2025 Summer Transfer Thread. 😂

[MarkBRFC]

5 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Personally I think there is a need for a No10 as any injury to Cantwell will leave us short. Unless Tyjon is viewed as good enough to step up on a regular basis. Not seen him play but seems a big ask of a 17yo. I suppose Ohashi could play there but to me he’s better as a striker.

We probably also need another striker and a RM/RW. 

Just shows how valuable Dolan was cos he could fill every position in the front 4. 
 

Kargbo played most of his games at his former club as a "10" so they could probably use him there if needed.

[TheRevAshton]

Think 4 more does it personally;

RW (Perm) - Someone quick and tricky. A left-footer who can cut in would be my preference.
CAM (Perm) - Moussa Baradji still in the balance, suppose there will always be concerns over this injury. Personally hope we still pursue him though, looks good.
CB (Loan) - A young PL loan would work here, maybe that Fredricson from United?
ST (Loan) - Someone who can play anywhere across the front line is ideal, would love Jayden Danns.

Anything else after that is a bonus for me. Of course there's a huge caveat in relation to keeping our current key players, anyone sold will need to be adequately replaced on top of the above.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

Only one way of finding out….Sunderland did it 

it’s not a given of course I’m sure there’s more examples of it failing than succeeding but last year Sunderland had rigg Bellingham Watson all academy players with little to no senior experience prior to their senior starts for Sunderland 

until players of that ilk are given an opportunity we won’t know - it doesn’t work for all players I’m merely basing this on the attraction from bigger clubs on tyjon 

[chaddyrovers]

20 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

But the issue is, we cant possibly know if he is good enough yet at this level but moreso, is his body capable of playing regular, consecutive games in senior football as it likely will have to.

Well you are going to know by playing him. We know we have a talent here so bring in through and develop his game. Like we did with Wharton

Didn't stop Sunderland bringing through Rigg cos of his age, so why should it Tyjon 

Edited 5 hours ago by chaddyrovers

[Emerald Isle Rover]

16 minutes ago, TheRevAshton said:

Think 4 more does it personally;

RW (Perm) - Someone quick and tricky. A left-footer who can cut in would be my preference.
CAM (Perm) - Moussa Baradji still in the balance, suppose there will always be concerns over this injury. Personally hope we still pursue him though, looks good.
CB (Loan) - A young PL loan would work here, maybe that Fredricson from United?
ST (Loan) - Someone who can play anywhere across the front line is ideal, would love Jayden Danns.

Anything else after that is a bonus for me. Of course there's a huge caveat in relation to keeping our current key players, anyone sold will need to be adequately replaced on top of the above.

Would like to see if danns gets through pre season tour with Liverpool 

injuries with the back can often be re-occurring but def worth looking at if he comes through it ok 

[roversfan99]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Well you are going to know by playing him. We know we have a talent here so bring in through and develop his game. Like we did with Wharton

And what happens when Cantwell is unavailable if Tyjon is NOT ready? Then we are just left with a big hole in our team.

We dont know if he is ready full stop, but especially physically. This is a young lad who has had injury problems at under 21 level, can he sustain consecutive games at senior level?

Also, has he got one year left on his deal? Is he actually likely to be our player beyond next summer? Especially with agent Nixon on the case.

Wharton was an exceptional talent, but even then, he was in and out at first. We cant expect everyone to be like Wharton, most are not.

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Would like to see if danns gets through pre season tour with Liverpool 

injuries with the back can often be re-occurring but def worth looking at if he comes through it ok 

He hasnt travelled on their tour, I think due to fitness concerns.

Ismael apparently said at the kit launch that he doesnt like loans.

[Forever Blue]

7 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Well you are going to know by playing him. We know we have a talent here so bring in through and develop his game. Like we did with Wharton

Didn't stop Sunderland bringing through Rigg cos of his age, so why should it Tyjon 

You’ve literally copied the post above yours. No need to repeat it. 

[sverrehh]

Has post-Waggott made any difference on transfers?

[davulsukur]

44 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

‘I think it's clear that we have something to do on our front line. Other positions, I think that we need two or three more additions which would be perfect’

It was that para that wasn’t clear. 👆

To me, that sounds like we need to make additions on our front line (which could mean just a striker, or he's including the whole front 4) and then 2 or 3 additions across the rest of the positions.

[Forever Blue]

Just now, davulsukur said:

To me, that sounds like we need to make additions on our front line (which could mean just a striker, or he's including the whole front 4) and then 2 or 3 additions across the rest of the positions.

It does, but then in another part of the article it quotes VI as saying  just 2 or 3 in total. 
 

Jackson should have qualified it. 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

8 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

He hasnt travelled on their tour, I think due to fitness concerns.

Ismael apparently said at the kit launch that he doesnt like loans.

Then yes I’d give him a miss too much of a risk

yes I seen val saying he doesnt like loans most don’t but may be necessary particularly if they are starters and not just squad fillers 

brings us back to the tyjon discussion if val is totally against loans then the youngsters are going to be playing 

[TimmyJimmy]

17 hours ago, Forever Blue said:

Stress fracture of the foot apparently 

Re: Baradji.

Stress fractures are microscopic cracks in the bone which develop gradually from repetitive overuse.  As such they don't just go away or get fixed by operations.

Repeated loading exceeds the bone’s ability to remodel and repair the damage so apparently the only treatment is rest and 'off loading' with a gradual return to exercise over 6 to 8 weeks.

Recurrence is not inevitable but it's common, I'm told that up to 60% of athletes who experience one stress fracture suffer another.  The bone may heal but if the conditions that led to its failure persist then there's a fair chance it will reoccur.

Why? Could be any of a bunch of reasons.
Some sort of predisposition like having a dickie gait, too intensive training (VIs watch word), too much effort without the right amount of rest ... who knows.

One things for sure he'll need a long period of recovery to be sure that the bone is fully remodelled.

We have good sports science people so I'm sure they'd get to the bottom of his problem and manage reoccurrence but the bottom line is that he'll likely always be a creaking gate.

Intensity will only go up when he joins us so reoccurrence is really likely so for me I'd say no thanks and move on.

[davulsukur]

11 minutes ago, TimmyJimmy said:

Re: Baradji.

Stress fractures are microscopic cracks in the bone which develop gradually from repetitive overuse.  As such they don't just go away or get fixed by operations.

Repeated loading exceeds the bone’s ability to remodel and repair the damage so apparently the only treatment is rest and 'off loading' with a gradual return to exercise over 6 to 8 weeks.

Recurrence is not inevitable but it's common, I'm told that up to 60% of athletes who experience one stress fracture suffer another.  The bone may heal but if the conditions that led to its failure persist then there's a fair chance it will reoccur.

Why? Could be any of a bunch of reasons.
Some sort of predisposition like having a dickie gait, too intensive training (VIs watch word), too much effort without the right amount of rest ... who knows.

One things for sure he'll need a long period of recovery to be sure that the bone is fully remodelled.

We have good sports science people so I'm sure they'd get to the bottom of his problem and manage reoccurrence but the bottom line is that he'll likely always be a creaking gate.

Intensity will only go up when he joins us so reoccurrence is really likely so for me I'd say no thanks and move on.

Thanks for that. I don't know an awful lot about stress fractures, so I assumed they would heal over a few weeks and that would be that. 

With what you've posted there, sounds like this would be a very risky signing and in all likelihood, he would be on the treatment table more than the pitch.

As much as RG and probably VI like the guy, there must be less-risky alternatives we are looking at.

[Tomphil2]

38 minutes ago, sverrehh said:

Has post-Waggott made any difference on transfers?

Think we'll see the no over 30's rule become hard and fast now otherwise no i doubt there'll be any difference because it seems the final say still comes from the same source.

[Neal]

25 minutes ago, TimmyJimmy said:

Re: Baradji.

Stress fractures are microscopic cracks in the bone which develop gradually from repetitive overuse.  As such they don't just go away or get fixed by operations.

Repeated loading exceeds the bone’s ability to remodel and repair the damage so apparently the only treatment is rest and 'off loading' with a gradual return to exercise over 6 to 8 weeks.

Recurrence is not inevitable but it's common, I'm told that up to 60% of athletes who experience one stress fracture suffer another.  The bone may heal but if the conditions that led to its failure persist then there's a fair chance it will reoccur.

Why? Could be any of a bunch of reasons.
Some sort of predisposition like having a dickie gait, too intensive training (VIs watch word), too much effort without the right amount of rest ... who knows.

One things for sure he'll need a long period of recovery to be sure that the bone is fully remodelled.

We have good sports science people so I'm sure they'd get to the bottom of his problem and manage reoccurrence but the bottom line is that he'll likely always be a creaking gate.

Intensity will only go up when he joins us so reoccurrence is really likely so for me I'd say no thanks and move on.

It's stuff like this that makes the banning of peptides even more ridiculous. 

[Athlete]

41 minutes ago, sverrehh said:

Has post-Waggott made any difference on transfers?

None

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

52 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Well you are going to know by playing him. We know we have a talent here so bring in through and develop his game. Like we did with Wharton

Didn't stop Sunderland bringing through Rigg cos of his age, so why should it Tyjon 

As our options retaining young players are limited and If we are giving Tyjon a clear first team pathway -almost guaranteeing him games - then it should only be on the condition he signs a pro deal before the season starts.  Otherwise, we develop him for 12 months and lose him for peanuts.  If he won't sign, withdraw the pathway and let him tootle off to Arsenal or wherever. 

That would lay down a marker for other young players coming through. Just a thought.

 

[roversfan99]

3 minutes ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

As our options retaining young players are limited and If we are giving Tyjon a clear first team pathway -almost guaranteeing him games - then it should only be on the condition he signs a pro deal before the season starts.  Otherwise, we develop him for 12 months and lose him for peanuts.  If he won't sign, withdraw the pathway and let him tootle off to Arsenal or wherever. 

That would lay down a marker for other young players coming through. Just a thought.

 

Agreed. If we are developing him before a likely move next summer, then its essentially a loan. And would we want to loan a player like Tyjon at this stage of his development? No we wouldnt. So it would only be worth it if we knew we had him longer term.

Again, contract uncertainty causes massive issues. We need some clarity now on this.

The club are probably thinking its a way of driving up any fee at tribunal though. I suspect thats why they gave Finneran minutes too.

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, sverrehh said:

Has post-Waggott made any difference on transfers?

Probably not in terms of quality.

We'd probably still be waiting to make our first signing though if he was still here.

[roversfan99]

Did someone mention Waggott? Notifications on.

Makes no difference, the reason for our issues off the pitch remains.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

But the issue is, we cant possibly know if he is good enough yet at this level but moreso, is his body capable of playing regular, consecutive games in senior football as it likely will have to.

Not many 17 year old kids are physically ready for twice a week mens Championship football. The Wayne Rooney’s don’t come along often. From what I seen of the lad he’s quite slight in build.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, MarkBRFC said:

Kargbo played most of his games at his former club as a "10" so they could probably use him there if needed.

He doesn’t look to have the savvy to play there to me. Time will tell.

Edited 4 hours ago by Tyrone Shoelaces

[Mercer]

1 hour ago, TimmyJimmy said:

We have good sports science people so I'm sure they'd get to the bottom of his problem and manage reoccurrence but the bottom line is that he'll likely always be a creaking gate.

Really?

Our incidence of injuries and recovery times suggests otherwise.

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

But the issue is, we cant possibly know if he is good enough yet at this level but moreso, is his body capable of playing regular, consecutive games in senior football as it likely will have to.

If you dont play him, you'll never know!

Agree with other posters, if you're good enough you're old enough. I think his is a different argument to the one about any old academy player being put in for the sake of it to get the minutes up.