2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[roversfan99]

53 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

which is what? 

So you are in negotiations with Dolan so what are offering in terms on weekly wage and length of contract? 

I said 2 months ago I would be offering 15k on a four year contract. link provided as proof of what I said https://www.brfcs.com/forums/topic/34597-lets-talk-tyrhys-dolan/page/46/#findComment-2712611

 

Yes I am very aware and know what he said but we have 2 in and Forshaw. You didn't think we would get any in for pre season which we have. Yes we need a number of more signings in but we need others out aswell. 

Ismael wanted Forshaw to re sign here given his performances last season and what he offers off the field which we don't see. He is 4/5th choice and someone who will mainly come off the bench in certain situation. 

Chaddy, how could I possibly know what he or indeed any player would accept or is even paid?

I dont need to know either. He was offered a deal 18 months ago that he didnt deem satisfactory so didnt sign it and hasnt been offered one since. 

Whether I thought x and you thought why is irrelevant to whether Ismael will be happy with how the squad is going into pre season tomorrow. You are keener than anyone to take every word he says as gospel, he said he wanted 90% done. I dont think that was realistic but he clearly wanted a big chunk of business done ahead of a full pre season. I would argue that 2 ins, 2 unexpected outs on top of Dolan etc who we knew about, and still crucially absolutely no clarity on 4 key players and their futures doesnt really fit that remit.

On Forshaw, you havent been keen to stick to your guns and say that you dont agree with the renewal. Since it happened, in typical chaddy fashion youve just endorsed it repeatedly.

Edited 16 hours ago by roversfan99

[roversfan99]

36 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

That doesn't really make sense. So if the only offer he would accept for example would be 40k per week, that would be a reasonable offer? It would be an exorbitant one.

Well obviously not.

I think we can deduct though based on the sheer quantity of important players that we have failed to renew the contracts of. That the pattern suggests that its not just isolated and silly wage demands.

My response wasnt made to be taken so literally. 

Edited 17 hours ago by roversfan99

[chaddyrovers]

7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Chaddy, how could I possibly know what he or indeed any player would accept or is even paid?

I dont need to know either. He was offered a deal 18 months ago that he didnt deem satisfactory so didnt sign it and hasnt been offered one since. 

Simple question to answer lets be honest

[roversfan99]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Simple question to answer lets be honest

How is it a simple question to possibly know what he currently earns, what he was offered, what he wants etc?

All that is clear is that we have failed to offer a number of key players in the last few years sufficient terms to get them to sign new deals, so it goes beyond one or two unreasonable sets of demands or dodgy agents.

[bluebruce]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Well obviously not.

I think we can deduct though based on the sheer quantity of important players that we have failed to renew the contracts of. That the pattern suggests that its not just isolated and silly wage demands.

My response wasnt made to be taken so literally. 

Then you didn't answer the question you were asked by whoever it was (Chaddy I think?). What would you consider a reasonable offer to Dolan?

The clear pattern of shite offers that have made us repeatedly lose players for peanuts or less than peanuts is a separate but related issue that nonetheless doesn't speak to answering that question. You were being evasive. It's still possible Dolan wants more than most of us would be comfortable signing him onto and the club can reasonably pay, even if I personally agree we probably aren't making a good enough offer within our means and should have sorted it ages ago when it would've been cheaper.

[roversfan99]

5 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Then you didn't answer the question you were asked by whoever it was (Chaddy I think?). What would you consider a reasonable offer to Dolan?

The clear pattern of shite offers that have made us repeatedly lose players for peanuts or less than peanuts is a separate but related issue that nonetheless doesn't speak to answering that question. You were being evasive. It's still possible Dolan wants more than most of us would be comfortable signing him onto and the club can reasonably pay, even if I personally agree we probably aren't making a good enough offer within our means and should have sorted it ages ago when it would've been cheaper.

Its an impossible question to answer though about any player. We dont know what hes on, what our top earner is on, what the average is etc. People like to quote random websites but you cant trust them, I suspect they get them from football manager or something similar as they cant possibly know.

There is a chance of course that he as an individual has unreasonable demands. But as you touch on, 18 months ago his stock wasnt as high, nor was his bargaining power. Thats the one where I struggle to accept that he was asking for silly money beyond our pay structure. The contract he has been on will be very low because he signed it so long ago. 

The main issue is beyond Dolan anyway, if only one or even two players had refused to sign it might not be worrying. The other issue is the timing, when we wait so long we get to the point where the players power is higher and they also have more reason to justify a higher wage. The club can also spill out that their demands are beyond our wage structure. 

[NeilInBristol]

Any news on Batth or weimann?

[JBiz]

5 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Its an impossible question to answer though about any player. We dont know what hes on, what our top earner is on, what the average is etc. People like to quote random websites but you cant trust them, I suspect they get them from football manager or something similar as they cant possibly know.

There is a chance of course that he as an individual has unreasonable demands. But as you touch on, 18 months ago his stock wasnt as high, nor was his bargaining power. Thats the one where I struggle to accept that he was asking for silly money beyond our pay structure. The contract he has been on will be very low because he signed it so long ago. 

The main issue is beyond Dolan anyway, if only one or even two players had refused to sign it might not be worrying. The other issue is the timing, when we wait so long we get to the point where the players power is higher and they also have more reason to justify a higher wage. The club can also spill out that their demands are beyond our wage structure. 

I don’t understand why you think wage approximates will be that far off, all clubs publish their wage bills. 

Of course, it’ll never be exact unless you’ve a payslip with their bonuses / signing on fees on. It’s fairly easy to have a close approximate though - football manager games have researchers at every club who provide these approximates too, so it’s not as if it’s a random algorithm.

I don’t think you can say for sure that he hasn’t been offered a decent extension either, but we can definitely say that his agents advice would’ve been to “stick it out, you’ll get a better deal elsewhere”….
 

Especially when we’ve seen that happen multiple times in recent seasons. Lenihan, Rothwell, and Brereton-Diaz all went on to sign contracts at their new clubs that would’ve been higher than what we would’ve paid them.

You can point out a lack of ambition from the owners and many would agree, you can say their are external issues like parachute payments and FFP make an impact and most would also agree, but you still must acknowledge that these players have short careers and will maximise their earnings.

Not forgetting their agents generally take 10% thus the more their client makes….

 

[chaddyrovers]

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

How is it a simple question to possibly know what he currently earns, what he was offered, what he wants etc?

All that is clear is that we have failed to offer a number of key players in the last few years sufficient terms to get them to sign new deals, so it goes beyond one or two unreasonable sets of demands or dodgy agents.

Because I asked yourself what you would offer him in terms of salary and length of contract, It was a simple question but one you don't want to answer, instead coming up with excuse after excuse. I give up tbh

You are very quick to complain Rovers haven't offered him good wages or blamed this and that. 

[RoversClitheroe]

21 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Because I asked yourself what you would offer him in terms of salary and length of contract, It was a simple question but one you don't want to answer, instead coming up with excuse after excuse. I give up tbh

You are very quick to complain Rovers haven't offered him good wages or blamed this and that. 

CHADDY, THE LAST 5 YEARS SHOW IMO WE DONT OFFER ENOUGH MONEY, HENCE WHY WE HARDLY EVER RENEW CONTRACTS OF OUR TOP TALENT.

You can give 5 examples well done, but the TREND IS THEY ALL LEAVE ON FREES. 

Edited 6 hours ago by RoversClitheroe

[mhead]

If we are trying to impose a £10k per week maximum for ALL players, then by definition older, more loyal players will not be offered enough for them to sign. The only exception is Dolan , who has been on nowhere near that maximum.

So please no-one hold your breath on the existing players re-negotiating their Contracts. The Accountants are in charge. Simples.

[47er]

We are trying to stay in the Championship---no more ambition than that.

At the same time we plan to pay lower Division wages.

It simply won't work.

[Rogerb]

8 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

 

There is a chance of course that he as an individual has unreasonable demands. But as you touch on, 18 months ago his stock wasnt as high, nor was his bargaining power. Thats the one where I struggle to accept that he was asking for silly money beyond our pay structure. The contract he has been on will be very low because he signed it so long ago.

As an individual he comes across as being very grounded. An unreasonable wage demand would shall we say be out of character.

[RoverPedro]

Not wanting to be one of those who knows a mate of a mate etc, but i will be

Dolan is currently on £2k a week. His agent let's say isnt exactly quiet on the issue in private groups

Got to remember he signed a new deal only 6 or so months after joining for 300 a week. He hasn't signed anything since. 

 

Personally would be offering 10/12k a week. His performances towards end of the season, whether putting himself out there for a move or not, he showed he can reach very good championship standards. 

You also know you are going to get 100% pretty much every single game. 

[Forever Blue]

 

[Forever Blue]

 

[MarkBRFC]

Don't see Keersmaecker happening now that we have Tavaras.

Dan Gore, bloody hell. He has played 5 games in the last two seasons due to injury.

[davulsukur]

4 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

 

This kid has been injured forever, would be a crazy risk to take him on, even on loan.

[davulsukur]

1 minute ago, MarkBRFC said:

Don't see Keersmaecker happening now that we have Tavaras.

Dan Gore, bloody hell. He has played 5 games in the last two seasons due to injury.

Travs replacement, you would think.

[MarkBRFC]

Just now, davulsukur said:

Travs replacement, you would think.

I think his replacement signed a few days ago personally.

[DutchRover]

De Keersmaecker would only come if we lose Trav or Tronstad, guarenteed.

Gore I don't want anything to do with, makes JRC look like a low injury risk.

[harryhealless1928]

Yes,right on.

De Keersmaecker would be more than positive.

Rather have Garrett, even(dare I say it) Buckley than Gore. Makes the Forshaw re-signing more positive by the day!

[Eddie]

This messageboard sometimes confuses me. 

Most of the second half of last season:

'We don't have enough midfield options and injuries to Travis and Tronstad derailed our season'

This offseason

'We've already signed one extra CM, I don't understand why we would sign another unless either Travis or Tronstad are leaving.'

I have little faith our club to build out a complete squad, but we definitely need more central midfield options and I'd be delighted to see another one signed without anyone else leaving. 

[RoversClitheroe]

4 minutes ago, Eddie said:

This messageboard sometimes confuses me. 

Most of the second half of last season:

'We don't have enough midfield options and injuries to Travis and Tronstad derailed our season'

This offseason

'We've already signed one extra CM, I don't understand why we would sign another unless either Travis or Tronstad are leaving.'

I have little faith our club to build out a complete squad, but we definitely need more central midfield options and I'd be delighted to see another one signed without anyone else leaving. 

Travis and Tronstad, are the reason we got into the playoffs.

[davulsukur]

12 minutes ago, Eddie said:

This messageboard sometimes confuses me. 

Most of the second half of last season:

'We don't have enough midfield options and injuries to Travis and Tronstad derailed our season'

This offseason

'We've already signed one extra CM, I don't understand why we would sign another unless either Travis or Tronstad are leaving.'

I have little faith our club to build out a complete squad, but we definitely need more central midfield options and I'd be delighted to see another one signed without anyone else leaving. 

That would give us 8 centre mids, you just can't keep that many players happy for 2 places.