Probably wouldn't happen but it would be nice if we could have a game on Sky where our fans didn't come in until the 15th minute to symbolise Venky's 15 years of ownership.

One thing is for sure...this lot whoever they REALLY are running/involved/ruining our Club have kept matters very secretive and tight behind the scenes.They appear to have a ring of Steel around their network. It begs the question what sort of honest,transparent,fan-friendly Owners would operate and run a Business with impunity in the manner as above,without doubts and fears on a possible ulterior motive coming to the fore with the Stakeholders (fans)? Like Dave Whelan said this didn't feel right from the start.

Looking at the criteria again (re Miyoshi) has made me wonder if Toth can/will qualify in January under the points system: 10 points for being at a Band 2 club leaves 5 needed to reach the requisite 15. 5 points are given for playing 40-49% of available minutes (league only, band 2) in the previous twelve months. League matches in 2025 (if I’ve added up right) = 47 of which Toth has played 100% of 7 of those to date. Again (and if my maths is right!) he needs to play the equivalent of 12 full league matches out of the remaining 24 this calendar year. Does that rambling make sense?? 😁😁 The same method might work for Kargbo too but he’s currently on fewer minutes than Toth and looks likely to play fewer than him (for now at least) too.

I suspect we will make wholesale changes, it might depend on how seriously Bradford take it. Our squad depth is obviously a problem. If we go for a mix of youngsters with barely any/in most cases no senior experience (Tyjon, LMM, Atcheson, Michalski), new signings gaining fitness (Miller, Tavares) and then just the odd more senior squad player who themselves havent had as many minutes in pre season, then I think they will fancy their chances.

Lovely assist for Palaces second

I enjoyed watching the Sheff Wed supporter protest today. All but a very small number of the 3000+ at Leicester refused to take their seats until 5 minutes of the game had gone, leaving an almost empty away end at kick off. Good to see the Leicester fans in support of the protest and applauding the Wednesday fans as they arrived during the game. Sadly it seems people only equate 'fit and proper' to whether an owner pays the bills on time and assume all is fine and well here.

So you agree with me then ok, cool

Do you see the likes of Hedges, De Neve and Kargbo as capable of providing chances for the strikers?

There'll be no-one there but the game has now become quite important in the context of the season. We need to show some fluidity, put in a decent performance and win to build a bit of momentum. A few goals wouldn't hurt either.

Fair play Sheff Weds, a well executed protest and getting the coverage on Sky, good support from Leicester fans too for it. As an aside their first corner was better than we’ve mustered up for a while despite all their issues, better team here as well….

Failure and under achieving gets rewarded all too often in this daft industry.

Yeah we lost 1 nil, not the horror show some are making out. We could do with banging a few in against Bradford now, I wouldn’t even be messing much with whatever VI believes is his best 11 and hopefully they shape up and show they can indeed score goals.

We can 20 strikers but if we don't create anything or put good balls into the box its pointless. I would also like to see one of the centre midfielder get forward into the box and get more bodies into the box. 5 centre midfielders isn't a squad overloads. We had 4 midfielders and were short after Tronstad and Travis got injured and Baker went back to Stoke. Axel is attacking midfielders

I'm not saying I'm content, we lost and had one shot on target, it isn't good enough. What I'm saying is I think there are players to work with to improve and that we're one or 2 decent signings away from being a decent side. I completely understand why people are pissed off, I am with the way the club is run and the lack of investment but make no mistake, this is a shit league with not that much quality in it and a few decent signings and organisation can take you a long way... As we proved last season. Our home form has always been something that's kept us from struggling, we need to start well on Saturday.

I'd like to see us try Alebiosu in front of Miller on the right hand side tomorrow. Then play Wharton, Pickering, Tavares, Montgomery, Gueye and Kargbo from the start.

There was another Rovers fan called Carl who phoned in Talksport last night on his way home from the Hawthorns who was also seemingly quite content with what he saw. I couldn't quite believe what I was hearing imo if we were to play like that all season we'd be guaranteed to go down, probably with a record low goals tally for a 46 game season. Im sure we'll improve a bit, we couldn't possibly be that bad every game. The question is, will we improve enough. It sounded as though another Rovers fan phoned in with the opposite view to Carl later on but I only caught the very end of that one.

Just on recruitment after yesterday, our best “new” player was McLaughlin, who CB should come as no surprise as he has champ experience, I definitely think we should have been after a few more of this type. Josh windass for example, we have gambled with this new lads from inferior leagues taking the step up. None of them came out with any credit yesterday if we are honest. Worrying. Does anyone know if gestede is signing on analytics or is it just a throw of a dart on who is landing on his desk

Michalski Miller Hyam Wharton Pickering Tavares Montgomery Axel Tyjon Karbgo Gueye

I'm as pessimistic as anyone but I don't think things are bad as being made out. Yesterday was 2 typical championship teams playing a very typical championship game with not much in it. I didn't think we looked a worse team than West Brom in the 2nd half, in fact I thought we looked better just didn't have enough in the final third. I'm seeing a lot of negativity on the new signings, based on what I saw... Alebiosu, Miller and Tavares will do fine and be very useful and hard to play against. The problem yesterday was the players who were here last season. Miller's throw in ability automatically picks Gueye ahead of Ohashi in my opinion, would be silly to waste Gueye's arial ability on his throw-ins. We all know we didn't create enough chances but I think it's a bit simplistic to assume that's down to the strikers and that we don't have enough up front. We didn't create hardly any chances, the midfielders didn't overload hardly, Travis or Tronstad didn't gamble to try and break the lines. The forwards can't score goals if you don't give them anything to attack or chase. Once we find some balance, have an outlet on the right with Kargbo on the left and perhaps sort selling Trav for a hungrier younger player, we could look like a decent side. Lots of if's and buts there of course but considering West Brom will be talking about pushing for playoffs I think if we bed in the new boys and make one or 2 decent signings we're no worse than them. Fine margins but I think I good signing or two will be the difference.

Agreed. And worryingly the 3 stooges seemed to double down on him being "the outstanding candidate" during the car crash interviews so would they even want to ditch him if needed?

Don't disagree with your overall point but if missing out on the play offs when the Club were in the top 6 when you took over is judged a success - Im in the wrong job!

He has a 7th placed finish to his name already and whilst we see it as a bit of a failure because his early stint cost us the top 6 others will put it down to lack of funds again. Of which there is plenty truth in that also. Whatever happens league position wise this season he'll have dealt with a big player turnover and might well end up with a negative transfer budget. It's a no lose job here for these average joe types off the scrapheap.

JDT and Eustace were good managers in an upward trajectory. Mowbray did better than some give him credit for, but benefited from a brief spell when we would pay decent money and salaries for the likes of Gallagher, Downing , Armstrong, Elliot etc.. Ismael was perceived as having failed in his last 2 British jobs and was well and truly in last chance saloon. He’s also going to have to cope with Operation Downgrade with regards to the squad. I think there’s more chance we will be worrying about if we can afford or are willing to pay off his 3 year contract, rather than if he will leave us. Im just it convinced yet whether his aim is to take us forward, or to facilitate Suhail cutting costs regardless.

If Waggot was still here, they'd "look into it" No chance with these wasters.

In theory we've struggled against long throws as we:ve had nobody capable of taking them. Perhaps the Miller throw will help improve us in both boxes.