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3 hours ago, Ricky said:

Biggest mistake seems to have been letting Leonard go on the cheap. 8 goals and 3 assists this season already. I know a lot of us wanted him to stay, he would have ended up getting a decent amount of game time here this season. 

Probably a rough equivalent to him getting about 5 goals and 2 assists at this level if he was a regular starter. Which is worse than Ohashi has done, who people complain about, and minus the epic workrate.

Still not too fussed he has gone. Has the potential to improve of course given he is still quite young, so we will see how he does. Good luck to him. If we were a normally ran club my main thought at this stage would just be that I hope we put a decent sell on in.

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7 hours ago, bluebruce said:

Probably a rough equivalent to him getting about 5 goals and 2 assists at this level if he was a regular starter. Which is worse than Ohashi has done, who people complain about, and minus the epic workrate.

Still not too fussed he has gone. Has the potential to improve of course given he is still quite young, so we will see how he does. Good luck to him. If we were a normally ran club my main thought at this stage would just be that I hope we put a decent sell on in.

I don't think anyone is saying Leonard should have been kept as a starter.  If they are then I disagree.  But he would have been a much more useful option from the bench than Gueye.  According to Peterborough fans, he does run himself into the ground for them (He’s a very good player and he’s only going to get better, I like him, his work rate is phenomenal), maybe not to Ohashi levels, but by the sounds of it, loaning him rather than selling him, would have enabled us to bring him back and  rest Ohashi for the last 20-30 mins of games and not change too much with our set up.

 

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1 hour ago, KentExile said:

I don't think anyone is saying Leonard should have been kept as a starter.  If they are then I disagree.  But he would have been a much more useful option from the bench than Gueye.  According to Peterborough fans, he does run himself into the ground for them (He’s a very good player and he’s only going to get better, I like him, his work rate is phenomenal), maybe not to Ohashi levels, but by the sounds of it, loaning him rather than selling him, would have enabled us to bring him back and  rest Ohashi for the last 20-30 mins of games and not change too much with our set up.

 

Think we can all agree, he’d have been a better option than Henriksson in Andri’s absence and been more of a goal threat.

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There was something seriously off with his never-ending injury run here over the last 18 months or so and I find it odd that he has now suddenly got over those and is performing and scoring.

I had no qualms really letting him go in the summer based on his 'injuries' but now find myself asking if there might have been more to it than that given how quickly things have changed for him once he's out of the Ewood/Brockhall cesspit. 

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Posted
11 hours ago, LDRover said:

A little titbit I've heard from a good source on Cantwell. As captain he fronted up 3 of the first team squad for going out the Friday before a match despite it being a club rule. Of the 3 in question one has since moved, one is linked with a move and one doesn't move (I'm sure you can work out who they are).

Apparently they were all sanctioned financially (5k from what I have heard) and there is a bit of resentment towards the captain from them because of it. Having said that, he is loved and respected by the rest of the dressing room and is a top bloke.

I'd sell those 3 straight away. Fair play to Cantwell. At least someone gives a s***! 

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21 minutes ago, JHRover said:

There was something seriously off with his never-ending injury run here over the last 18 months or so and I find it odd that he has now suddenly got over those and is performing and scoring.

I had no qualms really letting him go in the summer based on his 'injuries' but now find myself asking if there might have been more to it than that given how quickly things have changed for him once he's out of the Ewood/Brockhall cesspit. 

I was exactly the same. Saw a promising youngster who's body seemingly couldn't keep up and thought it best he moved on.

I question everything that happens at Ewood these days though and have to wonder about his lack of playing time here given everything we know.

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Posted
6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Big day today with all these signings coming in.

I think we all know it's not happening, was never happening, and I suspect Val couldn't care less.

I have lashings of humble pie sat waiting in the fridge in case I'm wrong on that..........

Posted
33 minutes ago, JHRover said:

There was something seriously off with his never-ending injury run here over the last 18 months or so and I find it odd that he has now suddenly got over those and is performing and scoring.

I had no qualms really letting him go in the summer based on his 'injuries' but now find myself asking if there might have been more to it than that given how quickly things have changed for him once he's out of the Ewood/Brockhall cesspit. 

Another day, another ridiculous conspiracy theory. In fact he fractured his back which put him out for 4 months, and then having got back to fitness dislocated his shoulder. He confirmed both injuries in interviews ,

Posted
55 minutes ago, JHRover said:

There was something seriously off with his never-ending injury run here over the last 18 months or so and I find it odd that he has now suddenly got over those and is performing and scoring.

I had no qualms really letting him go in the summer based on his 'injuries' but now find myself asking if there might have been more to it than that given how quickly things have changed for him once he's out of the Ewood/Brockhall cesspit. 

It may have been coincidence, or may have been related to payment bonuses if he plays more. I have however for a while found it strange how many injuries we get every season, and also every player whos injured seems to be out for a number of weeks/months. Never just 1 or 2 weeks. Is something lacking with the medical/fitness/physio dept at the club? Wouldnt be surprised. 

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Posted

Brönner was on the Guardians list of Europe's greatest talents born in 08 last year. I didn't see enough of him last season to form an opinion, but his team were dreadful despite having an OK squad and went down against the odds. 

Posted
38 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Another day, another ridiculous conspiracy theory. In fact he fractured his back which put him out for 4 months, and then having got back to fitness dislocated his shoulder. He confirmed both injuries in interviews ,

Nevertheless, he was fit and available for selection by the time he was sold so if he turns out to be a huge success Im sure you'll agree selling him for £1m will represent dropping a fairly major bollock?

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9 minutes ago, Commondore said:

Brönner was on the Guardians list of Europe's greatest talents born in 08 last year. I didn't see enough of him last season to form an opinion, but his team were dreadful despite having an OK squad and went down against the odds. 

Great talent or not. £1m for us at this current juncture is a hefty fee to spend.

Spending that on a 17 year old central midfielder would say to me that the hierarchy don't know what the team needs at this moment in time to succeed and prevent relegation.

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13 minutes ago, Commondore said:

Brönner was on the Guardians list of Europe's greatest talents born in 08 last year. I didn't see enough of him last season to form an opinion, but his team were dreadful despite having an OK squad and went down against the odds. 

At least he has relegation battle experience 😂

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Surprised to see Litherland in JD gym in Blackburn the other day. Should his rehab not be supervised by our medical staff at Brockhall?

Mind you, there's probably no room based on the number of injuries.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, TugaysMarlboro said:

Spending that on a 17 year old central midfielder would say to me that the hierarchy don't know what the team needs at this moment in time to succeed and prevent relegation.

That's the 64m dollar question though isn't it. Are they bothered?

I can't imagine this particular lad would be much use in League 1 though. Would be kicked from pillar to post.

Posted
4 hours ago, KentExile said:

I don't think anyone is saying Leonard should have been kept as a starter.  If they are then I disagree.  But he would have been a much more useful option from the bench than Gueye.  According to Peterborough fans, he does run himself into the ground for them (He’s a very good player and he’s only going to get better, I like him, his work rate is phenomenal), maybe not to Ohashi levels, but by the sounds of it, loaning him rather than selling him, would have enabled us to bring him back and  rest Ohashi for the last 20-30 mins of games and not change too much with our set up.

 

I never saw any evidence of a “ phenomenal workmate “ when he was here. In fact the lack of effort was my main criticism of him. Maybe he was struggling with niggling injuries ?

Posted
1 hour ago, LDRover said:

Surprised to see Litherland in JD gym in Blackburn the other day. Should his rehab not be supervised by our medical staff at Brockhall?

Mind you, there's probably no room based on the number of injuries.

Even if he was given a plan to follow and sent away to do it, i'd still be expecting him to use the club facilities rather than a public gym

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Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I never saw any evidence of a “ phenomenal workmate “ when he was here. In fact the lack of effort was my main criticism of him. Maybe he was struggling with niggling injuries ?

“ phenomenal workmate “  is a quote from a Peterborough fan, I linked it to the quote on their forum

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3 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I never saw any evidence of a “ phenomenal workmate “ when he was here. In fact the lack of effort was my main criticism of him. Maybe he was struggling with niggling injuries ?

I didnt notice any lack of effort, I thought his movement was very good and he didn't waste his energy in the wrong areas or chasing lost causes.

If I had any criticism of him here it would have been that his finishing wasn't clinical enough but I thought that would come with more game time.

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8 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Even if he was given a plan to follow and sent away to do it, i'd still be expecting him to use the club facilities rather than a public gym

This is normal across the country with all sport athletes. They are all experts in their bodies and how to train and many do it to have a change of scenery, the social side and to not be at work 24/7.

At a gym near me, lots of Southampton footballers, Hampshire cricketers were always there. I once trained next to Iwan Thomas and then he won an Olympic medal. People talk about gaining that 1% to be the best. I like to think I was that 1% to Iwan Thomas. I inspired and contributed by reminding him not to eat crap and train daily - or he'll become like me. 

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Posted (edited)
20 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I didnt notice any lack of effort, I thought his movement was very good and he didn't waste his energy in the wrong areas or chasing lost causes.

If I had any criticism of him here it would have been that his finishing wasn't clinical enough but I thought that would come with more game time.

Nor did I

Truth is, we only saw him start circa 10 games for Rovers, and most of those were as a teenager over 2 years ago.  He has only played 13 less games for Peterborough than in his entire time at Rovers, almost exclusively as a starter, so I would be inclined to think they have seen a better selection of what he offers

Edit - In fact, just under 60% of his total minutes at first team level in his career to date have been played for Peterborough this season (1243 minutes for Rovers, 1638 minutes for Peterborough)

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