chaddyrovers Posted July 6 Posted July 6 6 hours ago, roversfan99 said: Being rumoured to be willing and actually spending it are 2 different things. It seems that he was keen to get people to read his article by telling people we had bids around but these are just inquiries. If you actually look at what I said is that the most interesting thing about Nicko's stories was that fact he has reported that the owners are willing to back Ismael cos they like him. Of course we will see if that actually happens but I used that point cos very many members on here had completely missed that point he made. That is all I said. You can read his articles on Sunday in the Sun Newspaper aswell if you want as well as his own account cos times have moved on where very many people actually read newspaper and we have more digitalise world now with social media playing a massive part of people lives. 6 hours ago, roversfan99 said: It doesnt make sense to me for us to be trying to sign a defender aged 27, be unable to bid beyond £1.5m only to then move to a 21 year old who is valued at £3m. Although it seems that we would be willing to pay that either. If Kapuadi is our first choice, surely we would increase that supposed bid from £1.5m considering the gap between that bid and how much our supposed alternative target costs. We want a left footed centre back which is the starting point and you would a few targets on that list and if Kapuadi's bid isn't high enough for his club and depends what his club wants, I wouldn't be paying more than around £2m price for him. If Pye is next on the list and given he has potential and someone a few teams have look at then surely you moved for your next target, also if the owners are willing to back Ismael and Gestede with more money for this sort of target then why wouldn't you moved for him. Hull did it last season for Hughes from Wigan. 6 hours ago, roversfan99 said: It is worth highlighting that Gassama is right footed and often comes in from the left. I think I am correct in saying that anyway as they do have Musaba too. Can do a job right but does it make sense to get someone who prefers to play from the left when its the right where we are particularly weak? Yes I know what footed Gassama is but I know he can play anywhere in the front 3 and he gives you options which is what you want. He has played right, centre and left for Sheffield Wednesday. So I don't see why you are so quick to point negatives all the time. As Dreams said it must be your mindset. The glass is never half full but always half empty. 6 hours ago, roversfan99 said: Its a fair question, I know you cant possibly fathom ever suggesting potential question marks over signings but I think its a fair point. Doesnt mean he wouldnt be a good signing as I would have him down as an improvement on the wingers we have whatever side he played, but I know personally you can never even consider these potential question marks, everything must be perfect. Not an issue, not something you are willing to question and its being negative and moaning if you do. Like I said previously you enjoyed look for negatives/questions marks over everything. Rovers could sign Messi and you would always find a negative or question mark over it 6 hours ago, roversfan99 said: Even if we was to get these 2, I dont think our starting 11 would be stronger. But longer term obviously potentially it would be. The squad would be alot strong and you are bringing in players which fits how Ismael wants to play, The championship season is a squad game where you need 22 players plus over a full season. You aren't going to have squad all of the same qualities but you have a strong squad with has experience but also pace and direct in it. 6 hours ago, roversfan99 said: Mentioning the contracts isnt moaning for the sake of moaning or irrelevant. Its a fundamental and critical aspect of our summer work, we cant just dismiss it. Seemingly, our club do seem keen to dismiss it.  We all know about the contracts situation. Do you need to remind the messageboard every day? of course not, cos we haven't forget about the contracts situation  Quote
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roversfan99 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said: so we should ignore other positions we need signing? we need another 4/5 signings yet What are you on about? I am saying that it is our biggest position of need, therefore I would want a decent chunk of our resources to spent on it if necessary. A 21 year old who has spent all but 6 months playing in Saudi Arabia aside from a Belgian league relegation wouldn't shout to me, without knowing him, a player who is just gonna come in and make that position his own. This has all snowballed from someone saying he is in Manchester so he probably wont be signing anyway. 1 Quote
Backroom Madon Posted July 6 Backroom Posted July 6 10 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said: you buy cheap players from ****knows where and other clubs buy proven performers,one thing is certain,we`ll be relegated.the ****whits running the club are either hell bent on taking us down or they are so stupid they don`t realise what they are doing,love to know what these much vaunted new scouting appointments are doing,have they been sidelined already,a la john parke,the only one who knew what he was doing I've been quite happy with the recent unknown buys. Ohashi and Gueye were pretty steady for their first season in England. Ribeiro looked decent enough and obviously Tronstad has been great. The jury is out on Kargbo and Toth. 8 Quote
roversfan99 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said: so we should ignore other positions we need signing? we need another 4/5 signings yet What are you on about? I am saying that it is our biggest position of need, therefore I would want a decent chunk of our resources to spent on it if necessary. A 21 year old who has spent all but 6 months playing in Saudi Arabia aside from a Belgian league relegation wouldn't shout to me, without knowing him, a player who is just gonna come in and make that position his own. This has all snowballed from someone saying he is in Manchester so he probably wont be signing anyway. Quote
FE123 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 I don’t there’s much room for criticism in the recruitment department. They are coming up with championship level players on a shoe string, not their fault there’s a lack of investment 9 Quote
chaddyrovers Posted July 6 Posted July 6 2 hours ago, roversfan99 said: Its obviously down to personal opinion but I dont understand fully trusting this current (an ever changing part of our club) recruitment set up. Im not saying that a strong distrust is necessary, but at best the jury is out for me. Last seasons higher than expected position was built on a very talented (and now departed manager) getting the best out of a core of predominantly pre existing players signed under other regimes, Brittain/Hyam/Tronstad by Broughton, Dolan by Mowbray, Travis obviously as an academy graduate and then Batth who to be fair was part of last seasons recruitment, albeit had Eustace's prints all over it. last season finish position was down to 2 head coaches, players and everyone stepping up. 2 hours ago, roversfan99 said: There are a lot of signings made under Gestede that at best are yet to prove themselves. 3 cost £1m or at least close to, Kargbo only signed mid way through and got injured so we dont really know either way. Toth only played a few games and didnt have much to do in them so again we dont really know. Gueye we have the most evidence on, only 6 goals and not looking up to it most of the time does not bode well. Cantwell was a high profile signing and he struggled. Ohashi is nothing remarkable but he certainly is a very useful player and more than value for money to be fair. Batth was very good, Beck was good, Ribieiro ok and the rest, best not to say. I don't get your opinion on Ohashi who scored double figures goals after playing 6 months in the J-league and then moving to new country and learning about the championship and English football plus factoring in the culture change aswell something you and others constantly overlook. Ohashi is a good championship striker and I am pleased we have him here. Toth didn't have much to do in those games? you mean his great save at Sheffield United. Why are so quick to dismiss his good spell in the team? Gueye showed his quality after a few months here but his red card against dingles massively affect himself and his confidence. The 2 goals at WBA show his quality  Quote
Paul Mani Posted July 6 Posted July 6 3 hours ago, rigger said: If Dolan isn't careful he will be on the same career path as Nyambe. Called it. Watch… 2 Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted July 6 Posted July 6 9 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: last season finish position was down to 2 head coaches, players and everyone stepping up. I don't get your opinion on Ohashi who scored double figures goals after playing 6 months in the J-league and then moving to new country and learning about the championship and English football plus factoring in the culture change aswell something you and others constantly overlook. Ohashi is a good championship striker and I am pleased we have him here. Toth didn't have much to do in those games? you mean his great save at Sheffield United. Why are so quick to dismiss his good spell in the team? Gueye showed his quality after a few months here but his red card against dingles massively affect himself and his confidence. The 2 goals at WBA show his quality  Agree on Ohashi like Gueye seems a likeable character and a different option but he certainly doesn’t seem to be a Val sort of player Quote
Hasta Posted July 6 Posted July 6 (edited) Looking at fees paid on ‘’unknown gambles’ the last few windows I’d say Ohashi is the only one who I’d say has paid off. And not spectacularly. He’s just better than what we have, because we have very little up top. Gueye has been mediocre so far except for one spell. Toth unproven, but benefits from Pears being not good enough. O’Riordan, Wahlstedt, Telalovic, Kargbo, Edun were the unknown punts who haven’t proven worth the cash, albeit 2 still have time. The better transfers over recent years have either been buying the ‘better’ players from teams below us - Hyam, Sammy, Pickering, Brittain. Also picking up previously proven quality with Baath and Weimann. Rebeiro was decent but free with Championship experience.  That’s the worry. The recruitment team are now forced to operate into the area which has been our least successful area of recruitment. Cheap foreigners. Edited July 6 by Hasta 3 Quote
chaddyrovers Posted July 6 Posted July 6 16 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: Obviously I dont know either way. Why would I? But I also don't know if Alan Nixon knows either way. And before you dig it out, I don't need your list of players that your mate has claimed to reveal prior to signing. We may be interested, I will assume we are to some degree. Although I only care about whether they actually sign, and even he was only claiming inquiries. so just be 100% clear you have no inside info and everything is just personal opinion? Also why don't you assume that we have interest in each player given its been reported now?  14 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: What are you on about? I am saying that it is our biggest position of need, therefore I would want a decent chunk of our resources to spent on it if necessary. A 21 year old who has spent all but 6 months playing in Saudi Arabia aside from a Belgian league relegation wouldn't shout to me, without knowing him, a player who is just gonna come in and make that position his own. This has all snowballed from someone saying he is in Manchester so he probably wont be signing anyway. I would disagree cos I would say another centre back in cos we don't know about Wharton at this minute and don't want to be take any risk with him is just as much as priority as the right wing position for me. I would like those 2 positions sorting this week/before the Everton game. Quote
roversfan99 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: If you actually look at what I said is that the most interesting thing about Nicko's stories was that fact he has reported that the owners are willing to back Ismael cos they like him. Of course we will see if that actually happens but I used that point cos very many members on here had completely missed that point he made. That is all I said. You can read his articles on Sunday in the Sun Newspaper aswell if you want as well as his own account cos times have moved on where very many people actually read newspaper and we have more digitalise world now with social media playing a massive part of people lives. We want a left footed centre back which is the starting point and you would a few targets on that list and if Kapuadi's bid isn't high enough for his club and depends what his club wants, I wouldn't be paying more than around £2m price for him. If Pye is next on the list and given he has potential and someone a few teams have look at then surely you moved for your next target, also if the owners are willing to back Ismael and Gestede with more money for this sort of target then why wouldn't you moved for him. Hull did it last season for Hughes from Wigan. Yes I know what footed Gassama is but I know he can play anywhere in the front 3 and he gives you options which is what you want. He has played right, centre and left for Sheffield Wednesday. So I don't see why you are so quick to point negatives all the time. As Dreams said it must be your mindset. The glass is never half full but always half empty. Like I said previously you enjoyed look for negatives/questions marks over everything. Rovers could sign Messi and you would always find a negative or question mark over it The squad would be alot strong and you are bringing in players which fits how Ismael wants to play, The championship season is a squad game where you need 22 players plus over a full season. You aren't going to have squad all of the same qualities but you have a strong squad with has experience but also pace and direct in it.  We all know about the contracts situation. Do you need to remind the messageboard every day? of course not, cos we haven't forget about the contracts situation  The idea of you of all people suggesting a lack of balance in someones posting is laughable. Its called debate, both positives or negatives. What I have said about and think about Gassama is that he is a good player, hes quick, young and has had a good season just gone. I merely questioned how he would potentially fit into the team, seeing as he is perhaps better suited to being off the left. If you see that as being negative or glass half empty, then that is a problem with you. As we have seen, you simply do not have or choose not to display the ability to question things. You take everything at face value, believe everything and can not fathom any potential questions or doubts that could lead to conundrums or issues down the line. There is no way that there is even a slight doubt to you that any signing will be anything other than a 100% success. I dont think people missed what Nixon said about having money to spend. We have heard it all numerous times before, often though so people dont get all giddy when we see it again. Actions speak louder than words. Again, because its written down, its 100% accurate. 2 Quote
roversfan99 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 12 minutes ago, Paul Mani said: Called it. Watch… Wasnt it your 9 year old daughter that called it? Either way, he wont end up in League 1 on a one year contract. He will either be in the Championship or abroad on a far more competitive salary than he was offered here. Hes nothign special but if we were signing a player that had provided what he did either in the Championship last season or even in a lesser league, we would see it as a very good signing. Quote
chaddyrovers Posted July 6 Posted July 6  translation Tyrhys Dolan is open to joining Samsunspor. The player’s agent is also keen on Samsunspor. No issues here. Scout teams from Premier League’s Wolverhampton have contacted his agent with a verbal offer. Let’s see what the outcome will be of the transfer personally handled by Yüksel Yıldırım  Quote
RoversClitheroe Posted July 6 Posted July 6 28 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: If you actually look at what I said is that the most interesting thing about Nicko's stories was that fact he has reported that the owners are willing to back Ismael cos they like him. Of course we will see if that actually happens but I used that point cos very many members on here had completely missed that point he made. That is all I said. You can read his articles on Sunday in the Sun Newspaper aswell if you want as well as his own account cos times have moved on where very many people actually read newspaper and we have more digitalise world now with social media playing a massive part of people lives. We want a left footed centre back which is the starting point and you would a few targets on that list and if Kapuadi's bid isn't high enough for his club and depends what his club wants, I wouldn't be paying more than around £2m price for him. If Pye is next on the list and given he has potential and someone a few teams have look at then surely you moved for your next target, also if the owners are willing to back Ismael and Gestede with more money for this sort of target then why wouldn't you moved for him. Hull did it last season for Hughes from Wigan. Yes I know what footed Gassama is but I know he can play anywhere in the front 3 and he gives you options which is what you want. He has played right, centre and left for Sheffield Wednesday. So I don't see why you are so quick to point negatives all the time. As Dreams said it must be your mindset. The glass is never half full but always half empty. Like I said previously you enjoyed look for negatives/questions marks over everything. Rovers could sign Messi and you would always find a negative or question mark over it The squad would be alot strong and you are bringing in players which fits how Ismael wants to play, The championship season is a squad game where you need 22 players plus over a full season. You aren't going to have squad all of the same qualities but you have a strong squad with has experience but also pace and direct in it.  We all know about the contracts situation. Do you need to remind the messageboard every day? of course not, cos we haven't forget about the contracts situation  Do you genuinely believe everyone from everything that: Alan Nixon says A 20 follower twitter account says That Pasha is genuinely the COO Every single rumour listed - and then you recommend that exact same signing Applaud 1 communication from the club every 2 years Every signing we make as good Genuine question? Quote
roversfan99 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 27 minutes ago, FE123 said: I don’t there’s much room for criticism in the recruitment department. They are coming up with championship level players on a shoe string, not their fault there’s a lack of investment I think criticism or a lack of is one thing, but to have total faith in this recruitment setup is obviously down to each individual, but IMO misguided and premature. I dont think that the recruitment last season overly improved us, in particular when we spent around £1m. None of Toth, Kargbo and Gueye can be seen as proof that we can trust them implicitly yet, although the first 2 have not had enough game time either way to show. Quote
roversfan99 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 18 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: Agree on Ohashi like Gueye seems a likeable character and a different option but he certainly doesn’t seem to be a Val sort of player Ohashi has been a good signing. Gueye I just dont think is up to it unfortunately. Only 6 goals and a considerably poorer record when he starts games. That West Brom performance seems the exception rather than the rule. 2 1 Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted July 6 Posted July 6 12 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: Wasnt it your 9 year old daughter that called it? Either way, he wont end up in League 1 on a one year contract. He will either be in the Championship or abroad on a far more competitive salary than he was offered here. Hes nothign special but if we were signing a player that had provided what he did either in the Championship last season or even in a lesser league, we would see it as a very good signing. Depends what wage he was coming in on. Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted July 6 Posted July 6 7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: Ohashi has been a good signing. Gueye I just dont think is up to it unfortunately. Only 6 goals and a considerably poorer record when he starts games. That West Brom performance seems the exception rather than the rule. Ohashi nicks the odd goal and presses, but absolutely nothing sticks when he plays as a 9. He's a very good sub. I'd like to see him in a 2 or out wide in a 3. As the lone striker he gets bullied every week and piles the pressure on Rovers as we then don't have an out ball. Quote
roversfan99 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Just now, Exiled_Rover said: Ohashi nicks the odd goal and presses, but absolutely nothing sticks when he plays as a 9. He's a very good sub. I'd like to see him in a 2 or out wide in a 3. As the lone striker he gets bullied every week and piles the pressure on Rovers as we then don't have an out ball. We win far more often when he leads the line compared to Gueye and I dont think thats a coincidence. Quote
Tomphil2 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 28 minutes ago, Paul Mani said: Called it. Watch… No chance, watch.... He might even fancy being a mercenary though to be fair if he thinks he can earn more brass moving around short term. Quote
simongarnerisgod Posted July 6 Posted July 6 i reckon we`ll see some movement in our transfers this week,in`s and out`s,doubtful we`ll be paying for the stockport lad or gassama and it`ll be more random signings from exotic places in europe nobody has heard of Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted July 6 Posted July 6 24 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: Ohashi has been a good signing. Gueye I just dont think is up to it unfortunately. Only 6 goals and a considerably poorer record when he starts games. That West Brom performance seems the exception rather than the rule. What I would say though in his first season he already equalled Gallaghers goal contributions in any season he played. He’s clearly not going to be the goal scoring 9 but if he’s offering more than our previous 9 already then I’m happy to give him another season to see if there is improvement 4 Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted July 6 Posted July 6 44 minutes ago, Paul Mani said: Called it. Watch… So, if he ends up on the same career path as Nyambe that'll be playing for another Championship Club on more money? 2 Quote
bazza Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Didn't realise Nyambe was at Derby. They'll soon be changing their name to Derby Rovers. 3 Quote
BankEnd Rover Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Not sure if it's true or if it's just being recycled. Â Quote
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