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[JHRover]

And again - my view of things, right or wrong - is that there has always been a form of a power struggle behind the scenes between two opposing camps. 

Mowbray and his mate Waggott managed to get their feet under the table and establish control and a degree of normality at the club for a number of years, but it looks to me like the shadow man and whoever he works for/represents/acts for patiently waited and over the last 2-3 years has managed to establish sole control again, just as he did in 2015-17

The parallels are clear -

A long standing and popular manager (Bowyer/Mowbray) is removed from position, both of which once had close and positive relations with those in India, and the most senior person around the place when it happens is the curtain twitcher stooge.

There's an initial 'ambitious' new regime put in place (Lambert/Irvine, Broughton/JDT) and for a short while people are quite excited and confident in the direction we are going and there's a lot of ambitious talk around the place.

There's then a sudden 'change' in circumstances involving a sudden moving of the goalposts/change in budgets that undermines the ambition and leads to those people getting out of here as quickly as they can.

Then a wrecking ball is taken to what was a solid competitive Championship squad, popular players bundled out the back door, tens of millions in transfer fees disappear, huge turnover in players.

And inevitably we reach a point where relegation becomes highly likely once an inferior manager comes in to replace the decent one and there's little quality left in the squad to prop it up. 

2023-25 is almost identical to 2015-17. We know how that ended up and we know what the constants have been during that time. 

[OldEwoodBlue]

2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

In my view not, but, there's an offshoot of Kentaro HSH based in Middlesbrough run by a former Kentaro guy Craig Honeyman which has clearly had heavy links to the Club up until recently especially when Mowbray was here. Think they represented him as well.

Closer than that Rev

Stephen Horner lives in Brindle.

[RoversClitheroe]

6 minutes ago, JHRover said:

And again - my view of things, right or wrong - is that there has always been a form of a power struggle behind the scenes between two opposing camps. 

Mowbray and his mate Waggott managed to get their feet under the table and establish control and a degree of normality at the club for a number of years, but it looks to me like the shadow man and whoever he works for/represents/acts for patiently waited and over the last 2-3 years has managed to establish sole control again, just as he did in 2015-17

The parallels are clear -

A long standing and popular manager (Bowyer/Mowbray) is removed from position, both of which once had close and positive relations with those in India, and the most senior person around the place when it happens is the curtain twitcher stooge.

There's an initial 'ambitious' new regime put in place (Lambert/Irvine, Broughton/JDT) and for a short while people are quite excited and confident in the direction we are going and there's a lot of ambitious talk around the place.

There's then a sudden 'change' in circumstances involving a sudden moving of the goalposts/change in budgets that undermines the ambition and leads to those people getting out of here as quickly as they can.

Then a wrecking ball is taken to what was a solid competitive Championship squad, popular players bundled out the back door, tens of millions in transfer fees disappear, huge turnover in players.

And inevitably we reach a point where relegation becomes highly likely once an inferior manager comes in to replace the decent one and there's little quality left in the squad to prop it up. 

2023-25 is almost identical to 2015-17. We know how that ended up and we know what the constants have been during that time. 

It's actually crazy if Jerome is still involved.

Mowbray as everyone probably knows I'm absolutely against and not a fan. But respect to the guy going to India, maybe without authorisation from Suhail? Still baffles me he tempered there alleged want to spend money.

Suhail and Jerome (if the rumours are true) are the constant to fucking this club up.

[lraC]

1 minute ago, RoversClitheroe said:

It's actually crazy if Jerome is still involved.

Mowbray as everyone probably knows I'm absolutely against and not a fan. But respect to the guy going to India, maybe without authorisation from Suhail? Still baffles me he tempered there alleged want to spend money.

Suhail and Jerome (if the rumours are true) are the constant to fucking this club up.

Suhail worked for Kentaro. As we saw with the minutes from the 2017 fans meeting, Mike Cheston was playing down Pashas role. He claimed he did not know his name or his job title and also eventually admitted he worked at the club, after initially suggesting he just worked for several business that the owners have, under their portfolio.

Why has Pasha been hiding and how come so many people are linked to Kean  still, who end up at the club?

[RevidgeBlue]

13 minutes ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

Closer than that Rev

Stephen Horner lives in Brindle.

Ah OK.

Odds are they're still heavily involved then.

We had that ridiculous conflict of interest situation didn't we a few years ago when it was in the best interests of the Club to offload Smallwood and whether Mowbray did or didn't want to get rid,  the fact they were both represented by HSH was far from ideal.

Edited 2 hours ago by RevidgeBlue

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

One thing is for sure...this lot whoever they  REALLY are running/involved/ruining our Club have kept matters very secretive and tight behind the scenes.They appear to have a ring of Steel around their network.

It begs the question what sort of honest,transparent,fan-friendly Owners would operate and run a Business with impunity in the manner as above,without doubts and fears on a possible ulterior motive coming to the fore with the Stakeholders (fans)?

Like Dave Whelan said this didn't feel right from the start.

[SuperBrfc]

4 hours ago, philipl said:

Talking of stables, I was told it was alleged that there were 143 "independent" agents in the Kentaro stable.

All totally against the rules of the game if that rumour were true.

And clubs had no idea they were in negotiations with the same people on both sides...

Jerome of course took a fee from both the Trust and Venkys for the sale of Rovers but that was visible to both parties apparently.

The bit in bold is interesting as it could theoretically apply to our owners and the conduit too, if true. What I mean is, there was news of a so called falling out between the owners and Kentaro around 2011/12-ish and that the dispute was going to be taken to court. It was eventually settled out of court around 2013. That was the last we heard on that and the Venky's- Kentaro link apparently soured at that point.

Assuming that to be true, why then did we choose to appoint managers and sign a few players connected to a Kentaro offshoot for years AFTER the above dispute between Venky's-Kentaro? Is it simply that the owners had no idea that the offshoot were close to the very people they 'fell out' with? (which is where the bit in bold could apply) Or is it that they left it to their trusted conduit here to handle matters? The conduit, not knowing how the game works, but having past friends and agent connections who could help him? Or him not knowing the backgrounds of the new agencies sat before him? If Kentaro had 143 agents in their stable, it's fair to say that even an experienced football operator might not know or recognise all of them. Never mind a non footballing man well out of his depth at a club that is too big for him to handle.

Whatever it may be, official FA Agent documents show that we sold four players from 2016-2024 for a combined £18m. On each of those four deals a former SEM-Kentaro agent represented the club during the four exits. The last one was in 2024. Last year. Also, a loan signing we made last year...the agent that sat on the deal is a former Kentaro consultant. Now, I don't know how this works. Does an agent offer their services to a club by saying they can help the club out in such an instance i.e a player sale, purchase etc, and the club either accepts or turns the offer down? Or does a senior person at a club choose an agent to represent the club in a deal?

If we are to assume that the agency stuff is all conspiracy, as many do, and that all of this is nothing more than clueless owners thousands of miles away who aren't arsed about football and an equally clueless conduit who knows nothing about the game, both showing themselves to be out of their depths, fair enough. It has some logic to it. However, there have been many coincidences that have popped up since 2010 and are still popping up to this day. At some point people start noticing these coincidences and patterns, especially when they keep pointing in the same direction.

[RevidgeBlue]

5 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

Whatever it may be, official FA Agent documents show that we sold four players from 2016-2024 for a combined £18m. On each of those four deals a former SEM-Kentaro agent represented the club during the four exits. 

Not saying that what you're saying is wrong but why would we need an agent to represent us on the sale of a player.