Let's Talk Tyrhys Dolan

[Gav]

On 02/06/2025 at 09:12, Mercer said:

Imo, Dolan is a legend In his own mind only with a vastly overrated opinion of his own abilities.

I mean this in the nicest possible way, but you tend to read comments like this from people that don't go to games, I read it regular on here from fans that have stopped going, also by some who do go which is on them frankly. 

Dolan is no world beater, if he was he'd be in the Premiership, but what he is, is a young lad that leaves everything out on the pitch. He has the ability to get fans out of their seats at times with his runs and skill, many Rovers players don't have that ability. I love watching him play to be honest and its just another example of piss poor management from the club.

Would Dolan be signed up by Allardyce, Hughes, Souness, Ray or Kenny in the current climate? Of course he would, don’t accept him being allowed to walk, its a disgrace. 

 

 

[47er]

On 02/06/2025 at 18:12, Mercer said:

He's run his contract down and can now look forward to a big signing on fee and a big new wage 

No---the Club has run his contract down like so many before him. Maybe if he'd been given a review instead of being kept on the same terms he signed when a teen-ager we wouldn't have this problem.

But that's true of so many others before him who've left on a free isn't it?

This isn't an example of inflated ego or greed by a single player its a continuing story of administrative neglect and stupidity.

 

[Mercer]

2 hours ago, Gav said:

I mean this in the nicest possible way, but you tend to read comments like this from people that don't go to games, I read it regular on here from fans that have stopped going, also by some who do go which is on them frankly. 

Dolan is no world beater, if he was he'd be in the Premiership, but what he is, is a young lad that leaves everything out on the pitch. He has the ability to get fans out of their seats at times with his runs and skill, many Rovers players don't have that ability. I love watching him play to be honest and its just another example of piss poor management from the club.

Would Dolan be signed up by Allardyce, Hughes, Souness, Ray or Kenny in the current climate? Of course he would, don’t accept him being allowed to walk, its a disgrace. 

 

 

I've seen sufficient of Dolan in both live games and televised games to form my judgement.

By the way, think you'll find a huge amount of Rovers' scouting is done from the video room as I posted earlier today in the Transfer Window so there are many so called professionals in football making judgements on players without first, if at all, seeing them in the flesh!  This is common across many clubs and I have a younger relative who fulfils a similar role for one of the bigger PL clubs but he will also take in a minimum of 5 live matches a week. 

Dolan finished the season strongly leaving nothing on the pitch and, IMO, this hasn't always been the case with the lad.  I would argue he was doing his level best to put himself in the shop window.  100% every game working your backside off is not an ability but a minimum requirement.

I've said before Dolan lacks 2 key attributes for a forward to be successful in the PL, football intelligence and pace.

Take Adam Armstrong - blessed with pace but, IMO, very little football intelligence.

On the other hand, Jordan Rhodes has some football intelligence but was, IMO,  a relative cart horse.

Both Armstrong and Rhodes failed at PL level.

Dolan is a decent Championship player and it would be no surprise to see him at one of those clubs seriously changing the top 6.

Edited yesterday at 11:18 by Mercer

[Mattyblue]

Say what you want about Dolan’s level of talent, but to try and make out his grafting on the pitch is only a recent thing in order to get a nice contract is total BS.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

52 minutes ago, Mercer said:

I've seen sufficient of Dolan in both live games and televised games to form my judgement.

By the way, think you'll find a huge amount of Rovers' scouting is done from the video room as I posted earlier today in the Transfer Window so there are many so called professionals in football making judgements on players without first, if at all, seeing them in the flesh!  This is common across many clubs and I have a younger relative who fulfils a similar role for one of the bigger PL clubs but he will also take in a minimum of 5 live matches a week. 

Dolan finished the season strongly leaving nothing on the pitch and, IMO, this hasn't always been the case with the lad.  I would argue he was doing his level best to put himself in the shop window.  100% every game working your backside off is not an ability but a minimum requirement.

I've said before Dolan lacks 2 key attributes for a forward to be successful in the PL, football intelligence and pace.

Take Adam Armstrong - blessed with pace but, IMO, very little football intelligence.

On the other hand, Jordan Rhodes has some football intelligence but was, IMO,  a relative cart horse.

Both Armstrong and Rhodes failed at PL level.

Dolan is a decent Championship player and it would be no surprise to see him at one of those clubs seriously changing the top 6.

Lack of pace was Rhodes major failing. The first time I saw him play I thought he must have been playing with an injury.

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

I've seen sufficient of Dolan in both live games and televised games to form my judgement.

By the way, think you'll find a huge amount of Rovers' scouting is done from the video room as I posted earlier today in the Transfer Window so there are many so called professionals in football making judgements on players without first, if at all, seeing them in the flesh!  This is common across many clubs and I have a younger relative who fulfils a similar role for one of the bigger PL clubs but he will also take in a minimum of 5 live matches a week. 

Dolan finished the season strongly leaving nothing on the pitch and, IMO, this hasn't always been the case with the lad.  I would argue he was doing his level best to put himself in the shop window.  100% every game working your backside off is not an ability but a minimum requirement.

I've said before Dolan lacks 2 key attributes for a forward to be successful in the PL, football intelligence and pace.

Take Adam Armstrong - blessed with pace but, IMO, very little football intelligence.

On the other hand, Jordan Rhodes has some football intelligence but was, IMO,  a relative cart horse.

Both Armstrong and Rhodes failed at PL level.

Dolan is a decent Championship player and it would be no surprise to see him at one of those clubs seriously changing the top 6.

How does one physically get to see 5 live matches a week? Unless several of them are on a park pitch?

Is your younger relative CONSTANTLY on the road, reviewing video footage from hotel rooms as he (or she) hops from town to town?

[Exiled_Rover]

27 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Lack of pace was Rhodes major failing. The first time I saw him play I thought he must have been playing with an injury.

Similar to Ennis, I was absolutely startled at how slow he was. 

[speeeeeeedie]

50 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

How does one physically get to see 5 live matches a week? Unless several of them are on a park pitch?

Is your younger relative CONSTANTLY on the road, reviewing video footage from hotel rooms as he (or she) hops from town to town?

That doesn't sound unreasonable.

An acquaintance of mine was a scout for a Prem team. He was always somewhere, be it at home or abroad. Same with another pal. He scouted players 16 and under for a different club. He'd spend his weeknights travelling the length and breadth of northern England looking for players other clubs had missed. Then writing up reports on each player he liked. 

[Mercer]

54 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

How does one physically get to see 5 live matches a week? Unless several of them are on a park pitch?

Is your younger relative CONSTANTLY on the road, reviewing video footage from hotel rooms as he (or she) hops from town to town?

Football is played 7 days a week with staggered kick off times on Saturday and Sunday.  It isn't that difficult to fit in 5 live games with his club's meticulous planning.  For example 4 games over the weekend in Spain/Portugal or France/Germany are not unusual.  Video matches are 2 days a week ar the club's training centre.  It's all highly professional and the player reviews are succinct and brutally to the point (have seen some of the 'older' reviews which no longer relevant). It's a different world.

[jim mk2]

Dolan was our worst player in many games for the first three quarters of last season - I lost count the number of times I was shouting for the manager to take him off. He played badly and looked lazy. 

Then the last time I saw him play was the away win at Luton when he worked his socks off all over the pitch after we went down to 10 men.  He looked a different player

So what brought about the transformation? With his contract running out and the prospect of a lucrative move the answer isn't difficult

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

Football is played 7 days a week with staggered kick off times on Saturday and Sunday.  It isn't that difficult to fit in 5 live games with his club's meticulous planning.  For example 4 games over the weekend in Spain/Portugal or France/Germany are not unusual.  Video matches are 2 days a week ar the club's training centre.  It's all highly professional and the player reviews are succinct and brutally to the point (have seen some of the 'older' reviews which no longer relevant). It's a different world.

So yes, he's never home. Question asked and answered.

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, speeeeeeedie said:

That doesn't sound unreasonable.

An acquaintance of mine was a scout for a Prem team. He was always somewhere, be it at home or abroad. Same with another pal. He scouted players 16 and under for a different club. He'd spend his weeknights travelling the length and breadth of northern England looking for players other clubs had missed. Then writing up reports on each player he liked. 

I didn't say it sounded unreasonable. Unappealing though for sure.

[speeeeeeedie]

8 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

I didn't say it sounded unreasonable. Unappealing though for sure.

I know you didn't. I was affirming Mercer's point that 5 games a week is not outlandish. 

It doesn't pay well either, adding to the lack of appeal.

[Mercer]

2 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

So yes, he's never home. Question asked and answered.

Never is OTT.

However, many areas of football (managers, coaches, medical department and recruitment team etc) are so time demanding and not ideal for family life - Tony Mowbray banged on about it enough!

A son of a friend gave up his job as an Academy Coach with a London PL club simply because it was ruining his family life.  Fortunately he had more strings to his bow and was able to do so and is now working as an economist in the city earning much more money and enjoying a much better quality of life.  Having said that, football was his real passion but sometimes hard decisions have to be made.

[JPTSwindon]

I am relaxed whether he stays or goes - he would have signed a contract had his asks not be too great.  If a 'bigger' club can match his expectations then fair enough, but whilst I think he is a decent Championship player I wouldn't want us to use too much of our limited wage budget.

[chaddyrovers]

8 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

How does one physically get to see 5 live matches a week? Unless several of them are on a park pitch?

Is your younger relative CONSTANTLY on the road, reviewing video footage from hotel rooms as he (or she) hops from town to town?

Most scouting is done by Video first like using Wyscout

Before watching them live next. 

[bluebruce]

2 hours ago, JPTSwindon said:

I am relaxed whether he stays or goes - he would have signed a contract had his asks not be too great.  

The flipside of that is he would have signed a contract if we hadn't lowballed him.

[Tomphil2]

2 hours ago, JPTSwindon said:

I am relaxed whether he stays or goes - he would have signed a contract had his asks not be too great.  If a 'bigger' club can match his expectations then fair enough, but whilst I think he is a decent Championship player I wouldn't want us to use too much of our limited wage budget.

Considering he was in the first team for a length of time on £300 a week then probably had a bit of a pay rise how much do we really honestly think he was asking for ?

 

[rigger]

12 hours ago, Tomphil2 said:

Considering he was in the first team for a length of time on £300 a week then probably had a bit of a pay rise how much do we really honestly think he was asking for ?

 

More than he was worth.

[Mattyblue]

Be what Markanday will be getting next season.

[Tomphil2]

2 hours ago, rigger said:

More than he was worth.

Behave yourself this lot paid the likes of Downing and Rodwell 20 grand a week and for what ?

No investment no return just the odd seasons mainly mediocre football and now they are repeating it with Cantwell, also threw away a similar wage on 6 months of Dennis.

How many million there straight down the pan yet they won't give our academy grads a championship contract because their starting wages are so low so the hike is seen as too much.

Not much thought to actually signing them up then selling them a year later to re-invest.

Stupid football club.

[rigger]

2 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

Behave yourself this lot paid the likes of Downing and Rodwell 20 grand a week and for what ?

No investment no return just the odd seasons mainly mediocre football and now they are repeating it with Cantwell, also threw away a similar wage on 6 months of Dennis.

How many million there straight down the pan yet they won't give our academy grads a championship contract because their starting wages are so low so the hike is seen as too much.

Not much thought to actually signing them up then selling them a year later to re-invest.

Stupid football club.

All that still doesn't affect the value of Dolan .

[Tomphil2]

4 minutes ago, rigger said:

All that still doesn't affect the value of Dolan .

His value is at least an average championship wage going off the number of games hes now played and reflecting his age and future sell on potential.

He'll have been way under that and is entitled to ask for as much as he wants it doesn't mean he wouldn't have settled for less but it's way too late now anyway.

Another lad worth 2 or 3 mill going for nothing whilst his replacement will likely not be up too much but at least rigger and the other Dolan knockers are happy eh.

[Mattyblue]

The fella reckons that older lad that’s been released after spending the season at Chesterfield and Leyton Orient is the better player, so don’t expect a sensible debate.

[rigger]

47 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

His value is at least an average championship wage going off the number of games hes now played and reflecting his age and future sell on potential.

He'll have been way under that and is entitled to ask for as much as he wants it doesn't mean he wouldn't have settled for less but it's way too late now anyway.

Another lad worth 2 or 3 mill going for nothing whilst his replacement will likely not be up too much but at least rigger and the other Dolan knockers are happy eh.

I'll tell you what, I will be far more disappointed if Travis, and or Tronstad leave, than if Dolan does.