Boycott Or Not?

[simongarnerisgod]

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

You can be pro or against the boycott in and of itself, but to try and argue it will impact the team is obviously BS.

Millwall game, no bugger there, comfortable win.
Derby, very good crowd by this season’s standards, crap performance.

if you are playing a game at whatever standard,you don`t notice the crowd,you are concentrating for 90 minutes,bar hold ups in play,it should`nt matter if there are 50000 or 200 in the crowd,it won`t make any difference at all to the players

[Mattyblue]

11 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

I've been thinking about these 4 cohorts and perhaps there is a fifth, which I would include myself in. I'd describe this as an extension of #4.

ie those of us who are genuinely torn as to whether to boycott the Watford game or not, but are amenable to other forms of 'protest'. For example, since the boycott announcement, I've refused to buy any drink or food from the outlet. Arguably, that's trivial in the grand scheme of things, but I feel like I'm at least doing something.

At the moment, the commentrary seems to be mostly about attending the game or not, with little discussion of other mechanisms of protest. There's a trick being missed here IMO.

Good points. But looking at the concourses I don’t think ‘turn off the taps’ generally has had much impact on those that still go.

[Guy N. Cognito]

4 hours ago, RoversTilliDie said:

A big crowd motivates the team, and we need it at the moment, if we're to survive in the Championship.

Please can you post any statistics to support this assertion?  

[TheRoversGRL]

3 minutes ago, Guy N. Cognito said:

Please can you post any statistics to support this assertion?  

We had a big crowd against Derby and that did wonders 🤣🤣

[Penwortham Blue]

27 minutes ago, ... said:

We dont want to be a business pursuit anymore. 

We want the club to be an intrinsic part of people's every day life like it was 15 years ago.

We want our club to be back on the lips of everyone in the town like it was 15 years ago.

We want a club that will be fighting to compete at the highest level like it was 15 years ago.

We want a club that cares about the people that turn up in the wind and rain (and then be sent home again).

We want a club that we can pass down generation to generation. 

Like we did 15 years ago. 

Venkys Out. Times up.

 

Great post, I agree with the message wholeheartedly.

[ToonRover]

20 hours ago, M_B said:

Before I start, I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just providing you with the information so that you've got some anecdotal stuff to consider.

Since new year, I've asked at least 7 (2 today) if they're boycotting and not one is. One of them goes  from a pub in Darwen and doesn't know anyone from that pub who is  boycotting. Nobody I've asked even seemed to consider it. 

Maybe someone else has any info 

I have personally spoke to 12 ST holders who are all boycotting the game.  

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9 hours ago, RoversTilliDie said:

Staying away, damages Blackburn Rovers, not the owners. A big crowd motivates the team, and we need it at the moment, if we're to survive in the Championship.

Short term effort for long term results.

It's about the future now. 

[RoversTilliDie]

5 hours ago, Guy N. Cognito said:

Please can you post any statistics to support this assertion?  

Ill post it, when we're in league 1, with nobody turning up for matches.

[Dreams of 1995]

3 minutes ago, RoversTilliDie said:

Ill post it, when we're in league 1, with nobody turning up for matches.

And you will be thinking that is the fault of the fans?

[47er]

11 hours ago, M_B said:

So when the owners wind up the club because it isn't financially viable, it will be my fault because I kept going, not yours who has not only  "stopped" going, but has urged others to do the same as well as stop giving the club any money.

And it's me who apparently doesn't understand contradiction 🤦

Why would the owners put us into admin and create s forced sale? Easier to sell isn't it?

You think that you continuing to attend will save the club? Its on a downward trajectory yet the owners are billionaires!]

What's the use of them?

[Gav]

11 hours ago, RoversTilliDie said:

Staying away, damages Blackburn Rovers, not the owners. A big crowd motivates the team, and we need it at the moment, if we're to survive in the Championship.

In my experience we usually bottle it in front of a big crowd, outside of the glory years, especially away from home.

[Herbie6590]

12 hours ago, RoversTilliDie said:

Staying away, damages Blackburn Rovers, not the owners. A big crowd motivates the team, and we need it at the moment, if we're to survive in the Championship.

I wish it was as simple as this & that the empirical evidence backed up this argument. 

[M_B]

1 hour ago, 47er said:

Why would the owners put us into admin and create s forced sale? Easier to sell isn't it?

You think that you continuing to attend will save the club? Its on a downward trajectory yet the owners are billionaires!]

What's the use of them?

That wasn't the point though was it ? 

[Waggy76]

1 hour ago, 47er said:

Why would the owners put us into admin and create s forced sale? Easier to sell isn't it?

You think that you continuing to attend will save the club? Its on a downward trajectory yet the owners are billionaires!]

What's the use of them?

Sooner or later , they will have to open the books to prospective owners or administors.

 

[Vinjay]

23 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

I wish it was as simple as this & that the empirical evidence backed up this argument. 

Because most of them are simpletons. "How dare they use an image of Jack Walker! How disrespectful! Now where's my Total Wicked kit?"

[Vinjay]

Never back down especially for no good reason. With that being said (besides rare exceptions) this is my last post on the forum because it's been a waste of 20 years outside my five ban periods. Today is the final irrefutable proof with this gutless decision to back down on something that was 100% justified. All you have done is alienated people who wanted to protect what's left of Jack's desecrated legacy. 

That being said perhaps he would have regretted leaving one to begin with. Especially his family.

Edited 14 hours ago by Vinjay

[M_B]

3 hours ago, ... said:

Short term effort for long term results.

It's about the future now. 

How do you define short term?

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7 minutes ago, M_B said:

How do you define short term?

As in not a long time. 

[M_B]

1 minute ago, ... said:

As in not a long time. 

This is the problem for me, just how indefinite everything is. It's already been "a long time", you're talking as if it starts on Saturday. 

They won't be forced out, of that I'm certain. 

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51 minutes ago, M_B said:

This is the problem for me, just how indefinite everything is. It's already been "a long time", you're talking as if it starts on Saturday. 

They won't be forced out, of that I'm certain. 

Correct. Everything attached to them is indefinite. 

[47er]

1 hour ago, M_B said:

That wasn't the point though was it ? 

Isn't it? What is then?

[RevidgeBlue]

13 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

At the moment, the commentrary seems to be mostly about attending the game or not, with little discussion of other mechanisms of protest. There's a trick being missed here IMO.

I can't understand why people are constantly talking as if "the boycott" is the be all and end all and only form of protest which will take place

For the Watford game the planned form of protest is a boycott. I can't see anything whatsoever wrong with that at all.

For the game after that I would hope the prescribed form of protest is something different and the same again for the one after that and so on and so on.

[Hasta]

If people choose not to boycott a single game with the Watford game, I doubt the same people would protest in the ground. For example turn their backs for 5 minutes, show red cards etc.. Any protest inside the ground will occur next to people who think it’s stupid / pointless and many people will naturally be less confrontational . Therefore an in ground protest as well on the 24th would be spun as “most people are happy”, as the majority who would take part won’t be in the ground.

The other point is @Dreams of 1995 says “I am of the opinion that all supporters have the same opinion - that the Venkys have been nothing short of a disaster for Blackburn Rovers.”, but we have to accept he is wrong. Not on the opinion, which I agree with, but there is a significant portion of attending adults who do not think they are doing that bad a job. For the abandoned games, a group around me were laughing at the Venkys out chants, saying Venkys cant control the weather whilst being unaware of the lack of investment in the pitch. Those people don’t read sites like this or social media. They won’t be aware of Brockhall, FF minutes, payday loans from some guy in Bolton, court cases in India etc..  They just think they put the money in and the managers fail.

Edited 3 hours ago by Hasta

[Mattyblue]

Yep, to go back to my 4 point breakdown of the remaining match going fans, there is still a sizeable number in 3), i.e benevolent owners who’d we be bust without.

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47 minutes ago, Hasta said:

If people choose not to boycott a single game with the Watford game, I doubt the same people would protest in the ground. For example turn their backs for 5 minutes, show red cards etc.. Any protest inside the ground will occur next to people who think it’s stupid / pointless and many people will naturally be less confrontational . Therefore an in ground protest as well on the 24th would be spun as “most people are happy”, as the majority who would take part won’t be in the ground.

The other point is @Dreams of 1995 says “I am of the opinion that all supporters have the same opinion - that the Venkys have been nothing short of a disaster for Blackburn Rovers.”, but we have to accept he is wrong. Not on the opinion, which I agree with, but there is a significant portion of attending adults who do not think they are doing that bad a job. For the disallowed games, a group around me were laughing at the Venkys out chants, saying Venkys cant control the weather whilst being unaware of the lack of investment in the pitch. Those people don’t read sites like this or social media. They won’t be aware of Brockhall, FF minutes, payday loans from some guy in Bolton, court cases in India etc..  They just think they put the money in and the managers fail.

How do you respond to those around you just out of interest? Or how do others respond if they're say out of range? I think it's one of the more frustrating moments seeing some around you mocking or jesting but unaware of the current situation we find ourselves in

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