Tomphil2 Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago You can tell from Gestede's comments Rovers bean counters weren't happy with Eustaces policy of well paid older players steadying the ship instead of throwing young players in or cheap low fee/loanees etc to develop. Too thick to realise that policy contributed to almost seeing us relegated and Eustaces policy almost saw is finish in the top 6 ! So i think at the heart of the Batth/Weimann saga Rovers didn'tย reallyย want to keep them even if the new coach did so i'd say they had a nudge towards Derby from this end but no doubt the truth will seep out in time, it usually does. 6 Quote
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The Gull Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago I personally have no issue with Baath being let go when Carter and Wharton are fit, both played next to nothing for us last season, the issue is if they can stay fit as if they do then surely Wharton with Hyam is first choice and Carter as back up to one of them, also possible for him to play full back or one of 3 at the back. The problem is we have little back up beyond that other than O'Riordan, so something is needed or we are reliant on kids. Quote
roverandout Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 15 minutes ago, The Gull said: I personally have no issue with Baath being let go when Carter and Wharton are fit, both played next to nothing for us last season, the issue is if they can stay fit as if they do then surely Wharton with Hyam is first choice and Carter as back up to one of them, also possible for him to play full back or one of 3 at the back. The problem is we have little back up beyond that other than O'Riordan, so something is needed or we are reliant on kids. You're happy to lose a centreback with great experience and who played nearly every minute because two defenders who couldn't stay fit last season are coming back? Hyam looked at his best alongside batth.ย ย 8 Quote
simongarnerisgod Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 22 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said: You can tell from Gestede's comments Rovers bean counters weren't happy with Eustaces policy of well paid older players steadying the ship instead of throwing young players in or cheap low fee/loanees etc to develop. Too thick to realise that policy contributed to almost seeing us relegated and Eustaces policy almost saw is finish in the top 6 ! So i think at the heart of the Batth/Weimann saga Rovers didn'tย reallyย want to keep them even if the new coach did so i'd say they had a nudge towards Derby from this end but no doubt the truth will seep out in time, it usually does. they don`t want to give travis,brittain,dolan and tronstadt an extension either,paying a 27/28 yr old a big 4/5 yearย contract is to much for them to bear,sooner replace them with cheap ***** from the lower leagues of europe,they still hav`nt learned that if you get rid of decent players and bring in ones that ar`nt as good,you will be relegated,i feel sorry for val,i hope he`s got his exit plan sorted 8 Quote
roverandout Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago If batth joins Derby I can guarantee Derby will concede less goals than rovers this seasonย 2 Quote
simongarnerisgod Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago adam randell joins bristol city from plymouth for less than we`ve paid for sidnei,a battle hardened midfielder who`s got ooodles of champioship experience vs someone from the lower reaches of the portugese first division,thats our model at the moment๐ฅ Quote
rigger Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 2 minutes ago, roverandout said: If batth joins Derby I can guarantee Derby will concede less goals than rovers this seasonย No you can't. But even if you could, if Derby conceded less goals than us, they could still finish below us. Quote
Mercer Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 42 minutes ago, davulsukur said: I actually thought Derby were going to back him with a reasonable amount (not crazy amounts) but as you say, the fact they aren't, just doubles down on how much of a circus things are at Ewood. Morris reported in places as ยฃ1.7million. Obviously, Batth and Weimann free and low hanging fruit. I'll wager a pound to a penny that they pay no less than ยฃ5million in fees this winฬdow which almost certainly outstrips Rovers. Quote
simongarnerisgod Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 3 minutes ago, rigger said: No you can't. But even if you could, if Derby conceded less goals than us, they could still finish below us. batth held us together last season and was a big threat from set pieces,you really want to go into the season,with hyam and carter as first choice???with wharton,o`riordan and an academy player as back up hyam lacks character and carter is imjury prone,batth was an immense leader for the squad last season,he`ll do the same at derby,bring all the defenders together 5 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 36 minutes ago, The Gull said: I personally have no issue with Baath being let go when Carter and Wharton are fit, both played next to nothing for us last season, the issue is if they can stay fit as if they do then surely Wharton with Hyam is first choice and Carter as back up to one of them, also possible for him to play full back or one of 3 at the back. The problem is we have little back up beyond that other than O'Riordan, so something is needed or we are reliant on kids. Carter is better than Wharton but neither have paired as well with Hyam as Batth did and that in itself is an issue. Never mind the fact Wharton will still be miles away from being fit enough to play a lot it was a career ender he suffered and if he's rushed he'll break down again. Edited 3 hours ago by Tomphil2 2 Quote
The Gull Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 15 minutes ago, roverandout said: You're happy to lose a centreback with great experience and who played nearly every minute because two defenders who couldn't stay fit last season are coming back? Hyam looked at his best alongside batth.ย ย Baath was also very injury prone prior to last season, chances he would go so well again this season at his age?ย I know it is easy to criticise everything going on, and I am far from happy with things, but can see the reasons behind some things, especially when you consider they are trying to cut costs, doesn't mean I agree, and as I said leaves us thin if one of the 3 main defenders gets an injury. ย 1 Quote
simongarnerisgod Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago did val want batth to go,i doubt it,especially when he was given the transfer budget,of course knowing the morons in charge they proably lied to him 1 Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago This is on the assumption that batth performs to the same level and bare in mind he will have a new partner also I backed not giving batth a 2 year deal if the rumours are true that Derby have offered 1 then that is a massive loss on rovers behalfย but again see above batths form (any players form) from the season before isnโt really relative when they move to a new clubย Quote
rigger Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 8 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said: batth held us together last season and was a big threat from set pieces,you really want to go into the season,with hyam and carter as first choice???with wharton,o`riordan and an academy player as back up hyam lacks character and carter is imjury prone,batth was an immense leader for the squad last season,he`ll do the same at derby,bring all the defenders together I am not saying any of what you say is wrong. But you stated that you could guarantee something. That is not possible, if it was why don't you put your entire savings on a bet ? Quote
simongarnerisgod Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 9 minutes ago, rigger said: I am not saying any of what you say is wrong. But you stated that you could guarantee something. That is not possible, if it was why don't you put your entire savings on a bet ? i can guarantee that if we don`t sing another dominant centre back in the batth style,we will leak goals,that likely is`nt happening so yes,i can guarantee we`ll concede goals at an alarming rate 1 Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago Itโs a pointless debate reallyย derby could easily be better defensively than us given that it is one of Eustace main strengths tactically and Val is a bit more open and expansive which is likely to lead to more goals conceded but you are right in terms of needing another cb thatโs pretty vital and obvious ย Quote
Ghost7 Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago Batth and Hyam had a great partnership... I saw them work well together aerially on nearly every long ball and Hyam looked improved, it disappeared when Carter came in. A new CB is needed, a new striker is needed and a new winger is needed. All should cost decent money and make the first 11. Arguably need a better keeper too and right back cover. Get moving... ! 3 Quote
MarkBRFC Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago I'm fully of the opinion that our 11 on the opening day won't have one new signing involved. 2 Quote
simongarnerisgod Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 15 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said: I'm fully of the opinion that our 11 on the opening day won't have one new signing involved. can`t be having new players blocking our academy players can we๐ 2 Quote
roversfan99 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 20 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said: I'm fully of the opinion that our 11 on the opening day won't have one new signing involved. I agree, said the same the other day. Even if we sign a centre back, Hyam and Carter will start. Kargbo and Hedges will be wide with De Neve on the bench and Tavares wont start even if he is fit. 1 Quote
Dreams of 1995 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 3 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said: Oh do give over - George Hirst, Telalovic, Ennis, O Riordan, Wahlsted, Forshaw, Dennis, Woodrow,ย to name but a few? The only time I'd argue we excelled on a limited budget was last summer when John Park was here. Not every signing is a success Yet, despite all of that, we consider anything less than play offs a disappointment whilst also operating with a budget that is within the bottom 5. That is down to our good recruitment, even despite some not working out Out of that list, Iโd say Dennis and OโRiordan are the two which deserve to be there. Both poor signings and OโRiordan only so because it was with a fee at a time we needed bodies elsewhere Wahlstedt we moved on; Hirst was not good enough for us but no harm lost;ย ย Ennis we got a fee for; Forshaw came ok at the end and is an experienced player and Woodrow was a stop gap for depth and not the worst player Iโve seen either. Again, we have a tiny budget but have become accustomed to top half finishes. Thatโs down to recruitment. Mixed in there we have had: Dack, Szmodics, Tronstad, Brittain, Pickering, Hyam, Armstrong, BBD, Kaminski, van Hecke, Ayala, Rothwell, Tosin,ย We have had some players who didnโt turn out the best for us but went on to do well elsewhere - Ayari, Amarii Bell spring to mind immediately. Walton now Ipswich keeper. Overall our recruitment team gets it right more than they get it wrong and with such constraints they deserve a lot of praise for that Quote
roverandout Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, rigger said: No you can't. But even if you could, if Derby conceded less goals than us, they could still finish below us. It's clearly a figure of speech. It's like saying If I win the lottery I guarantee I won't be a changed man then go out and buy a ferrariย Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 14 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said: Not every signing is a success Yet, despite all of that, we consider anything less than play offs a disappointment whilst also operating with a budget that is within the bottom 5. That is down to our good recruitment, even despite some not working out Out of that list, Iโd say Dennis and OโRiordan are the two which deserve to be there. Both poor signings and OโRiordan only so because it was with a fee at a time we needed bodies elsewhere Wahlstedt we moved on; Hirst was not good enough for us but no harm lost;ย ย Ennis we got a fee for; Forshaw came ok at the end and is an experienced player and Woodrow was a stop gap for depth and not the worst player Iโve seen either. Again, we have a tiny budget but have become accustomed to top half finishes. Thatโs down to recruitment. Mixed in there we have had: Dack, Szmodics, Tronstad, Brittain, Pickering, Hyam, Armstrong, BBD, Kaminski, van Hecke, Ayala, Rothwell, Tosin,ย We have had some players who didnโt turn out the best for us but went on to do well elsewhere - Ayari, Amarii Bell spring to mind immediately. Walton now Ipswich keeper. Overall our recruitment team gets it right more than they get it wrong and with such constraints they deserve a lot of praise for that But the margins are so fine look at last season took a win against an already promoted Leicester to stay upโฆ.good season this year but thatโs not guaranteed going forward the problem is the drop off itโs near boom or bust.ย ย I tend to judge when seen in a rovers shirt personally but I do get why there is concern regarding the strategy. We have Travis tronstad Brittain needing renewals and with such a limited budget how are they replaced whether it be this season or next. Iโm all for the European market as the English one is inflated but there has to be a level of balanceย ย Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, simongarnerisgod said: adam randell joins bristol city from plymouth for less than we`ve paid for sidnei,a* battle hardened midfielder who`s got ooodles of champioship experience vs someone from the lower reaches of the portugese first division,thats our model at the moment๐ฅ * for less than we've reportedly paid. I suspect we've paid utter peanuts for our Portuguese / Cape Verde / Leicester lad. Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 38 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said: Not every signing is a success Yet, despite all of that, we consider anything less than play offs a disappointment whilst also operating with a budget that is within the bottom 5. That is down to our good recruitment, even despite some not working out Out of that list, Iโd say Dennis and OโRiordan are the two which deserve to be there. Both poor signings and OโRiordan only so because it was with a fee at a time we needed bodies elsewhere Wahlstedt we moved on; Hirst was not good enough for us but no harm lost;ย ย Ennis we got a fee for; Forshaw came ok at the end and is an experienced player and Woodrow was a stop gap for depth and not the worst player Iโve seen either. Again, we have a tiny budget but have become accustomed to top half finishes. Thatโs down to recruitment. Mixed in there we have had: Dack, Szmodics, Tronstad, Brittain, Pickering, Hyam, Armstrong, BBD, Kaminski, van Hecke, Ayala, Rothwell, Tosin,ย We have had some players who didnโt turn out the best for us but went on to do well elsewhere - Ayari, Amarii Bell spring to mind immediately. Walton now Ipswich keeper. Overall our recruitment team gets it right more than they get it wrong and with such constraints they deserve a lot of praise for that Who is the worst player you've ever seen? Cos Woodrow looked like he couldn't trap a bag of cement. Absolutely awful player who contributed nothing when we needed reinforcements in the worst way. 1 Quote
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