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Yeah there was always going to be a pay day spike, just like there would be end of May, June and even July. Arsing about with phases though means that will pretty much be it after today.

Unless of course we somehow manage play-off glory but that's a huge stretch.

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Genuinely surprised how many are saying 'Hardest season ticket renewal in my life' etc..

What about the early days.. Chaos, discontent off the scale..  We've had some really, really bleak periods.. Worse, I would argue than now..

Just interested to know why not then and now has renewing a season ticket caused so much internal tension?

 

 

 

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We lost half our ST holders between 2010 and 2012, so that chaos did take its toll on our support… and it’s never recovered.

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I have just weakened and renewed. I feel a bit ashamed and a little disheartened as I had resolved to support any coordinated and public clarion call not to renew / buy ST’s but it never came from either the coalition or WATR.

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Football is about results, we suddenly started getting them and are now potentially one win away from our best finish in 13 years, a first play off campaign in 33 years.

So of course any momentum against the regime has stalled as most fans want to just focus on the team. It’s the long game as we are never far from the next debacle here, and I’m sure Glen knows that.

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1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

We lost half our ST holders between 2010 and 2012, so that chaos did take its toll on our support… and it’s never recovered.

It did that..  I just would have thought that it would have been, in that particular period, renewing ones season ticket would have been more difficult due to the tensions (which have never really subsided)..   

Now, the way club is operating is how it's operated for a while- I'm just trying to understand the distinction between then and now..

If the people running the club want to attract fans the equation is pretty simple: Ambition + Investment + Entertaining football= More fans...

Speculate to accumulate...

 

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People are primarily interested in results and the first team. As long as there's a team and manager on that pitch at Ewood every fortnight that they feel they can get behind and delivers a certain minimum then they will be happy, and will be able to close their mind to and ignore ownership, board, decay of the club as though they aren't there/aren't happening.

It felt like things were at breaking point in March because there was a perfect combination of off the pitch fiasco combined with the worst run of results imaginable just as Ismael arrived, and then the stooges did their interviews and everyone, even those who try to pretend all is well with the world, could see for themselves just what we have here, whereas previously with the radio silence they could just trot down to Ewood once a fortnight and all appears fine. Obviously the decision of Eustace to walk out on the club in February to join a relegation battle doesn't quite fit in with the 'hunky dory' image some want to believe in and made quite a few wake up to what is going on.

Just in the nick of time both for this season and for renewals Ismael has managed to arrest the situation. The stooges must be counting their blessings big time because it could so easily have gone out with a whimper, instead the run and taking it to the last day has whetted appetites and persuaded many to cave in before the deadline.

We know from experience that if something is going well this regime will find a way to put a stop to it - either by forcing the manager out or by dismantling the team - so another round of chaos and anger is never going to be far away.

 

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7 minutes ago, Bohinen1983 said:

 

Now, the way club is operating is how it's operated for a while- I'm just trying to understand the distinction between then and now..

 

 

I'm not sure we are operating the same as we have done for a while. The last couple of years we've taken another turn for the worse hence two good managers very quickly getting the hell out of here, no contract renewals and just about every player of value being run out of the club in one form or another.

When you reach a stage where you won't even try to keep your better players, won't reinvest any money and Derby County/unemployment are considered preferable to a play-off position here then you know you are in the end game and I think a lot of people can see that.

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1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

We lost half our ST holders between 2010 and 2012, so that chaos did take its toll on our support… and it’s never recovered.

They never ever acknowledged that nor did anything to get them back and now to these lot they just look back and shrug.

Oh they all cleared off because we dropped out the Prem so they're gone for good.

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1 hour ago, Bohinen1983 said:

It did that..  I just would have thought that it would have been, in that particular period, renewing ones season ticket would have been more difficult due to the tensions (which have never really subsided)..   

Now, the way club is operating is how it's operated for a while- I'm just trying to understand the distinction between then and now..

If the people running the club want to attract fans the equation is pretty simple: Ambition + Investment + Entertaining football= More fans...

Speculate to accumulate...

 

I'd imagine discontent + sky deal makes it tricky to justify the cost and disruption to life and plans. The lack of 3pm Saturdays is unprecedented.

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12 hours ago, M_B said:

Four of us renewed today. There are 10 in our group all together, all renewed.

Well done and fair play to you....just a shame our Owners will not show the same financial commitment nor interest in the Club.

We are indeed on our own.

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7 minutes ago, Bronzed A Donis said:

I'd imagine discontent + sky deal makes it tricky to justify the cost and disruption to life and plans. The lack of 3pm Saturdays is unprecedented.

But same for every other club and we almost stand alone as a club that has seen ST and match day attendance decline, whilst all around increase. That is all down to Pune and the incompetent stooges that have been employed locally.

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Because other clubs have used some of the millions extra they have had from Sky to try and mitigate damage to attendances by cutting prices. They've seen the potential issue ahead and taken steps to address it before it has an impact on crowds

Here however with disengaged owners and a board rewarded for saving money there was never any prospect of that happening because the extra Sky money was to them a bonus to help Venkys and Waggott, not the fans.

Once again they attempt to spin it as though they are doing their bit - price reduction in the Riverside (nearly empty some games) but at the same time a price increase in the BBE (almost full some games) and anyone tempted to move still has to pay extra to get a new season ticket card anyway, wiping out most of the benefit.

It's just a game being played, they aren't serious about this and are just trying to create an illusion whilst ensuring their bottom line is met so they keep the Indians off their backs for another year.

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11 minutes ago, Penwortham Blue said:

But same for every other club and we almost stand alone as a club that has seen ST and match day attendance decline, whilst all around increase. That is all down to Pune and the incompetent stooges that have been employed locally.

Per the Football web pages website the average attendance this season was 16,161 which is the highest since we were relegated from the Premier League.

Maybe we stand alone as having supporters who delight in making inaccurate statements designed to show their club in a bad light.

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3 hours ago, Bohinen1983 said:

Genuinely surprised how many are saying 'Hardest season ticket renewal in my life' etc..

What about the early days.. Chaos, discontent off the scale..  We've had some really, really bleak periods.. Worse, I would argue than now..

Just interested to know why not then and now has renewing a season ticket caused so much internal tension?

 

I didn't under Kean. Renewed the day he was gone.

When we went down to League One, we had already removed Coyle and replaced him with Mowbray who was clearly a significant improvement. The possibility of a season against teams we rarely play, where we might actually be successful was quite appealing compared to just "giving it a right good go". Not that I'd want to do it again. 

Now though, the people running the club are openly admitting the Venues money has dried up, players will be sold, no significant funds reinvested in proven players and we will rely on academy more and more. It appears they are financially bonused to achieve running without investment. Add in managers are walking away because of the situation, players who are popular are being allowed to leave with no visible action to extend contracts and that they appointed an unpopular manager who collapsed our season and it's a perfect storm. That's before we mention Rudy, Suhail, Yasirs twitter exchanges etc.

The last 4 results have probably done more to save season ticket sales than they realised.

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Me and 8 others decided not to renew this time. First time since early 2000’s. It’s just not worth it. You miss 5/6 games a season due to midweek moves, early kick offs, other commitments and it’s probably cheaper to just buy on the day of the games you can attend.

Maybe that’s the same across the board in the championship, but usually we fall for the ‘watch this summer window! We are after pace! We have funds! Defenders are coming!’ but not this season.

We gave up on the club the minute our DoF said they didn’t spend in January as it wasn’t in the plan. He’s a fucking moron.

There is a constant dulling down of expectations, quality, and commitment year on year. This lot don’t want promotion, they will be show in front of millions of worldwide viewers just how incompetent they are, whereas now they can tick along quietly picking up a wage packet. We have literally zero saleable assets left at the club. Anyone who would potentially fetch even just 7 figures are now ticking into the last 12 months of their deals.

Until we have any sort of idea of what the product looks like next season, i.e. the actual 11 players on the pitch, I’ve no interest in renewing and potentially will give up a seat I’ve held for 20+ years. 

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17 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Per the Football web pages website the average attendance this season was 16,161 which is the highest since we were relegated from the Premier League.

Maybe we stand alone as having supporters who delight in making inaccurate statements designed to show their club in a bad light.

Our official attendances are skewed by the fact that we have the largest away stand in the entire country. Leeds, Preston, Boro, B*rnley, Derby, Sunderland, Wednesday, Sheff Utd all brought very large followings to Ewood Park which drags up the average substantially compared with other grounds where those teams are sometimes capped at taking 1-2k fans. Anyone who goes to Ewood Park and has done for years knows that our home fan attendances have stagnated and this year is no different. The official attendance that gets reported for some of the night games in particular is quite obviously not the real attendance. If you know the ground has 31,000 seats and how many seats there are in each stand, you can easily work out that the ground is at most 1/3 full for some of the games but then the announcement is 14k or whatever.

The general trend across the 92 in the last decade is that attendances have risen pretty much everywhere, but not at Ewood Park.

Saying that we have fans that delight in showing our club in a bad light is disingenuous and not reflective of what is posted on here. No one is happy about the fact Ewood Park is the currently biggest white elephant in the top 4 divisions.

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13 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Per the Football web pages website the average attendance this season was 16,161 which is the highest since we were relegated from the Premier League.

Maybe we stand alone as having supporters who delight in making inaccurate statements designed to show their club in a bad light.

Our average crowd is c1,000 up from where it was in 2012/13 - how do you think that compares with the rest of the Championship? (On the proviso that league crowds in England are at their highest levels since the 1950s).

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