roversfan99 Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 7 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said: Have we, where has it said that? Even if we have, means nothing unless they sign. We have had "talks with their representatives." So we havent even put deals in front of him. All smoke and mirrors. 5 Quote
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BankEnd Rover Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 24 minutes ago, Neal said: Travis replacement?  https://sportwitness.co.uk/blackburn-rovers-and-oxford-united-tussle-for-brian-de-keersmaecker/ Got a €3 million valuation so doubt we spend that on a back up -- or like you said possible replacement for travis. Quote
davulsukur Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 10 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said: The question has to be asked again, what the actual fuck do they get out of owning this club? I can't give you an answer on that. Whatever their reasons, it's not for the benefit of Blackburn Rovers FC. 1 Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 12 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said: Couldn't disagree more with the above. If we were getting £6m or £7m for Travis then you might be able to make out a viable case for selling him. (That's assuming the funds were being reinvested in his replacement). At up to £3m however there's no way you're going to be able to replace him with anything like the same experience and quality. He's the heartbeat of the side as we saw this last season. As soon as he got injured results fell off a cliff and it was effectively season over. All selling him at this stage does, scrapes together a bit of beer money to pay one or two bills and rips the heart and soul out of the team.  Love Travis want him to stay actually desperately need him to stay however trav played every minute in that 8 game debacle of 6 losses and 2 draws 2/24 the previous rough patch over Xmas he missed 8 games - 4 losses 2 draws 2 wins 8/24  Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 12 hours ago, Hasta said: After being unemployed for 11 months, Ismael will align on anything Suhail and Rudy say. This is my view as well - surely no-one with half a brain cell can actually think that "the project" of selling off anyone with a bit of Championship quality, not reinvesting the proceeds and replacing them with cheap untestested players or Academy graduates is doomed to anything else but failure. You can dress it up as bringing in young players with a bit of pace to match some mythical brand of football we haven't actually seen any signs of yet all you like. I'm in 2 minds whether VI actually believes any of this nonsense or already knows the gig is up and is merely trying to string his time out and earn £600 k or so here over the next 12 months. One thing's for sure, if he can get it to work, or even keep our noses above water, he'll be a bit of a miracle worker. Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 12 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: We have had "talks with their representatives." So we havent even put deals in front of him. All smoke and mirrors. "Hi there, would your clients be interested in exploring the possibility of a new deal?" "No? Thought not, thanks, See ya!" Â 2 Quote
Polky Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 33 minutes ago, Neal said: Travis replacement? Â https://sportwitness.co.uk/blackburn-rovers-and-oxford-united-tussle-for-brian-de-keersmaecker/ Great name! Rovers will be charging a premium to get his name on a shirt. Need every penny we can get! 2 Quote
Rover1984 Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 24 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said: Couldn't disagree more with the above. If we were getting £6m or £7m for Travis then you might be able to make out a viable case for selling him. (That's assuming the funds were being reinvested in his replacement). At up to £3m however there's no way you're going to be able to replace him with anything like the same experience and quality. He's the heartbeat of the side as we saw this last season. As soon as he got injured results fell off a cliff and it was effectively season over. All selling him at this stage does, scrapes together a bit of beer money to pay one or two bills and rips the heart and soul out of the team.  Agree, Travis will be hard to replace. He bleeds Rovers And would tackle his grandmother to get the ball. His influence on the squad and club as a whole can not be replaced 2 Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: Love Travis want him to stay actually desperately need him to stay however trav played every minute in that 8 game debacle of 6 losses and 2 draws 2/24 the previous rough patch over Xmas he missed 8 games - 4 losses 2 draws 2 wins 8/24 Â It was the rough patch over Christmas until mid to end of January when he was missing that initially de-railed the season. The next implosion was the 5 defeats when the players didn't initially take to VI. Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said: It was the rough patch over Christmas until mid to end of January when he was missing that initially de-railed the season. The next implosion was the 5 defeats when the players didn't initially take to VI. Draw against Sunderland - promoted draw against Leeds - promoted Defeat to hull - awful defeat to Burnley - awful / promoted Defeat to Oxford - poor defeat to Coventry - poor / playoff team wins v boro and Pompey wasn’t an easy fixture list and would have been better if he was playing but I don’t buy that because he was out of the team that’s the main reason for the dip in form as you can see we still picked up decent results Quote
Leonard Venkhater Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 15 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said: This is my view as well - surely no-one with half a brain cell can actually think that "the project" of selling off anyone with a bit of Championship quality, not reinvesting the proceeds and replacing them with cheap untestested players or Academy graduates is doomed to anything else but failure. You can dress it up as bringing in young players with a bit of pace to match some mythical brand of football we haven't actually seen any signs of yet all you like. I'm in 2 minds whether VI actually believes any of this nonsense or already knows the gig is up and is merely trying to string his time out and earn £600 k or so here over the next 12 months. One thing's for sure, if he can get it to work, or even keep our noses above water, he'll be a bit of a miracle worker. He is their man, alright. Anyone else heard a rumour that Waggott had agreed a deal for Gary O'Neil, but got "overruled " by Pasha?......similar to the Warnock /Coyle flip... Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: Draw against Sunderland - promoted draw against Leeds - promoted Defeat to hull - awful defeat to Burnley - awful / promoted Defeat to Oxford - poor defeat to Coventry - poor / playoff team wins v boro and Pompey wasn’t an easy fixture list and would have been better if he was playing but I don’t buy that because he was out of the team that’s the main reason for the dip in form as you can see we still picked up decent results The win against Boro was in the Cup. Just had a quick look and between the Sunderland game and a good win against Preston end of Jan we had 1 win, 2 draws and 5 defeats from eight games. (Five points) I wouldn't call that "decent" but if you don't think it was down to Trav's absence it's irrelevant for the purpose of the current discussion I guess. Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said: He is their man, alright. Anyone else heard a rumour that Waggott had agreed a deal for Gary O'Neil, but got "overruled " by Pasha?......similar to the Warnock /Coyle flip... Have you got a job as Steve's new PR man or something? 🙂 No way Waggott was sanctioning a deal for O Neil imo. All indications at the time were that talks with him never got off the ground and were over as soon as they started. 1 Quote
Mercer Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said: He is their man, alright. Anyone else heard a rumour that Waggott had agreed a deal for Gary O'Neil, but got "overruled " by Pasha?......similar to the Warnock /Coyle flip... Think a few of us heard that one. With that and the women's team debacle (Waggott had seemingly secured third party investment / sponsorship but knocked back by Raos), it would seem the sands had been shifting from under Waggott for some time. Quote
rob_of_the_rovers Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago (edited) De Keersmaecker seems like far too sensible a signing for us Edited 20 hours ago by rob_of_the_rovers 1 Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Mercer said: Think a few of us heard that one. With that and the women's team debacle (Waggott had seemingly secured third party investment / sponsorship but knocked back by Raos), it would seem the sands had been shifting from under Waggott for some time. There's a fair bit of PR fluff sprung up about Waggott since his departure. So he was prepared to push the boat out for O Neil, but wouldn't lift a finger to keep his (supposedly) own man Eustace? Sounds extremely unlikely tbh. 1 Quote
Tyrone Shoelaces Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 1 hour ago, Neal said: Travis replacement?  https://sportwitness.co.uk/blackburn-rovers-and-oxford-united-tussle-for-brian-de-keersmaecker/ Remember the two club rule. Players only come to Ewood if there isn’t an alternative. If the mighty Oxford are in for him forget it. 3 Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 10 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said: The win against Boro was in the Cup. Just had a quick look and between the Sunderland game and a good win against Preston end of Jan we had 1 win, 2 draws and 5 defeats from eight games. (Five points) I wouldn't call that "decent" but if you don't think it was down to Trav's absence it's irrelevant for the purpose of the current discussion I guess. Forgot it was a cup game but it’s still a win and an away win same with the draw away to Leeds and Sunderland at home I didn’t say the return was decent but what I’m saying is is that there’s isn’t a direct correlation to trav not playing and bad results Quote
MarkBRFC Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 1 hour ago, Neal said: Travis replacement? Â https://sportwitness.co.uk/blackburn-rovers-and-oxford-united-tussle-for-brian-de-keersmaecker/ Initial thoughts are he looks more suited to be a Tronstad replacement. Quote
Mercer Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 16 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said: There's a fair bit of PR fluff sprung up about Waggott since his departure. So he was prepared to push the boat out for O Neil, but wouldn't lift a finger to keep his (supposedly) own man Eustace? Sounds extremely unlikely tbh. I wouldn't try to defend Waggott at any price. Neither liked nor trusted the guy. Think the Eustace 'issue' actually goes back to last summer which seemingly led to Eustace putting himself on the market (how many jobs did he supposedly apply for - at least 3 spring to mind) some months before his almost inevitable departure. I heard the O'Neil link from who I would regard as a strong source. Was never keen on Waggott from day one but his card was properly marked with his cack-handed efforts to sell Brockhall (or part of) some 4/5 years ago for housing. 2 Quote
roversfan99 Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 52 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said: There's a fair bit of PR fluff sprung up about Waggott since his departure. So he was prepared to push the boat out for O Neil, but wouldn't lift a finger to keep his (supposedly) own man Eustace? Sounds extremely unlikely tbh. I am skeptical of the rumour, especially as Mercer has jumped on it and claimed his famously wide of the mark "sources" think its true. Bur wanting O'Neil wouldnt be good PR. He is a shit manager. Equally, I dont get how you can pin what happened to Eustace on Waggott. Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 13 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: Equally, I dont get how you can pin what happened to Eustace on Waggott. Obviously not solely to blame but fully complicit. Quote
Old Codger Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 1 hour ago, Exiled_Rover said: The question has to be asked again, what the actual fuck do they get out of owning this club? It is the question that should be painted in 10ft high letters around the walls of Ewood Park. We just need to get some of those shady arseholes who ride around pulling wheelies and being antisocial wankers to take a few quid, a few beers and a few lines of Bolivian Marching Powder to do the leg work.. I'm sure a few cans of luminous graffiti paint can be left judiciously around the stadium to facilitate the operation... Sorta like... Â 2 Quote
lraC Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 2 hours ago, BankEnd Rover said: Got a €3 million valuation so doubt we spend that on a back up -- or like you said possible replacement for travis. Blessed are the Keersmaeckers. 1 Quote
Tugayisgod Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago €3m euros or £700,000 ? Take your pick, certainly don't trust transfer market ! The truth probably somewhere in between. Quote
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