2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[47er]

22 hours ago, alexanders said:

 I agree that Venkys have been horrible owners in a lot of aspects, but it is impossible to say if we would be better off with other owners

What sort of vanilla argument is that? You agree that "Venkys have been horrible owners in a lot of aspects" (interested in how that implies they have been good owners in other aspects---care to share that, I must have missed it?).

"It's impossible to say we would be better off with other owners"--- of course it is! You're stating a  hypothesis which is incapable of being contradicted!

In the real world what's the chances of new owners being better than Venkys? 99.99999% recurring?

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by 47er

[bluebruce]

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but some of the relegation odds are out. William Hill, SkyBet and Paddy Power, as far as I can see. The most generous (as in lucrative) odds offered are 6-1, which in a table of most generous odds puts as the 8th most likely team to be relegated. Sheff W are most likely at 1.62 to 1, and at the other end of the spectrum are Ipswich at 101 to 1. So whoever in this thread was saying we were 350 to 1 couldn't be more wrong.

A glance around tells me more bookies than that are giving odds, like Betfred, offering 5.5 for us, but this is just what shows on Oddschecker. Looks like the bookies fancy us to struggle this season despite finishing 7th, and I'm sure most of us can see why.

Personally I'm very confused at why everyone thinks Ipswich are most likely to win the league, but hey. I guess it's because of Leicester's likely points deduction and Southampton having such an awful season last year, making Ipswich theoretically the best of the three relegated...but personally I doubt they finish top 2.

[roversfan99]

Ipswich have a lot of players that are stand out Championship players that are unlikely to get Premier League moves. Greaves, Philogene, Clarke, Szmodics, Davis, Broadhead, Chaplin, O'Shea etc. Can see why they would be favourites.

Even though they were so bad last year, it says a lot about the gap between the leagues that Southampton also have lots of really good Championship players. Leicester are the ones of the 3 who maybe look the least likely even before a points deduction.

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7 hours ago, bluebruce said:

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but some of the relegation odds are out. William Hill, SkyBet and Paddy Power, as far as I can see. The most generous (as in lucrative) odds offered are 6-1, which in a table of most generous odds puts as the 8th most likely team to be relegated. Sheff W are most likely at 1.62 to 1, and at the other end of the spectrum are Ipswich at 101 to 1. So whoever in this thread was saying we were 350 to 1 couldn't be more wrong.

A glance around tells me more bookies than that are giving odds, like Betfred, offering 5.5 for us, but this is just what shows on Oddschecker. Looks like the bookies fancy us to struggle this season despite finishing 7th, and I'm sure most of us can see why.

Personally I'm very confused at why everyone thinks Ipswich are most likely to win the league, but hey. I guess it's because of Leicester's likely points deduction and Southampton having such an awful season last year, making Ipswich theoretically the best of the three relegated...but personally I doubt they finish top 2.

I said we were 350/1 however that was what came up from a search I did. 

[Mercer]

8 hours ago, bluebruce said:

Any of our players could get injured. That's what happens when you play football.

Oh but we will lose the transfer income? That we have been told won't be reinvested? Yeh I don't give a shit.

We will also have a very disaffected footballer on our books who will deeply harbour the notion we have denied him an opportunity.  That is no good for the club.  His race is run here and he needs to be out the door.

[alexanders]

8 hours ago, 47er said:

What sort of vanilla argument is that? You agree that "Venkys have been horrible owners in a lot of aspects" (interested in how that implies they have been good owners in other aspects---care to share that, I must have missed it?).

"It's impossible to say we would be better off with other owners"--- of course it is! You're stating a  hypothesis which is incapable of being contradicted!

In the real world what's the chances of new owners being better than Venkys? 99.99999% recurring?

 

 

They did destroy the club from the off, and the Steve Kean era was absolutely devastating. It felt like slow torture that never ended. I was at Stamford bridge when we got relegated and it was not the club I had fallen in love with. 
 

Slowly they have taken better decisions. They have invested a lot in our academy which is of great importance for a small club like ours (attendance, turnover etc). 

over two the part about the summer transfers:

We have a wage/turnover ration we have to live by. We didn’t have to that under Jack. This is what makes the football world extremely difficult nowadays. Those American owners (having entered the marked lately) have a completely different nous for social media, media expose and how to create turnovers. 
 

I remember at the time the potential owner who went on to buy Racing Santander. We would not be better off with him. Let’s talk about the Cardiff owner, Sheff wed. At least Venkys doesn’t send us to misery and for me after Mowbray came in the family feel for the club came back. We have a lot to be proud of and we are pushing for playoff every season. Never a dull game. Homegrown talents. 

over to the part about the summer transfers:

I mean, this is just my opinion. Not everything works and is rousy, but as I said earlier; every transfer comes with a risk and you are taking to big of a risk by having too much players without any resell value; this is both Weimann and Batth. Likely not the smallest wages coming from several clubs having increased their wages everytime. Then I am more in favor of saving those wages to be able to give more wages to an exciting prospect from our own academy (such as Trav) or when we try to aquire someone: 

We did say the exact same things last summer and then both Gueye and Ohashi got signed late July and then Cantwell and Toth, all money signings. 

Edited 36 minutes ago by alexanders

[47er]

24 minutes ago, alexanders said:

They did destroy the club from the off, and the Steve Kean era was absolutely devastating. It felt like slow torture that never ended. I was at Stamford bridge when we got relegated and it was not the club I had fallen in love with. 
 

Slowly they have taken better decisions. They have invested a lot in our academy which is of great importance for a small club like ours (attendance, turnover etc). 

over two the part about the summer transfers:

We have a wage/turnover ration we have to live by. We didn’t have to that under Jack. This is what makes the football world extremely difficult nowadays. Those American owners (having entered the marked lately) have a completely different nous for social media, media expose and how to create turnovers. 
 

I remember at the time the potential owner who went on to buy Racing Santander. We would not be better off with him. Let’s talk about the Cardiff owner, Sheff wed. At least Venkys doesn’t send us to misery and for me after Mowbray came in the family feel for the club came back. We have a lot to be proud of and we are pushing for playoff every season. Never a dull game. Homegrown talents. 

over to the part about the summer transfers:

I mean, this is just my opinion. Not everything works and is rousy, but as I said earlier; every transfer comes with a risk and you are taking to big of a risk by having too much players without any resell value; this is both Weimann and Batth. Likely not the smallest wages coming from several clubs having increased their wages everytime. Then I am more in favor of saving those wages to be able to give more wages to an exciting prospect from our own academy (such as Trav) or when we try to aquire someone: 

We did say the exact same things last summer and then both Gueye and Ohashi got signed late July and then Cantwell and Toth, all money signings. 

We were the 2nd lowest spenders last season after Rotherham. To say we over-achieved is a big under-statement.

As for the wage/turnover issue, we are well clear of difficulty there after sales but hardly any money is ever made available for transfers.

As for the Academy, I'm suggesting that while we think its there to provide players for the first team squad, increasingly its looking like its there to earn money to keep the club going. And, of course, while they're here these young players are cheap.

As for "we have a lot to be proud of" tell that to the women's team. In truth we have a lot to be ashamed of and so much to be angry about. The club is dying season by season.

No better decisions, it's a tale of wasted opportunities which suck the life-blood out of us and will lead to relegation and administration. That's my firm belief. You'll call it negativity, I'll call it realism.

And as for Racing Santander and the rest, what about Wrexham or even Bolton and Burnley? No good telling me things could be worse. Venkys have had 15 years and things get worse every season.

[Waggy76]

37 minutes ago, alexanders said:

They did destroy the club from the off, and the Steve Kean era was absolutely devastating. It felt like slow torture that never ended. I was at Stamford bridge when we got relegated and it was not the club I had fallen in love with. 
 

Slowly they have taken better decisions. They have invested a lot in our academy which is of great importance for a small club like ours (attendance, turnover etc). 

over two the part about the summer transfers:

We have a wage/turnover ration we have to live by. We didn’t have to that under Jack. This is what makes the football world extremely difficult nowadays. Those American owners (having entered the marked lately) have a completely different nous for social media, media expose and how to create turnovers. 
 

I remember at the time the potential owner who went on to buy Racing Santander. We would not be better off with him. Let’s talk about the Cardiff owner, Sheff wed. At least Venkys doesn’t send us to misery and for me after Mowbray came in the family feel for the club came back. We have a lot to be proud of and we are pushing for playoff every season. Never a dull game. Homegrown talents. 

over to the part about the summer transfers:

I mean, this is just my opinion. Not everything works and is rousy, but as I said earlier; every transfer comes with a risk and you are taking to big of a risk by having too much players without any resell value; this is both Weimann and Batth. Likely not the smallest wages coming from several clubs having increased their wages everytime. Then I am more in favor of saving those wages to be able to give more wages to an exciting prospect from our own academy (such as Trav) or when we try to aquire someone: 

We did say the exact same things last summer and then both Gueye and Ohashi got signed late July and then Cantwell and Toth, all money signings. 

When Venkys took over , we were in the top ten of the Premier League .

I rest my case !