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[Archived] New Assistant manager

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"ALMOST definitely happen Monday" why even mention Monday? I know it's not over yet, and "we hope to get players in before the QPR game" They are giving fans false hope by even mentioning a day and date.

So were you expecting any players to be arriving before the QPR game? Were you expecting to hear today that we have a new assistant manager?

I prefered it when you signed a player without the manager telling us it's might happen before a certain game.

Kean was just keeping us, the fans in the loop as to what is happening. Unless someone guarantee's or promises, I dont expect anything. When he said hoped, I also hoped, but was never expecting. When he said almost definitely, I was again hoping something would be announced today, but never expected it, as it wasnt guaranteed.

All Steve Kean is doing is re-assuring fans that area's that need to be looked into are. Do we need players? Yes we do, are things been done to bring them in? If Steve Kean is to be believed, yes they are. Do we need an assistant? Yes we do. Are things been done to bring in an assistant? Again according to Kean, they are.

If Steve Kean starts promising things are going to happen on certain dates, I will then agree he is in the wrong, at the moment the guy has done no wrong, and hasnt made a promise he cant keep, as he hasnt promised anything.

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The crux to this whole bitchslapfest about Kentaro's involvement is how they will they approach their role, such as we understand it. One camp seems convinced that they will fill the club with poor players/coaches/managers who we would not have considered in times gone by. The other camp is that they will get us access to better/players/coaches/managers than would otherwise have been the case.

I don't think that's the discussion at all EIT.

For starters, no-one knows what influence, if any, Kentaro exert over players transfers - either in, or out. If there is no influence, then there is no problem. However, if Kentaro are involved even in the slightest way, then there are worries that rather than this set up being solely in the best interest of the club, it is also in the financial interests of Kentaro to move players in and out of the club. Now, as Nicko says, there's nothing really inheritantly wrong in that, because potentially rovers and Kentaro gain by it. BUT, in my opinion, that's not a good position to be in. There are too many opportunities for that situation to be abused and there will always be doubts in the minds of the fans.

I would say leave Kentaro completely out of it and allow the manager a free reign to try to bring in his own players.

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Of course there is a point speculating about it...do you honestly think we'd have appointed Jensen if he wasn't a Kentaro client?

Rather than asking "are they any good?", the question should be "is this the best man we can possibly get?". It's going to be a massive coincidence if the best man for the job also happens to be on Kentaro's books.

I can't believe this doesn't worry you at least a little bit.

Possibly we wouldn't be appointing Jensen if he wasn't a Kentaro client. Possibly he was Kean's first choice irrespective of who he's represented by. Either way there's absolutely no reason to suggest Steve Kean is anything other than happy with the appointment.

Would we have appointed Neil McDonald if he wasn't close pals with Sam Allardyce?

Was he "the best man we could possibly get?" I think not. (No disrespect intended to him btw)

I really can't see the difference.

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Would we have appointed Neil McDonald if he wasn't close pals with Sam Allardyce?

Was he "the best man we could possibly get?" I think not. (No disrespect intended to him btw)

I really can't see the difference.

I think that's the point, that Neil McDonald was good friends with Sam and had worked with him before, so when he was brought in, you'd assume that he'd do well, as our manager had a high opinion of him and they did well at Bolton together.

With John Jensen, we're again faced with an unknown (as far as we're aware). The owners appointed an unknown and untested manager in Steve Kean, now we've seemingly appointed an assistant manager who doesn't have that much of an impressive record and seems to have no connection to Kean.

So it's pretty fair to be worried and assume Kentaro's influence given it's the only common factor in both appointments. Although personally, Kentaro doesn't bother me as much as it does others on here.

Too early to judge, but there's definitely concern that we've only made two appointments so far (Kean and Jensen) and both are quite risky with the only thing we know about them is that they come with a "good reputation".

How long will it be until we move from trying to sign marquee players like Ronaldinho to looking at unknown foreign players with "good potential"?

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I think that's the point, that Neil McDonald was good friends with Sam and had worked with him before, so when he was brought in, you'd assume that he'd do well, as our manager had a high opinion of him and they did well at Bolton together.

With John Jensen, we're again faced with an unknown (as far as we're aware).

It depends what you class as "an unknown".

Jensen had a very good playing pedigree and seems reasonably well regarded as a coach based on his participation in Getafe's success alongside Michael Laudrup. That's hardly an "unknown".

McDonald got the job because Sam likes him and worked with him before. I think they did ok at Ewood myself but another manager might not rate McDonald in the slightest. Managers sign players all the time who are clients of their favourite agent.

It's a different sort of croneyism to the one being alleged against Kentaro but croneyism nonetheless.

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It's a different sort of croneyism to the one being alleged against Kentaro but croneyism nonetheless.

That's not really my point. Generally, you want a manager to bring in his own backroom staff that he knows well and can trust. You want a team of people that work well together and you know can do a job. Alternatively, you can bring in someone with a high pedigree as well. Jensen is neither though.

When McDonald came in, it wasn't surprising or suspicious, everyone just said "fair enough". Jensen seems like a random choice that "might be good". He's not an "unknown", but he's come out of the blue and has no experience managing or coaching in England. He's primarily stayed in the much poorer Danish league and had 1 decent season at Getafe (who have a decent team as it is).

It's not that we're not willing to give Kean and Jensen a chance, we will and we have, but I'm sure a lot on here have felt underwhelmed with the appointments and can't help but feel these are unnecessary risks our owners are taking.

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There is a world of difference between appointing people whom the manager knows how they think and work in the heat of a season's campaign and appointing people because your agent's agenda is being met.

And before anyone howls it is a bit difficult to hide Jerome Anderson. Particularly as he is at work at Brockhall every day.

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What do you mean by that?

"Valois" sounds French (in my head anyway) and you're being uber-positive at the minute.

Throwaway comment mate - hence the smiley!

I'll be getting told off by Hughsey next! :D

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With John Jensen, we're again faced with an unknown (as far as we're aware). The owners appointed an unknown and untested manager in Steve Kean, now we've seemingly appointed an assistant manager who doesn't have that much of an impressive record and seems to have no connection to Kean.

Given that this is Kean's first managerial job, who was he supposed to bring in? He wouldn't have a previous assistant lined up from another job. He's unlikely to have a Blair/Brown-esque pact "When I get my first managers job, you'll be my no.2" pact either.

In the scenario where Kean is given the job out of the blue and he utilises his agency to find him a suitable assistant, I really don't see a problem. I would prefer someone with more Premiership experience, of course, but the reality is we don't know who was available. I saw Carlos Querioz's name mentioned. Is he really going to come and work for Kean? I know some assistants seem to specialise in being a #2 to young managers but they tend to have pre-existing relationships with their respective charges.

Moreover, I'm not seeing much potential for Jensen to get up to no good. He's an assistant and will likely have little say in financial matters. An appointment with a view to getting in the players ear about signing for SEM would be redundant.

All that really matters is if he's any good. He's coached at the top level and perhaps we was just the closest fit with what Kean wants to do with the squad in terms of playing style. Over a beer about the football, they could have just hit it off. Spain have won the last two international tournaments and the quality of football in La Liga is there for all to see. If that's a direction Kean wants to go in, not the worst idea in the world and how many assistant managers are there with experience of both the Premiership and La Liga? Not many I would venture. (Yes Querioz is one, see above! So is John Toshack and I wouldn't have him!)

It's an interesting appointment but not one to get unduly worried about, in my view.

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"Valois" sounds French (in my head anyway) and you're being uber-positive at the minute.

Throwaway comment mate - hence the smiley!

I'll be getting told off by Hughsey next! :D

I see, no worries mate.

Valois is indeed french,but im English. Valois is a nickname I got at Uni, there used to be a footballer called Jean Louis Valois, played for Luton, and BurnleyI think. y surname is fairly similar to Valois and it just stuck.

just dont see the point of been uber-negitive mate to be honest. I always try keep a positive outlook on things, and especially when it comes to rovers, the club I love.

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So basically Kean is telling us too much?

Didn't people complain under the last regime that we were treated like mushrooms?

You couldn't make it up :lol:

Just needs to not raise expectations unnecessarily! Football fans expectations are always high anyway, no need to make a rod for your own back!

Anywho. Has Jensen been "unveiled" yet?

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