magicalmortensleftpeg Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 13 hours ago, glen9mullan said: This was never about contracts This is ALL on Rudy gestede, his treatment of staff and players and total arrogance. This started in the last summer when JE invited Weimann to train at Rovers to earn a contract. Gestede hit the roof and wanted him off the training ground. JE convinced Waggott Weimann could do a job, against Gestedes wishes. That was the beginning of the end of JE and Gestedes relationship. The day JE left Weimann was summoned by Gestede and informed his days at Rovers were over. Weimann opted to then have a little op to ensure he could get new club in summer. This was pure spite by Gestede as he didn't forgive JE for bringing Weimann in. Gestede then pushed a number of employees out the door for none performance related issues . One employee due to not covering her arms at the training ground. Ive spoken to a number of employees who have departed and some there, but to protect their identities and in some cases NDAs I wont name them The senior players and sadly Leonard challenged Gestede for dressing down employees and being nasty and in some cases making them cry. Leonard for his part was banished to train with the kids. The rest for none footballing reasons and certainly not for contractual reasons (you actually need to be offered a contract to sign one) have all been dismissed this window (all members of the players council). How anyone can defend the ciub is beyond me. The best thing about x now is no one can see who likes your tweets. My own tweets its rather damning given the amount of players,,relatives and staff are liking what im posting. (As people know I wil never post a thing i can't prove). No Gestede , JE would not have exited thats a fact. These lads not being offered contracts which was RG job, is not an error. It was deliberate to drive them out the club. I believe (my opinion) the damage hes created in one summer is more than any single person has at any time in the last 15 years. This aint a plan of success, this is malicious and been made personal due to people refusing to accept bullying at our training ground Many current staff are walking on egg shells in fear . One significant departed member of staff i spoke to for 2 hours on the phone a couple of weeks ago and it was extremely alarming whats gone down at the training ground. Strangely Suhail is barely mentioned in any if these conversations. Its always Gestede. This aint gonna end well unless that man is removed Players weren’t offered contracts because the club would have known the terms the players wanted through agents. Why would they put an offer in writing if they know the player would reject it? The bigger issue is not whether players were offered formal contracts, but why we can’t compete financially with the likes of Derby or Middlesbrough, given the wealth of our owners. Jumping on whether a contract was technically offered or not is missing the point entirely. I dont doubt there’s plenty wrong behind the scenes, but you’re desperate to whip up the fans at any opportunity to boost your ego. The conspiracy theories are tedious and distracting from the main problems. As an aside, Hyam being sold yesterday is a farce and has undone any of the good work achieved over the summer. Quote
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Polky Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago I’m surprised Batty didn’t get another loan move. Did pretty well at Accy last season and was expecting him to get another L2 move minimum. Quote
RoyWegerlesLeftToe Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago I don't get the hoo haa about the halal food. It's just easier to make everything halal than some halal and some not. Why is it an issue? What are staff missing out on? Religion isn't being forced upon anyone. Christ. I'm an atheist, but if my work place wanted to do fish only on a Friday because some members of staff are catholic then fine. There are major issues at our club, but halal food isn't one of them and mentioning it misses the point completely. Please grow up people. 6 Quote
superniko Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago (edited) 4 minutes ago, RoyWegerlesLeftToe said: I don't get the hoo haa about the halal food. It's just easier to make everything halal than some halal and some not. Why is it an issue? What are staff missing out on? Religion isn't being forced upon anyone. Christ. I'm an atheist, but if my work place wanted to do fish only on a Friday because some members of staff are catholic then fine. There are major issues at our club, but halal food isn't one of them and mentioning it misses the point completely. Please grow up people. Isn't that exactly what's happening in those two scenarios (1. halal as only option due to religious beliefs and 2. fish as only option due to religious beliefs) Surely choice is the answer, not pandering for one belief or another. Agree with the 2nd part though that major issues exist at the club, and this isn't particularly one of them. Edited 7 hours ago by superniko 3 1 Quote
aletheia Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 37 minutes ago, Goozburger said: The big worry is losing Championship experience. The new players have a huge job on their hands to show that they can step in. I can imagine they will want to prove those worries wrong. Whether they will or not is another question. What I do believe is that footballers have the same mentality as any of us that work when it comes to wanting a move. You don't move for less money than what you're on unless there are extenuating circumstances, and I doubt the players really feel the Venky mishandling that we as supporters feel and have to continue to deal with. My guy instinct tells me that it's fanciful to put it down to anything else than the players that have left knew that they could get bumper deals next summer if leaving for free. That's always been the case, and Rovers aren't the only ones affected by that particular state of play. But whatever the reason, or even if contract renewals aren't being offers, the club is then left with the choice of doing what it's done in the past (far too often in my view), which is to let them go for free in a year's time, or get a few million for them now and try to deal with the problem. I'm not against the latter, and many have complained about the club not doing that in years gone by. Well they're certainly doing it now. Whether the replacements work out is another matter. I thought you weren't going to speculate on off-field matters, just focus on the match? But here you are, with a steady trickle of possibilities. I think some of the players certainly did feel unhappy about the Venky mishandling. And I certanly think it was more than just they could get better deals elsewhere. Incidentally, given you prefer not to think/talk about Venky and other off field shenanigans that you can't control, you certainly seem to do just that. In the same vein, I can't control Trump or Netanyahu's behaviour, but I certainly talk about it and worry about it. Quote
M_B Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, roversfan99 said: But again, I suspect that sort of result will happen more than once. We dont have a squad at a level that isnt competitive. But we have lost the experience, the know how, the whole defence, the above average manager and didnt have the goal threat to begin with to swerve tight games in our favour. Be interesting to see who emerges as the best manager this season Edited 7 hours ago by M_B Quote
RoyWegerlesLeftToe Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 7 minutes ago, superniko said: Isn't that exactly what's happening in those two scenarios (1. halal as only option due to religious beliefs and 2. fish as only option due to religious beliefs) Surely choice is the answer, not pandering for one belief or another. Agree with the 2nd part though that major issues exist at the club, and this isn't particularly one of them. I don't understand how if the food happens to be halal it's forcing religion on you. I could serve you a bottle of wine which is vegan but I'm not forcing veganism on you. 1 Quote
CambridgeRover Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 2 minutes ago, RoyWegerlesLeftToe said: I don't understand how if the food happens to be halal it's forcing religion on you. I could serve you a bottle of wine which is vegan but I'm not forcing veganism on you. you must see the difference between offering a range of products which includes vegan products and only offering vegan products. as in hey some of our food is halal versus now all of our food is halal. 1 Quote
Goozburger Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago (edited) 16 minutes ago, aletheia said: I thought you weren't going to speculate on off-field matters, just focus on the match? But here you are, with a steady trickle of possibilities. Where did I say that? I said it's nicer when I don't focus on off-field matters. You'll no doubt take that wrongly, but when I do "switch off", at least I'm not thinking about what is going on behind the scenes. When I'm here talking about it, it gets me down, just as I'm sure it does everyone else. But Rovers are insidious (not a nice way of putting it) these days. What can I do? 🙂 Edited 7 hours ago by Goozburger 1 Quote
LDRover Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 4 hours ago, RutlandRover said: Basically chucking everything on Carter getting fit, having the season of his life and not getting injured. And then getting sold Quote
Popular Post bluebruce Posted 7 hours ago Popular Post Posted 7 hours ago (edited) 20 minutes ago, Davewilli said: No history? been in Europe more times than you, an older club than you, ha ha You wanna fuck off somewhere else like? A Wrexham board maybe? We're kind of in the middle of a few things here. Been in Europe have you? You've never even been in the top flight or won a trophy that wasn't absolutely tinpot, so whatever backwater backdoor you accomplished that through doesn't even matter. I'm quite sure we'd have won the 'Welsh Cup' a few dozen times if we were eligible for it, given we've been above you in the leagues for almost every season we've both existed. There was no Cup Winners Cup when we won our trophies, and there was no Champions League or UEFA Cup etc during most of our title wins and top 6 finishes. You've had more European forays through quirks of the system at the time, and being Welsh, that's all. TBC, I didn't mean you're not an old club, and actually I respect small local clubs and I watch your documentary. I'm actually quite happy for you and your town, albeit jealous you've managed to land good owners whilst we languish with our fuckwits and no light at the end of the tunnel. But if you're going to pipe up...by fuck all history I meant it really pales into insignificance next to ours - founder members of the football league and Premiership, the first professional footballer, 3 league titles, 6 FA Cups, 1 League Cup, significant trophies across all three centuries, more than half of our history spent in the top flight. Congratulations, you were founded 11 years earlier than us, but you haven't ever been in the top flight or won anything anybody gives a ha'penny shit about. Your future looks brighter than ours at present, but your history isn't in the same stratosphere at all. Edited 7 hours ago by bluebruce Mods, I see you've rightly deleted his post, feel free to delete mine too if you wish 17 Quote
TheKitGuy Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago If you compare the league one side to our current side... That team walks all over this one. That should tell you everything you need to know. 4 Quote
BlackburnEnd75 Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 1 hour ago, Exiled_Rover said: We genuinely don't have enough CBs on the books to play 3 at the back (consistently). My think was is often if you dont have two competent cbs you are better off playing 3 at the back to minimise the damage. Utilising full backs in the wider roles as something in between a proper centre back and a full back. I think my point would it be betyer to have pickering and miller playing as part of a back 3 rather than miller playing consistenly as a cb in a back 4. Quote
aletheia Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 11 minutes ago, Goozburger said: When I'm here talking about it, it gets me down, There is a remedy of course 🙂 1 Quote
Leonard Venkhater Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 51 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said: You can respect their religion without being restricted to their beliefs. Ha..No wonder they refused my request for Stations of the Cross at half time lol 3 Quote
Bronzed A Donis Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 8 minutes ago, bluebruce said: You wanna fuck off somewhere else like? A Wrexham board maybe? We're kind of in the middle of a few things here. Been in Europe have you? You've never even been in the top flight or won a trophy that wasn't absolutely tinpot, so whatever backwater backdoor you accomplished that through doesn't even matter. I'm quite sure we'd have won the 'Welsh Cup' a few dozen times if we were eligible for it, given we've been above you in the leagues for almost every season we've both existed. There was no Cup Winners Cup when we won our trophies, and there was no Champions League or UEFA Cup etc during most of our title wins and top 6 finishes. You've had more European forays through quirks of the system at the time, and being Welsh, that's all. TBC, I didn't mean you're not an old club, and actually I respect small local clubs and I watch your documentary. I'm actually quite happy for you and your town, albeit jealous you've managed to land good owners whilst we languish with our fuckwits and no light at the end of the tunnel. But if you're going to pipe up...by fuck all history I meant it really pales into insignificance next to ours - founder members of the football league and Premiership, the first professional footballer, 3 league titles, 6 FA Cups, 1 League Cup, significant trophies across all three centuries, more than half of our history spent in the top flight. Congratulations, you were founded 11 years earlier than us, but you haven't ever been in the top flight or won anything anybody gives a ha'penny shit about. Your future looks brighter than ours at present, but your history isn't in the same stratosphere at all. We've also never been beaten at home by Barry Town or lost to Llanelli after being 2-0 up in competive games. Dave won't recall that as it was pre takeover. 4 Quote
yankfan Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 16 hours ago, NeilInBristol said: Who have we signed now He’ll be gone in the January window, so only for a few months 1 Quote
TugaysMarlboro Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago Just now, Bronzed A Donis said: We've also never been beaten at home by Barry Town or lost to Llanelli after being 2-0 up in competive games. Dave won't recall that as it was pre takeover. Dave probably wasn't a supporter pre takeover either. Quote
LDRover Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 3 hours ago, bob fleming said: This. The one constant has been Suhail. 15 years at the top of the tree, most of which went under the radar somehow. So…. not that the owners ever define their Mission Statement or their Goal for a season… if that was achieving promotion then that would bring accountability. I mean at any other club sitting in the top 6 then losing your manager and failing to reach the play offs (never mind promotion) would be considered a failure, a monumental one at that. "How did it go so wrong?!" the owners would ask after another £20m was allegedly frittered away for a season. "Blooming 'eck Suhail, you keep at it lad, another 15 years and you'll get the hang of this!" they'd chuckle in India. However, the Goal, the Mission for the season is never defined. Ask most supporters come August every year and their expectations are that the club will do all it can to be promoted. What an assumption to make. One that I make myself I hasten to add. I mean if they want any chance of getting their money back the only way to do so is through promotion to the Premier League isn’t it? Everyone knows that don't they? It's obvious isn't it? You wouldn’t know. I don’t feel a burning desire to get there do you? There are plenty of Rudy's out there, we've had a revolving door fitted for them, but Suhail has to go. Why on earth he is still here now is a complete mystery. If you judge him on my goals and what I’d like to see Blackburn Rovers achieve every year for the last 15, he’s a walking failure. A loser. And after this last transfer window I'd suggest he's going to fail again. You’ve really got to wonder what the owners see in him after 15 years. Great post and great to hear from you again sir. 3 Quote
yankfan Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 14 minutes ago, BlackburnEnd75 said: My think was is often if you dont have two competent cbs you are better off playing 3 at the back to minimise the damage. Utilising full backs in the wider roles as something in between a proper centre back and a full back. I think my point would it be betyer to have pickering and miller playing as part of a back 3 rather than miller playing consistenly as a cb in a back 4. And that would then solve the Tavares issue. The issue being he shouldn’t be on the pitch. 1 Quote
AVE1875 Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 21 minutes ago, bluebruce said: You wanna fuck off somewhere else like? A Wrexham board maybe? We're kind of in the middle of a few things here. Been in Europe have you? You've never even been in the top flight or won a trophy that wasn't absolutely tinpot, so whatever backwater backdoor you accomplished that through doesn't even matter. I'm quite sure we'd have won the 'Welsh Cup' a few dozen times if we were eligible for it, given we've been above you in the leagues for almost every season we've both existed. There was no Cup Winners Cup when we won our trophies, and there was no Champions League or UEFA Cup etc during most of our title wins and top 6 finishes. You've had more European forays through quirks of the system at the time, and being Welsh, that's all. TBC, I didn't mean you're not an old club, and actually I respect small local clubs and I watch your documentary. I'm actually quite happy for you and your town, albeit jealous you've managed to land good owners whilst we languish with our fuckwits and no light at the end of the tunnel. But if you're going to pipe up...by fuck all history I meant it really pales into insignificance next to ours - founder members of the football league and Premiership, the first professional footballer, 3 league titles, 6 FA Cups, 1 League Cup, significant trophies across all three centuries, more than half of our history spent in the top flight. Congratulations, you were founded 11 years earlier than us, but you haven't ever been in the top flight or won anything anybody gives a ha'penny shit about. Your future looks brighter than ours at present, but your history isn't in the same stratosphere at all. 👏 👏 I missed all of this, but you well and truly shut this overreaching clown down! 👍🤣 2 1 Quote
LDRover Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 8 minutes ago, yankfan said: And that would then solve the Tavares issue. The issue being he shouldn’t be on the pitch. If heaven is still missing an angel I'd suggest he goes and fills the void. 2 1 Quote
G Somerset Rover Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago (edited) I forgot about Pickering. I predict Gestede will be lauding him as a flexible left back turned centre half in this forthcoming podcast. Edited 6 hours ago by G Somerset Rover Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, BRFC. said: No wonder venkys have gotten away with it for 15 years and now Rudy and Pasha are able to run the place freely.. unless you’re being sarcastic They haven't gotten away with it. The ground is half empty every week, tens of thousands hate them and they're on the hook for £200m. The apathy is because they're thousands of miles away seem to have the finances for that not to bother them. 2 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago To go from a back line of Brittain, Hyam, Batth,..... to what they'll cobble together now is genuinely scary. On their day all the defensive bods we have left are half decent but inconsistent and injury prone. Brittain was the best RWB outside the top clubs, Hyam the most reliable CB injury wise, Batth was usually our best CB game per game and the team was built on reasonable foundations with the help of Trav and Trons. That has been completely torn away and now it's pick and mix time with a soft centre in front of them so anything can happen now and probably will. 1 Quote
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