Adam Wharton

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I find it a little strange how you are seeking out Forest twitter pages to back up Anderson. 

I also think your inability to question things is summed up by how you are interpreting these stats. Because Anderson is top of a list of random stats, you stated that hes the best midfielder in the Premier League the other day. Now you are passing on these stats today as if they prove your point or that he was more effective.

Question things? Oh give a rest FFS

Yes Sky Sports pundits were discussing Anderson and showed how he the number 1 Midfielder in the PL. 

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

They are different types of players and they featured in different ways and at totally different stages of the game. Anderson was on for much less time but the game was totally different, Albania had conceded, they were knackered and England were totally dominant. He won all of his "ground duels" (very vague phrase) which was 1 of 1, for example.

As I repeatedly said Anderson is more suited to play the 6 role than Wharton under Tuchel's tactics 

 

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The stats quoted are seemingly from fotmob but they have also been cherry picked. Wharton has a higher rating, and created the most chances out of everyone in the game apparently.

Higher rating? Based on people's opinion on each person performance

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Point being, dont just take randomly selected and inherently flawed stats as proof of certain conclusions.

Give it rest RF99. If those stats were in Wharton favour, you been all over it like a rash and shouting it from roof tops

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Are you basing this purely on a few England games against poor opposition?

Always Downplaying who we played, the fact of the matter we can beat who we play. The fact of the matter Anderson is much suited to our we want our number 6 to play

[oneandycrawford]

9 hours ago, Uddersfelt Blue said:

Anderson may be a better player but its a squad game and we need decent back up should injuries disrupt.

 

My take on it is that Adam is probably the more naturally talented player but, AT THE MOMENT, Anderson is being very effective for England and clearly fits with how Tuchel wants to play.

Adam needs to take any opportunity to show he is the obvious stand-in for Anderson. I'm not sure he did that last night. It's difficult when you only have limited chances but that's the nature of elite sport.

Adam's timing may be unfortunate - he would be ideal in an England team playing possession, using wing backs, etc. but Tuchel's not playing that way.

Hopefully he'll get more chances - maybe he will become an impact player coming on for Anderson when the opposition tiring so his killer passing can be really damaging?

 

[K-Hod]

Please can we stop calling it the 'number 6' or the 'number 8' role and just say what position it is, for the benefit of those who don't worship at the altar of daft football jargon, please?

Thanks.

[Mattyblue]

If that’s the way we have to talk about football now, fine, so let’s get rid of squad numbers then.

[roversfan99]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Question things? Oh give a rest FFS

Yes Sky Sports pundits were discussing Anderson and showed how he the number 1 Midfielder in the PL. 

As I repeatedly said Anderson is more suited to play the 6 role than Wharton under Tuchel's tactics 

 

Higher rating? Based on people's opinion on each person performance

Give it rest RF99. If those stats were in Wharton favour, you been all over it like a rash and shouting it from roof tops

Always Downplaying who we played, the fact of the matter we can beat who we play. The fact of the matter Anderson is much suited to our we want our number 6 to play

It didnt show that he is the best midfielder in the league, thats my point. He obviously isnt, there are clearly midfielders better than him. Those stats merely proved that he has done the most of each of those stats in the first 10 games, that isnt proof that he is the best midfielder in the league.

As I said, Wharton did rank higher yesterday than Anderson in certain stats, including apparently (I am very skeptical of these stats full stop) creating the most chances in the game. Unsure why you follow a random Forest page but they pre selected the stats in Anderson's favour, missed the ones in Wharton's favour, and didnt factor in the state of the game when the sub was made and the different circumstances. The higher rating for Wharton isnt based on opinion, its based on an accumulation of the (as I said flawed) stats.

You have repeatedly shown an incapability to question things, even taking things out of context. Youve done it with the crap that comes out of the liars at Rovers before, taking any spin as the gospel truth.

[chaddyrovers]

31 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Please can we stop calling it the 'number 6' or the 'number 8' role and just say what position it is, for the benefit of those who don't worship at the altar of daft football jargon, please?

Thanks.

That's football people speak nowadays and is it that hard to understand really when you got people like Tuchel, Pep, Klopp and Ismael using them in media conference or comments

[benhben]

Thought he was quiet last night. The biggest difference when Anderson came on was how he nips around the pitch and is always demanding the ball and therefore recieves more passes. Not just showing for the ball but shouting for it. He therefore gets noticed more and has more chance to shine. 

Adam was a bit passive and whilst showed for the ball, you could see he wasnt demanding it or talking much to his team mates. Understandible hes not going to be like that straight away. Hopefully will get more chances to grow into it. 

Anderson seems to have the personalilty to do it straight away and therefore I think he stands out more. 

Id love Wharton to be a regular, but thought we looked better in midfield when Anderson came on for the last 15. Showed with the goals. 

Edited 3 hours ago by benhben

[KentExile]

24 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

If that’s the way we have to talk about football now, fine, so let’s get rid of squad numbers then.

We cant do that, too much money is made selling names on shirts 😉 

[roversfan99]

6 minutes ago, benhben said:

Thought he was quiet last night. The biggest difference when Anderson came on was how he nips around the pitch and is always demanding the ball and therefore recieves more passes. Not just showing for the ball but shouting for it. He therefore gets noticed more and has more chance to shine. 

Adam was a bit passive and whilst showed for the ball, you could see he wasnt demanding it or talking much to his team mates. Understandible hes not going to be like that straight away. Hopefully will get more chances to grow into it. 

Anderson seems to have the personalilty to do it straight away and therefore I think he stands out more. 

Id love Wharton to be a regular, but thought we looked better in midfield when Anderson came on for the last 15. Showed with the goals. 

To be fair, Anderson came on for 15 minutes at a time when we were totally dominant, in the lead and against a tired Albania.

[KentExile]

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

To be fair, Anderson came on for 15 minutes at a time when we were totally dominant, in the lead and against a tired Albania.

An Albanian team that were also demoralised after finally going behind

I would have very much liked to have seen how Wharton got on from that point, but he was replaced as soon as England went ahead, so he never got a chance to show play against a "different" Albanian team

Edited 3 hours ago by KentExile

[DuffsLeftPeg]

13 minutes ago, benhben said:

Thought he was quiet last night. The biggest difference when Anderson came on was how he nips around the pitch and is always demanding the ball and therefore recieves more passes. Not just showing for the ball but shouting for it. He therefore gets noticed more and has more chance to shine. 

Adam was a bit passive and whilst showed for the ball, you could see he wasnt demanding it or talking much to his team mates. Understandible hes not going to be like that straight away. Hopefully will get more chances to grow into it. 

Anderson seems to have the personalilty to do it straight away and therefore I think he stands out more. 

Id love Wharton to be a regular, but thought we looked better in midfield when Anderson came on for the last 15. Showed with the goals. 

Agree with this, he was a little passive and didn’t demand the ball enough. Often he was pushing onto their midfielders to make space for others. It wasn’t an easy game to play in though with 3 different formations and no consistent midfield partner which left him a bit isolated at times like Tuchel said after.

For his first senior start in a hostile atmosphere against tough opposition, he did well and will learn a lot from it. Other more experienced players such as Bellingham, Rice or Eze didn’t have the best of nights either.

 

 

[DuffsLeftPeg]

9 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I find it a little strange how you are seeking out Forest twitter pages to back up Anderson. 

Agreed very odd behaviour from @chaddyrovers 

Anderson definitely has the shirt for now, probably similar for Rogers vs Bellingham too. But we all know who is more likely to step up in a big game against better opposition and make an impact. 

[K-Hod]

53 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

That's football people speak nowadays and is it that hard to understand really when you got people like Tuchel, Pep, Klopp and Ismael using them in media conference or comments

Or you could just do the unthinkable and call it something everyone else understands, like a defensive midfielder?

Just a thought.

[roverandout]

9 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I find it a little strange how you are seeking out Forest twitter pages to back up Anderson. 

I also think your inability to question things is summed up by how you are interpreting these stats. Because Anderson is top of a list of random stats, you stated that hes the best midfielder in the Premier League the other day. Now you are passing on these stats today as if they prove your point or that he was more effective.

They are different types of players and they featured in different ways and at totally different stages of the game. Anderson was on for much less time but the game was totally different, Albania had conceded, they were knackered and England were totally dominant. He won all of his "ground duels" (very vague phrase) which was 1 of 1, for example.

The stats quoted are seemingly from fotmob but they have also been cherry picked. Wharton has a higher rating, and created the most chances out of everyone in the game apparently.

Point being, dont just take randomly selected and inherently flawed stats as proof of certain conclusions.

Are you basing this purely on a few England games against poor opposition?

Basing it on the fact that Wharton struggled yesterday and when Anderson came on he transformed the performance 

[DeeCee]

This may be just me but whenever we have scored, Adam doesn't seem to get involved in the celebrations, almost (to me) seems like a bit of an "outsider"?

[roverandout]

1 minute ago, DeeCee said:

This may be just me but whenever we have scored, Adam doesn't seem to get involved in the celebrations, almost (to me) seems like a bit of an "outsider"?

The players like him. Declan Rice referenced Wharton when he wasn't in the squad calling him 'ads'

[DeeCee]

4 minutes ago, roverandout said:

The players like him. Declan Rice referenced Wharton when he wasn't in the squad calling him 'ads'

That doesn't really mean anything though, perhaps he's being called that anyway by Eze, Guehi and Dean Henderson?

He just seems so reserved all the time, perhaps it's just cos he's so laid back?

Edited 2 hours ago by DeeCee

[Bethnal]

The problem for Wharton last night was England wanted to build to the edge of the Albanian box and play through at that point, in the first half. He was asked to stay deep and found himself caught amongst the high sitting defenders/Stones moving into midfield.

Second half was more to his style, as the Albanians went more direct and the game stretched out. He doesn’t necessarily need much time on the ball, but he does need his forward players to be finding space.

Anderson is more useful against teams sitting in, as he’s busy and constantly shouting for the ball, also being more likely to run at the opposition to create openings for others.

For more open games, Wharton would be the better choice to find clever runs or opportunities. There weren’t many opportunities for him to play the key balls into the forwards.

Having said that, he looked like he felt the pressure, which is unfortunate. He could do well to improve his off-the-ball further, too. England had a good general shape last night and he didn’t sit well amongst it fir periods.

[Armchair supporter supremo]

I only vaguely watched the first hLf but it seemed like nobody Was passing to Wharton! 

He needs to bemore vocal and demand the ball more

 

P. S. Sorry it's probably been discussed already but how much are we expecting not to recieve from him getting his first start? 

[roversfan99]

22 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Basing it on the fact that Wharton struggled yesterday and when Anderson came on he transformed the performance 

It was one game that ultimately didnt matter for either side.

Anderson didnt transform the game, a poor Albania side had conceded, had tired and England had taken control by the time he came on.

Its not worth taking significant conclusions from.

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

If that’s the way we have to talk about football now, fine, so let’s get rid of squad numbers then.

Well that was an overreaction and didn't make any sense.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

It didnt show that he is the best midfielder in the league, thats my point. He obviously isnt, there are clearly midfielders better than him. Those stats merely proved that he has done the most of each of those stats in the first 10 games, that isnt proof that he is the best midfielder in the league.

Those stats show he is the best midfielder in the league this season. He had a very good season and he is bang in form. 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

As I said, Wharton did rank higher yesterday than Anderson in certain stats, including apparently (I am very skeptical of these stats full stop) creating the most chances in the game. Unsure why you follow a random Forest page but they pre selected the stats in Anderson's favour, missed the ones in Wharton's favour, and didnt factor in the state of the game when the sub was made and the different circumstances. The higher rating for Wharton isnt based on opinion, its based on an accumulation of the (as I said flawed) stats.

Firstly, I'm not interested in you are skeptical of these stats and who says I follow that forest account. That is again you making assumption again. 

secondly, Anderson is much suited to being the number 6(defensive midfielder) in the way Tuchel wants to play but also in a game like yesterday when Albania who were very solid, defensively structure and well organised. I think Wharton needed to play yesterday and more in around the box instead of playing so deep. 

The Stones's experiment didn't work. 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

You have repeatedly shown an incapability to question things, even taking things out of context. Youve done it with the crap that comes out of the liars at Rovers before, taking any spin as the gospel truth.

more generic nonsense again from you. 

[KentExile]

13 hours ago, islander200 said:

Nixon saying on his bluesky account that Wharton has to make 5 competitive appearances for England before we are due anything from Palace

 

13 hours ago, wilsdenrover said:

He could have revealed that ‘info’ at any moment, I wonder why he has chosen now.

 

12 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It gets more and more ludicrous if true.

Kent Exile wasn't far wrong when he/she joked it would be dependent upon Adam scoring the winning goal in a penalty shoot out in a semi final in the Southern Hemisphere etc etc.......

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/25626189.adam-wharton-triggers-blackburn-rovers-transfer-clause/

Jackson claiming it has been triggered, Maybe he and Nixon will have pistols at dawn to sort out who is correct

I suppose it is possible that there are 2 clauses, one for first competitive start & another for 5 competitive games? 

Edited 2 hours ago by KentExile

[Mattyblue]

I obviously wasn’t being particularly serious, but makes perfect sense to me, as if numbers are to represent types of role (like rugby union) then why not simply have 1-11 (like RUs 1-15)?

[neophox]

Hope he come back to Rovers one day. He would had been a legend here.