2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[JHRover]

I don't consider it crazy any more. It is clear that we are behind most, if not all, other Championship clubs when it comes to offering good contracts to potential players.

We seem to have a policy of not offering long term deals, even the recent McLoughlin signing bizarrely limited to 2 years. This is important in negotiations as many players, particularly those in their  mid to late 20s, will expect 3-4 year deals. 

We have seen recently that Derby County are a more attractive prospect than we are these days - finances will be a part of that - Eustace, his staff, Weimann and Batth all more attracted to what they offer than what we do. This despite the fact that they were in administration and League One very recently and have well publicised financial limitations under their current owner, with him seeking external investment to help. 

We have seen PNE and Millwall spending or trying to spend money that we haven't seen spent here in many a year, despite them bringing in less than us from sales. 

Oxford are investing and recently signed a player we were supposedly keen on but couldn't get done. 

I'd really like to know who people think offers less money than Rovers these days. Probably Sheffield Wednesday at the moment. I suspect that's the end of the list. 

[alexanders]

I can understand the Weimann issue, but he is 34. He came back now for Derby after an injury. He is a player that takes care of himself, but he can easily become an expensive sick note. 
 

 

[RoversClitheroe]

2 minutes ago, alexanders said:

I can understand the Weimann issue, but he is 34. He came back now for Derby after an injury. He is a player that takes care of himself, but he can easily become an expensive sick note. 
 

 

He scored 10 goals last season no?

[USABlue]

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

Come on Chaddy - at least 6 of the 8 I mentioned were reported in the LT !!!  Also stated Rovers were apart on valuations - no surprise there.

Again, you are trying to defend the indefensible - get your head out of the sand lad!

I wasn't thinking sand, you two can be entertaining.

[joey_big_nose]

6 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I don't consider it crazy any more. It is clear that we are behind most, if not all, other Championship clubs when it comes to offering good contracts to potential players.

We seem to have a policy of not offering long term deals, even the recent McLoughlin signing bizarrely limited to 2 years. This is important in negotiations as many players, particularly those in their  mid to late 20s, will expect 3-4 year deals. 

We have seen recently that Derby County are a more attractive prospect than we are these days - finances will be a part of that - Eustace, his staff, Weimann and Batth all more attracted to what they offer than what we do. This despite the fact that they were in administration and League One very recently and have well publicised financial limitations under their current owner, with him seeking external investment to help. 

We have seen PNE and Millwall spending or trying to spend money that we haven't seen spent here in many a year, despite them bringing in less than us from sales. 

Oxford are investing and recently signed a player we were supposedly keen on but couldn't get done. 

I'd really like to know who people think offers less money than Rovers these days. Probably Sheffield Wednesday at the moment. I suspect that's the end of the list. 

Hmmm, I broadly agree but not as pessimistic. I think we probably are offering simlar to mid bottom half teams.

This is actually a question we can come up with a concrete answer for by looking at the published accounts I think? Which don't break down per player but do show overall wages. There must be site that shows the wage bills by club for the last accounting period? 2023/2024 I guess?

[alexanders]

2 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

He scored 10 goals last season no?

He did, but didn’t he tear his meniscus or something in March and was out for the rest of the season? Just came back and got 30 minutes for Derby in pre-season. 
 

to be honest: would we be happy with us taking someone who came from a severe injury, 34 year old and didn’t get a proper pre-season? 
 

I can understand why we didn’t make a lot of efforts to maintain him, and he has a longer history with Derby and history with JE 

[benhben]

I'm not that fussed about Weimann, He chipped in with a few goals, but he also didn't offer much in terms or running, pressing etc and is another year and another injury later.  Id rather replace him with someone younger. 

Bath is a big loss though, both on the pitch and off it. Real shame he sees Derby as a better option. Sign of where we are at these days. 

Edited 23 hours ago by benhben

[KentExile]

28 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Hmmm, I broadly agree but not as pessimistic. I think we probably are offering simlar to mid bottom half teams.

This is actually a question we can come up with a concrete answer for by looking at the published accounts I think? Which don't break down per player but do show overall wages. There must be site that shows the wage bills by club for the last accounting period? 2023/2024 I guess?

I posted something along those lines a couple of summers back.  Obviously those are now essentially 3 years out of date as they were for the accounting period 21/22.

What I will state is that we have seen a further real terms  (inflation etc) reduction in the costs of the playing staff compared to our Championship Rivals since this period

I had to go into the individual accounts for each club individually to find the figures as they did not seem to be collated anywhere that I  could find

 

Edit - maybe this twitter account has collated this information at some point, might be worth an ask

Edited 22 hours ago by KentExile

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1 hour ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

What the feck have they got Players wearing our Shirt when they have not signed yet..just stupid!

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16 minutes ago, benhben said:

I'm not that fussed about Weimann, He chipped in with a few goals, but he also didn't offer much in terms or running, pressing etc and is another year and another injury later.  Id rather replace him with someone younger. 

Bath is a big loss though, both on the pitch and off it. Real shame he sees Derby as a better option. Sign of where we are at these days. 

Agreed 👍  although weimann did bring that knowledge and experience of being in the right places to be fair. I can't see him affecting us if he gets minutes v Rovers

[alexanders]

Danny Batth turns 35. He was a very solid player, especially with Wharton out. With him back in all honestly it makes sense to not give him another year. Look at Sunderland where he came from. They took the chance even though he was quite a useful player for them. 

[roverandout]

18 minutes ago, alexanders said:

Danny Batth turns 35. He was a very solid player, especially with Wharton out. With him back in all honestly it makes sense to not give him another year. Look at Sunderland where he came from. They took the chance even though he was quite a useful player for them. 

Batth is still a superior player to wharton

[Damien]

59 minutes ago, alexanders said:

I can understand the Weimann issue, but he is 34. He came back now for Derby after an injury. He is a player that takes care of himself, but he can easily become an expensive sick note. 
 

 

Is it just me or is anyone else annoyed that Weimann elected to have surgery whilst being paid by rovers to be fit for the next season. Only then to fuck off to a rival?

[Tomphil2]

3 minutes ago, Damien said:

Is it just me or is anyone else annoyed that Weimann elected to have surgery whilst being paid by rovers to be fit for the next season. Only then to fuck off to a rival?

Says just as much about this stupid set up as it does about him.

[KentExile]

6 minutes ago, Damien said:

Is it just me or is anyone else annoyed that Weimann elected to have surgery whilst being paid by rovers to be fit for the next season. Only then to fuck off to a rival?

I would be more interested to know if Rovers actually offered him a contract before his surgery?

If they had done so, then maybe he would have signed it and wouldn't now be at a rival club

Edited 22 hours ago by KentExile

[RevidgeBlue]

27 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Batth is still a superior player to wharton

I thought Batth was brilliant for us but a fully fit  Wharton is our best CB imo.

Would have loved to have seen them play together. Anyone saying Batth isn't a big loss is just being silly imo.

[Theaxe15]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

I thought Batth was brilliant for us but a fully fit  Wharton is our best CB imo.

Would have loved to have seen them play together. Anyone saying Batth isn't a big loss is just being silly imo.

Agree with Batth being a big loss. Wharton has never been our best CB though. Can have great games, but concentration, pace, distribution all big issues for him.

[davulsukur]

19 minutes ago, KentExile said:

I would be more interested to know if Rovers actually offered him a contract before his surgery?

If they had done so, then maybe he would have signed it and wouldn't now be at a rival club

I doubt we would have done. We will have waited to see how severe the injury was first. Which is a fairly sensible move but we then ran the risk of not showing enough loyalty to him and as has happened, he took a better offer.

Had that contract been offered shortly after he picked up his injury, he probably would have signed it but then he could have been out for longer and then we'd all be kicking off that we signed him up for another year and wasted all those wages.

In fairness, it was a slightly difficult situation, depending on when we knew how long he'd be out for.

JE could have been in his ear from the moment he got the Derby job as well tbf, so he might never have signed it.

[RevidgeBlue]

9 hours ago, USABlue said:

Don't let these silly facts get in the way.

The point with Wharton I think is that if we had not been so desperate to shove him out of the door to keep the lights on when we did, there would have been a lot more interest the following summer and we'd have achieved a much better fee.

£18m was ludicrous given the general state of the market both then and now.

[roverandout]

20 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I thought Batth was brilliant for us but a fully fit  Wharton is our best CB imo.

Would have loved to have seen them play together. Anyone saying Batth isn't a big loss is just being silly imo.

Wharton always has a brain fart moment 

[philipl]

If we have ambition, both Weiman and Baath had the possibility of being big players for us in a promotion push this season.

As a Pasha cash management operation, neither player would feature in Rovers operations and Derby have done Pasha a big favour.

As for signing a Saudi international, I hope the loaning club are paying a chunk of his wages...

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, philipl said:

As for signing a Saudi international, I hope the loaning club are paying a chunk of his wages...

Story sounds fake.

Why would the selling Club prefer a loan to a loan with a view? You'd have thought it would be the other way round.

[KentExile]

3 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Story sounds fake.

Why would the selling Club prefer a loan to a loan with a view? You'd have thought it would be the other way round.

2 options

1 - If they didn't want to sell him, just want to get him some playing time, improve him for their own squad next season

or

2 - They think that given a year in the Championship, the fee they could demand for him next summer is far in excess of what they could ask for now/be agreed in any loan to buy agreement

Edited 21 hours ago by KentExile

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, benhben said:

I'm not that fussed about Weimann, He chipped in with a few goals, but he also didn't offer much in terms or running, pressing etc and is another year and another injury later.  Id rather replace him with someone younger.  

I wasn't overly concerned when Weimann left but the point with him is that he did chip in from time to time and prove himself a very useful squad member and he hasnt been replaced.

I was concerned about the prospect of Dolan leaving and he hasnt been replaced either.

14 goals and two senior bodies down from a squad that wasn't exactly freescoring in the first place

[RevidgeBlue]

4 minutes ago, KentExile said:

2 options

1 - If they didn't want to sell him, just want to get him some playing time, improve him for their own squad next season

or

2 - They think that given a year in the Championship, the fee they could demand for him next summer is far in excess of what they could ask for now/be agreed in any loan to buy agreement

Maybe with the second one, first one, just play him in your own team then!

Until it happens as with all transfer rumours involving us I'll take it with a lorry load of salt.

If there's any mileage in it though, not for the first time this summer we seem to be seeking a deal completely different from what the selling Club want.

"£4m ? How does £1.5m sound?"

"We know we agreed a deal but our medical has uncovered a minor problem that might flare up in future. We'll offer a pay as you play arrangement."

"You'll ONLY willing to let him go out on loan? Can we have a loan with a view?"

Creates the impression of activity I suppose.