Wing Wizard Windy Miller Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 40 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: To really commit to accelerating Tyjon's rise into the first team, I feel like he really needs to commit to a new contract to warrant that. We only get the serious ££ if he signs a pro deal.  No point playing him and developing him if he's refusing to sign and going to jump ship at the first opportunity. Probably a convenient excuse for Rudy not to have to sign another forward though.  Quote
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alex l Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 19 minutes ago, Upside Down said: So nothing at all like when they agreed terms with the clubs and players, got them in the building, signed contracts, did promo, released promo etc then either submitted the paperwork late or 'forgot' to press send? Not for the first time in the last 15 years has a player that is deemed not fit to play for this club gone on to immediately play for another. Not sure why people calling out repeat behaviour are labelled 'conspiracy theorists' in a derogatory fashion when we've seen the same thing happen time and time again. Funny how many of the conspiracy theories have turned out to be correct over the years. The big difference here is Rovers have not made any comment relating to this player. From the club's perspective, I'm not sure they've even acknowledged any transfer activity relating to him - therefore there's no PR benefit/own goal. I'd be inclined to agree with you had they done the promo, announced the signing etc. however, to me, it's not unreasonable for any club to reconsider a signing should they be concerned with the medical outcome. As others have highlighted, it's happened with other players, Fekir probably the highest profile in recent years. From what I recall after the Liverpool transfer fell through, he didn't have any major injuries. But a club can reasonably not want to take the risk. Quote
Ossydave Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 10 hours ago, Torgeir said: We agree that he's not a rare beast, that's why I don't agree that waiting until January is a good option because we definitely need someone in here and now. And the protest part was because you suggested this: "To see if this mystery injury holds up, that's if it actually exists...." I haven't seen Yverdon Sport comment on the injury but I feel fairly confident that they would make a statement if Rovers claims of a hairline fracture indeed were unsubstantiated. If a footballer fails a medical its between us and them, they're technically medical records subject to confidentiality. Whilst they're a tiny club compared to us and won't have amazing facilities, you'd like to think they're aware of an underlying issue though. Quote
Ossydave Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 2 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said: he`s obviously not injured as he played 70 minutes on sunday,so i only only assume,with considerable experience of how venkys go about their football business,that we won`t pay what yverdon want,so try to save face and paint him as injured,appease the fans and all that Players play all the time whilst carrying injuries so that's a nonsense statement, christ just look at one of the England women's team who played a tournament with a fractured tibia just recently. I'm not disputing for one minute that Venkys are a set of cunts with how they go about their business like, need to make that perfectly clear! Â 2 Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 2 hours ago, islander200 said: What millions have Sunderland or Boro received for players similar to Tyjon who have barely played any competitive minutes for the 1st team? Rigg? Hackney? They weren't stolen before they could sign a pro contract like Phillips, Finneran and now potentially Tyjon. Quote
islander200 Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said: Rigg? Hackney? They weren't stolen before they could sign a pro contract like Phillips, Finneran and now potentially Tyjon. Rigg is still at Sunderland and hasn't been sold . Hackney has been a regular for boro for 2 seasons now and had was has been involved with the England under 21s.And also some reports are suggesting the fee is £15 million rising to £20 million which prem clubs haven't bit at ,so Boro wouldn't have got that fee for him from a Premier league team, as if they could Hackney would be wanting that move not staying in the championship We ain't unique with Phillips, Finnernan etc championship clubs lose their better youngsters in the exact same way all the time, even the prem clubs get their young players poached by bigger prem clubs for similar fees We did it with Tyjon ourselves to Rochdale. The rules need changing but crazily it's the efl clubs who voted these rules in 1 Quote
M_B Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 2 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said: nectarios triantis,who we were linked with with earlier in the window has confirmed he won`t be going back to hibs and will return to sunderland,good player this lad,was excellent in hibs unbeaten run last season,apparently sunderland will listen to offers,us and portsmouth interested,we really should be getting busy on this one,he`s a very good player,which sadly,we don`t seem to want them here😰  2 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said: nectarios triantis,who we were linked with with earlier in the window has confirmed he won`t be going back to hibs and will return to sunderland,good player this lad,was excellent in hibs unbeaten run last season,apparently sunderland will listen to offers,us and portsmouth interested,we really should be getting busy on this one,he`s a very good player,which sadly,we don`t seem to want them here😰 Thought you were quoting some Latin then, honestly 😂 I'm imagining Emma Watson saying it. 5 Quote
Torgeir Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago 1 hour ago, Ossydave said: If a footballer fails a medical its between us and them, they're technically medical records subject to confidentiality. Whilst they're a tiny club compared to us and won't have amazing facilities, you'd like to think they're aware of an underlying issue though. Yet you're implying that the injury might not exist. Go figure. Quote
roversfan99 Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago 1 hour ago, islander200 said: Rigg is still at Sunderland and hasn't been sold . Hackney has been a regular for boro for 2 seasons now and had was has been involved with the England under 21s.And also some reports are suggesting the fee is £15 million rising to £20 million which prem clubs haven't bit at ,so Boro wouldn't have got that fee for him from a Premier league team, as if they could Hackney would be wanting that move not staying in the championship We ain't unique with Phillips, Finnernan etc championship clubs lose their better youngsters in the exact same way all the time, even the prem clubs get their young players poached by bigger prem clubs for similar fees We did it with Tyjon ourselves to Rochdale. The rules need changing but crazily it's the efl clubs who voted these rules in I dont get this fixation with under 21 caps. Jason Lowe was the captain for them at one point. As if its critical and players only come onto radars if they have them. If you compare to Wharton, Hackney is 3 or 4 years older than what he was. And as you touch on, you cant compare to Tyjon etc who are unfortunately unprotected by the rules. Quote
roversfan99 Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago That winger we supposedly wanted from Al Ittihad seemingly wasnt involved in the squad for their friendly v Fulham today. Their first 11 is clearly well beyond him with the likes of Bergwijn, Benzema and Diaby but he seemingly wasnt a sub either. Dunno if its still on the radar but worth a mention. 2 Quote
MarkBRFC Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 1 minute ago, roversfan99 said: That winger we supposedly wanted from Al Ittihad seemingly wasnt involved in the squad for their friendly v Fulham today. Their first 11 is clearly well beyond him with the likes of Bergwijn, Benzema and Diaby but he seemingly wasnt a sub either. Dunno if its still on the radar but worth a mention. Think they would struggle with ESC places for both him and Baradji. Quote
islander200 Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: I dont get this fixation with under 21 caps. Jason Lowe was the captain for them at one point. As if its critical and players only come onto radars if they have them. If you compare to Wharton, Hackney is 3 or 4 years older than what he was. And as you touch on, you cant compare to Tyjon etc who are unfortunately unprotected by the rules. It's not a fixation but it's a pointer towards him being appreciated by the wider football community not just his own club. Daft you don't think it is.Playing for the national team at any age group gives bigger exposure than not being involved. He was playing in the under 21 tournament in the summer that scouts from all the major clubs and leagues would have been taking a major interest ffs.Poor players that have gone on to do nothing in their careers have played for underage teams nationally have I ever said they didn't. And if Whsrton was being appreciated as a world class talent outside of our fanbase and club(i include myself thinking he was )when with us you can guarantee he would have been making the under 21s and bigger clubs than Crystal Palace would have been in for him whether it was January or not I'm not comparing Wharton and Hackney, 1 of them got a move to the Premier league the other is moving to a championship club willing to pay more than prem clubs for him Quote
chaddyrovers Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 9 hours ago, Jimmy612 said: You could argue that not backing Eustace ended ours. Boro were 7th when they sold Latte Lath, they finished 8th. Impossible to say whether they would have broken the top 6 if they'd kept him. Point is, Gibson is a very good owner who invests in his club. They'll make good signings, they'll make bad signings, they'll good managerial appointments, they'll make bad ones, but you always have a feeling Boro are motivated to succeed. Since we got relegated in 2012 they've; Been automatically promoted, Had a season in the Prem, Had 3 top 6 finishes 5 top 10 finishes We've been relegated to L1 and never made the Champ play-offs yet. I tell what end our promotion bid and it wasn't losing Eustace but losing to teams like Plymouth away, Derby away, Stoke home and away, Hull at home, Cardiff at home. Boro shouldn't have signed Latth in January window like they did. Yon don't sell your best striker when going for playoffs 8 hours ago, roversfan99 said: It does feel like there is a lack of urgency around transfers. And that the big chunk of our business has been done, just wanting a couple more but nothing close. The players we have signed do in the main feel like plugging gaps in the squad rather than improving the team. Do we know what is actually behind the scenes? we could be close to a signing or we might be, We have signed that fit the type of players Ismael wanted at the summer. 3 hours ago, roversfan99 said: To really commit to accelerating Tyjon's rise into the first team, I feel like he really needs to commit to a new contract to warrant that. And he wants to see if he going to be part of the first team squad first before committing. Quote
NeilInBristol Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 8 hours ago, TheRevAshton said: Blackburn Rovers' transfer window so far; Sidnei Tavares Dion De Neve Ryan Alebiosu Sean McLoughlin Hull City's transfer window so far; Gustavo Puerta Reda Laalaoui Semi Ajayi Akin Famewo Dillon Phillips Joel Ndala (Loan) Brandon Williams (On trial) John Lundstram (Soon) Hull City, who are under a 3-window embargo, have so far had a significantly better window than us... just let that sink in. Genuinely curious here. If they are on an embargo how come they can sign these guys? I feel like we are on some kind of embargo tbh. In recent windows, Cantwell was the only signing I was excited about and he hasn't exactly blown us away Quote
chaddyrovers Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 10 hours ago, roversfan99 said: My opinion is that you think that we need another 3 signings because that is what Ismael has said publically that we are trying to do. I have done a squad plan for you and I said which position I want to strengthen. Ismael wants another centre midfielder whilst I don't want another but another striker. Which is DIFFERENT to what Ismael wants. 10 hours ago, roversfan99 said: The idea of players all chipping in is a nice one but I am just pointing out that a number of the players we have in attacking areas have not really got a track record of doing so and it would be unlikely (not impossible) to see them considerably increase that output this season. Which is why I am calling for a few more additions there.  10 hours ago, roversfan99 said: And which is probably part of the reason why Gestede said before the summer that we want more power and quality across the front line. Proof will be in the pudding as to whether they manage to bring more goals and attacking quality in. As it stands with just over a week to go, they have failed to do that and indeed have actually seen us become weaker in those areas. Does the transfer window end in just over a week? The time to judge whether we are weaker or stronger is by performances, plenty of people wrote us off last season and look how badly wrong they were when Gestede said that comment I took it as the wide areas aswell not just striker area 10 hours ago, roversfan99 said: If that does happen, excellent. If that doesnt happen, I wont be swallowing the crap they peddle as to why that has changed.  Quote
NeilInBristol Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 17 minutes ago, islander200 said: It's not a fixation but it's a pointer towards him being appreciated by the wider football community not just his own club. Daft you don't think it is.Playing for the national team at any age group gives bigger exposure than not being involved. He was playing in the under 21 tournament in the summer that scouts from all the major clubs and leagues would have been taking a major interest ffs.Poor players that have gone on to do nothing in their careers have played for underage teams nationally have I ever said they didn't. And if Whsrton was being appreciated as a world class talent outside of our fanbase and club(i include myself thinking he was )when with us you can guarantee he would have been making the under 21s and bigger clubs than Crystal Palace would have been in for him whether it was January or not I'm not comparing Wharton and Hackney, 1 of them got a move to the Premier league the other is moving to a championship club willing to pay more than prem clubs for him Yeh I think the u21s isn't about comparison between England and England u21s they are definitely a different category but like islander says it's all about recognition. Mainly it's that opportunity to play with quality players who are a cut above the rest and from different leagues (usually prem) so hackney is decent and has got something about him and is rated but he is no Wharton. I also wondered if the costs and value have changed in the past 18 months. If a club were to buy hackney in Jan 2023 it may have been 15m. Quote
NeilInBristol Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 2 hours ago, Ossydave said: Â I'm not disputing for one minute that Venkys are a set of cunts with how they go about their business like, need to make that perfectly clear! Â Here here Quote
chaddyrovers Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 10 hours ago, Mercer said: You rubbished Ipswich's signing of Delap and look where he is now! I understand Mowbray turned down the chance to take Delap on loan from City in his last January window with Rovers!!!!!!! What is Ismael very happy about? Do you honestly believe he would come out in public and say 'really, we need another 5 to 6 QUALITY additions'. In all fairness to Moyes he's done that at Everton. I think you are incredibly naive and gullible and just post parrot fashion whatever bullsh1t comes out of Rovers. woah, is that it? Delap who had a terrible championship and he never performed well enough to get that type of money spent on him. Read Ismael comments to Jackson over the last few weeks. Ismael said at the end of last season he wanted 6 or 7 signings and we are on course of for that. same old boring repeatably words about me Mercer, you sound like a Broken Record. Quote
roversfan99 Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: I tell what end our promotion bid and it wasn't losing Eustace but losing to teams like Plymouth away, Derby away, Stoke home and away, Hull at home, Cardiff at home. Boro shouldn't have signed Latth in January window like they did. Yon don't sell your best striker when going for playoffs Do we know what is actually behind the scenes? we could be close to a signing or we might be, We have signed that fit the type of players Ismael wanted at the summer. And he wants to see if he going to be part of the first team squad first before committing. So you keep parroting, Rudy. On paper, they appear to be predominantly filling gaps in the squad, in my opinion. Gaps that needed filling all the same but still. Your constant "type of player that Ismael wants" line doesnt really argue for or against that. Your logic regarding Eustace is so flawed. Of course losing him made a difference. You could look through the Kean relegation based on your logic and say, no, it wasnt keeping him that saw us relegated, its dropped points in games x and y that did it. Losing a key manager has a direct impact upon those results. And I think we can all see Tyjon leaving next summer unless he signs a new contract ASAP. Seen this story before. Quote
wilsdenrover Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 11 minutes ago, NeilInBristol said: Genuinely curious here. If they are on an embargo how come they can sign these guys? I feel like we are on some kind of embargo tbh. In recent windows, Cantwell was the only signing I was excited about and he hasn't exactly blown us away They’re not under an embargo they’re under a fee restriction. This means they can only make free signings ( or loan signings where no fee is involved). As an aside, even clubs under an embargo can sign players under certain circumstances. 1 Quote
chaddyrovers Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: So you keep parroting, Rudy. WFT, are you going on about? 6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: On paper, they appear to be predominantly filling gaps in the squad, in my opinion. Gaps that needed filling all the same but still. Your constant "type of player that Ismael wants" line doesnt really argue for or against that. Already answered all this more than once. You again keep repeatedly going on and on. 6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: Your logic regarding Eustace is so flawed. Of course losing him made a difference. I have posted my opinion on why we didn't make playoffs and this is why. If you disagree fine but I won't be. 6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: And I think we can all see Tyjon leaving next summer unless he signs a new contract ASAP. Seen this story before. Ok. Quote
chaddyrovers Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 1 minute ago, wilsdenrover said: They’re not under an embargo they’re under a fee restriction. This means they can only make free signings ( or loan signings where no fee is involved). As an aside, even clubs under an embargo can sign players under certain circumstances. But EFL check the terms they are offering to make it meets the restriction they under Quote
islander200 Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago Preston have bid £3 million for Kone at Wycombe according to the BBC. No major sales and they can bid 3 times what we will be bidding for players I wouldn't be surprised if the hold up on further spending is them wanting to know what's happening with Brittain, not because any of his potential fee would be added to the budget though, it will be because we will have to stretch the already shitty budget to bringing a right back in as if you take what Rudy said as truth the budget is what it is 4 Quote
wilsdenrover Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: But EFL check the terms they are offering to make it meets the restriction they under Given all transfer fees pass through the EFLs accounts I’m sure they’d notice if a club who can’t pay fees tried to do so… 1 Quote
Mercer Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago (edited) 25 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: woah, is that it? Delap who had a terrible championship and he never performed well enough to get that type of money spent on him. Read Ismael comments to Jackson over the last few weeks. Ismael said at the end of last season he wanted 6 or 7 signings and we are on course of for that. same old boring repeatably words about me Mercer, you sound like a Broken Record. Feck me - 'a terrible Championship' but 1 in 3 in the PL and chased by both MU and Chelsea..................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He wanted 6 or 7 BEFORE losing Batth, Dolan and Weimann so presumably he wanted 9 or 10! TBH Chaddy, reading your posts about Rovers is like living in an echo chamber with you merely regurgitating everything that emanates from Rovers, bullshit or otherwise. Get a life and post what you TRULY THINK instead of just the sh1te from Rovers. Edited 16 hours ago by Mercer 2 Quote
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