform for Academy players to shine and attract young players to be on the pitch for Blackburn."