M_B Posted August 27 Posted August 27 22 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said: Just a bit, last Friday it was all doom and gloom. Rudy and Suhail were the devils' incarnate. One really good win and one promising looking signing on the right wing later and all of a sudden Travis was always crap and this new strategy might actually be the way to go etc. etc. And the plastic snake manufacturers will no doubt have a beano in November. I mean, we dont even know if Travis's replacement, Baradji, is fit , or out for a lengthy period and if the latter, how long for. The fickleness of the football fan. It works both ways. Fickle? You're not kidding, he's gone from captain of the rubber dinghy men to irreplaceable.ย 2 Quote
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roversfan99 Posted August 27 Posted August 27 7 minutes ago, Ricky said: Itโs interesting that even after Morsy left in the summer Ipswich didnโt make a move for Travis. You would have thought he may have been on their radar if he was rated during the loan spell there.ย Ipswich didnt really see him play though, no slight on him, it seemingly was an opportunistic temporary deal to bolster the squad but Morsy and Luongo at the time were outstanding.ย Plus they are about to sign their second midfielder of the summer for ยฃ10m. They are fishing above that. Quote
47er Posted August 27 Posted August 27 1 hour ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: Then she should tell usย She owes you does she? Quote
chaddyrovers Posted August 28 Posted August 28 12 hours ago, roversfan99 said: As @MarkBRFCย mentioned, it was part of the plan. Gestede said one of the summer priorities was getting someone to compete with Ohashi and Gueye. Then it dropped off. Have you listen to Elliott Jackson's podcast on this?ย 8 hours ago, davulsukur said: A lot of pressure on Baradji actually being decent. I'd start Trav over Taveres any day, so big shoes for the new guy to fill. (if he's even fit to play) On Elliott Jackson podcast, he said Ismael and Gestede were big fans on Baradji and even after medical problems they want him.ย 1 Quote
bluebruce Posted August 28 Posted August 28 7 hours ago, rigger said: Cantwell strikes me as a better footballer than Travis. Wasn't the question though. Quote
USABlue Posted August 28 Posted August 28 Some of what I have read makes it seem like the "family" club is being totally destroyed to be more like boot camp? There's good and bad in that but reading the names Garner, Faz, Sir Rog makes me feel perhaps more bad than goodย Quote
RoversClitheroe Posted August 28 Posted August 28 6 hours ago, chaddyrovers said: Have you listen to Elliott Jackson's podcast on this?ย On Elliott Jackson podcast, he said Ismael and Gestede were big fans on Baradji and even after medical problems they want him.ย ย They can want him all they like. He's only a loan. Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted August 28 Posted August 28 17 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said: ย They can want him all they like. He's only a loan. With an optionย 2 Quote
Old Codger Posted August 28 Posted August 28 18 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said: ย They can want him all they like. He's only a loan. Does that mean he'll be training by himself? I'll get my coat. 4 Quote
RoversClitheroe Posted August 28 Posted August 28 10 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: With an optionย No one knows the option? If they really thought he was such a good player - theyd have made it a permanent transfer. Quote
roversfan99 Posted August 28 Posted August 28 To be fair, it was going to be permanent until injury. Nothing to do with rating him or not. 3 Quote
roverblue Posted August 28 Posted August 28 Think quite a few are getting carried away after our win on Saturday against an abysmal Hull team. This transfer window had been nothing but a downgrade replacing experienced championship pros with foreign gambles on low wages/low fees. Having said that the signings of Morishita and Baradji have stepped up the quality of incomings all of a sudden so perhaps the message has landed at the club somehow. If we can bring in one or two experienced or similar stature strikers then things would be looking a lot more promising otherwise I am still expecting a relegation scrap of a season. 1 Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted August 28 Posted August 28 16 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said: No one knows the option? If they really thought he was such a good player - theyd have made it a permanent transfer. The option is to buyย of all things wrong this was one of the most sensible things done given the injury. If he performs and stays fit and meets their obvious high expectations for him then great we will take the option and sign him. If he doesnโt hit the heights or canโt stay fit then we wonโtย 1 1 Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted August 28 Posted August 28 11 minutes ago, roverblue said: Think quite a few are getting carried away after our win on Saturday against an abysmal Hull team. This transfer window had been nothing but a downgrade replacing experienced championship pros with foreign gambles on low wages/low fees. Having said that the signings of Morishita and Baradji have stepped up the quality of incomings all of a sudden so perhaps the message has landed at the club somehow. If we can bring in one or two experienced or similar stature strikers then things would be looking a lot more promising otherwise I am still expecting a relegation scrap of a season. I donโt get that argument at all this early in the season tbh an abysmal hull? Based on what in their opening two games? ย 3 Quote
roverblue Posted August 28 Posted August 28 2 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: I donโt get that argument at all this early in the season tbh an abysmal hull? Based on what in their opening two games? ย Based on that I watched the game and they looked a league two side. We could have scored 10. Quote
Moderation Lead Popular Post K-Hod Posted August 28 Moderation Lead Popular Post Posted August 28 So, let me get this straight. It's now the fault of Brittain, Dolan, Travis and the former player liaison officer for being bitter, greedy, or whatever else and not those in charge who've been clueless since pretty much when they arrived, have a plan? This a parallel universe? 13 1 Quote
RoversClitheroe Posted August 28 Posted August 28 1 minute ago, K-Hod said: So, let me get this straight. It's now the fault of Brittain, Dolan, Travis and the former player liaison officer and those in charge who've been clueless since pretty much when they arrived, have a plan? This a parallel universe? Honestly baffling, our fan base are so fickle it's laughable and sad. 3 Quote
Neal Posted August 28 Posted August 28 23 minutes ago, roverblue said: Think quite a few are getting carried away after our win on Saturday against an abysmal Hull team. This transfer window had been nothing but a downgrade replacing experienced championship pros with foreign gambles on low wages/low fees. Having said that the signings of Morishita and Baradji have stepped up the quality of incomings all of a sudden so perhaps the message has landed at the club somehow. If we can bring in one or two experienced or similar stature strikers then things would be looking a lot more promising otherwise I am still expecting a relegation scrap of a season. You're presuming there. 3 games into the season isn't enough of a sample size to decide if who has been brought in are downgrades.ย ย Don't get me wrong, I'm not naive enough to think cutting expenditure isn't a factor in player turnover either.ย ย Let's be honest though, how many players can you think of over the years have left and improved? Szmodics, Lennihan, Diaz, Armstrong, Rhodes, Gestede there's many others I've probably forgotten... All played their best football for us, then left and fallen off big time.ย ย Brittain and Travis won't play any better than they have for us. They move on, we move on. At least we move on with younger players with more potential.ย 1 1 Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted August 28 Posted August 28 17 minutes ago, roverblue said: Based on that I watched the game and they looked a league two side. We could have scored 10. As can happen with performances sometimes but the were unbeaten had went to free scoring and promotion challenging Coventry and got a great draw away from home before scoring 4 themselves in their first home openerย could they be awful down the line quite possibly but this early on downplaying a victory is weirdย 3 Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted August 28 Posted August 28 9 minutes ago, K-Hod said: So, let me get this straight. It's now the fault of Brittain, Dolan, Travis and the former player liaison officer for being bitter, greedy, or whatever else and not those in charge who've been clueless since pretty much when they arrived, have a plan? This a parallel universe? Iโd exclude Dolan from that list he was never signing on hereย Quote
BRFC. Posted August 28 Posted August 28 17 minutes ago, K-Hod said: So, let me get this straight. It's now the fault of Brittain, Dolan, Travis and the former player liaison officer for being bitter, greedy, or whatever else and not those in charge who've been clueless since pretty much when they arrived, have a plan? This a parallel universe? They hit the jackpot with this fanbaseย 2 1 Quote
Danny O.Brien Posted August 28 Posted August 28 Maybe stupidly but I'm fairly optimistic haha I know we've lost a lot of experience and ideally you'd spread that over 2/3 windows but the club won't lose players on a free anymore so if nothing else that is progress. I think it's far too early to judge any of the new signings individually. Id say the west brom game we deserved at least a point. Bradford was abysmal. Birmingham we played well, got caught with a sucker punch of a penalty. Usually we would then fold but instead were on the front foot and got caught on the break. It happens but I'd say thats progress. Saturday we really saw the potential of this squad. I don't care how good or bad Hull played. This is the championship the most unpredictable league in the world. We played as good as we ever did under jdt or Eustace. Id say Travis was the last remaining remnant of the mowbray era. A team that had promised a lot at times but never delivered. A team that never even made the play offs. Stagnent and just rinsing and repeating season after season. We can now spend the season concentrating on results instead of who's going to leave in the summer. Will they sign? Won't they sign? Everyone who wanted to leave has done. So good or bad these new players will be different, hopefully we can go on and play like Saturday because if nothing else it was exciting and entertaining. I definitely believe there are at least three worse teams than us and in this league everyone not battling relegation should have their sights on trying to make the play offs. Quote
Eddie Posted August 28 Posted August 28 16 minutes ago, K-Hod said: So, let me get this straight. It's now the fault of Brittain, Dolan, Travis and the former player liaison officer for being bitter, greedy, or whatever else and not those in charge who've been clueless since pretty much when they arrived, have a plan? This a parallel universe? It is possible for people on both sides to be wrong.ย I'm certainly not defending the club and have strong opinions on the culture and people in senior leadership positions, but I also believe that certain players and (former) staff may be taking advantage of that situation. There were clearly people within the club and the team who were happy to sow seeds of discontent. They're not exactly hiding it. Regardless of what else is going on, that isn't good for the club. Not only that, when it comes to highly paid footballers, that's something that I just can't abide by. Look at how poorly the Sheffield Wednesday staff and players have been treated over the last few months. It's on a different level to even our fiascos, but you still had players rallying around, showing commitment to the club, and focusing on improving the situation. I can understand why players want to leave, and do. I can understand why staff feel mistreated. But you should have enough respect for this club not to be openly mocking the club in public. That's all I ask. It's not asking a lot. As I've said previously, what they're doing is foolish. It makes it seem like those in the leadership positions may have been right about them.ย 7 Quote
Moderation Lead K-Hod Posted August 28 Moderation Lead Posted August 28 Just now, Eddie said: It is possible for people on both sides to be wrong.ย I'm certainly not defending the club and have strong opinions on the culture and people in senior leadership positions, but I also believe that certain players and (former) staff may be taking advantage of that situation. There were clearly people within the club and the team who were happy to sow seeds of discontent. They're not exactly hiding it. Regardless of what else is going on, that isn't good for the club. Not only that, when it comes to highly paid footballers, that's something that I just can't abide by. Look at how poorly the Sheffield Wednesday staff and players have been treated over the last few months. It's on a different level to even our fiascos, but you still had players rallying around, showing commitment to the club, and focusing on improving the situation. I can understand why players want to leave, and do. I can understand why staff feel mistreated. But you should have enough respect for this club not to be openly mocking the club in public. That's all I ask. It's not asking a lot. As I've said previously, what they're doing is foolish. It makes it seem like those in the leadership positions may have been right about them.ย So, let's pretend this isn't football. You're being treated badly at work, you are a popular member of staff, made redundant and then (allegedly) replaced by someone close to a member of senior management.ย Not think they've a right to have their say? Or even, people not being paid what counterparts doing the same job at other firms are, seek parity with their peers, they get said parity only to be villainised. Football is a job to these guys. 1 Quote
yeti-dog Posted August 28 Posted August 28 9 hours ago, DeeCee said: Is it me or do I detect a swing towards RG's and VI'sย management strategy? I can only speak for myself. As others have said maybe the time is ripe for a new approach. I'm not naive and can see this is intrinsically linked to reducing the wage bill but irrespective of that I'm liking some of the the signings and the energy they give off.ย The performance against Hull was really promising. More performances like that and we'll win more than we lose. Some have countered by saying Hull were poor, maybe so, but you can only beat what's in front of you. It's ultimately all about results and RG and VI will live or die by theirs. It's nothing to do with a 'swing' towards them, not from my perspective anyway. This season could be chicken shit or chicken salad, let's see how we go. Finally, would I still like new owners? Absolutely! 3 Quote
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