bluebruce Posted May 18 Posted May 18 22 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: We can't know this unless Murray as something if he is even coming here which everyone is assuming he is. I think its a done deal given Elliott Jackson reposted the story of him leaving Eastbourne on Saturdayย I meant we can know that Unleaded was only speculating. Given that's what we were talking about, I thought you were responding that we can't know he was speculating, which we can. If you meant we can't know which rumour is correct, if either, then I agree. 2 Quote
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KentExile Posted May 18 Posted May 18 (edited) Very strange decision, was not first choice in the 7th tier when on loan.ย He was signed as cover for Workingtons injured first choice and dropped once he returned, in the last few games of the season Workington didn't even bother naming him (or any other keeper) on their bench Over 21, so if included in the first team squad he takes up a squad place too ย Edited May 18 by KentExile 1 Quote
MarkBRFC Posted May 18 Posted May 18 My thinking is that some prem team will take Pears to be 3rd choice in the summer and Barrett will be promoted to back up behind Toth. Cheap and cheerful. 1 Quote
KentExile Posted May 18 Posted May 18 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said: My thinking is that some prem team will take Pears to be 3rd choice in the summer and Barrett will be promoted to back up behind Toth. Cheap and cheerful. That is a terrifying thought ๐ย https://www.playmakerstats.com/player/jack-barrett/660024 ย G M GC AST Premier League International Cup 4 360 6 0 Premier League 2 8 720 21 0 Northern Premier League 8 720 12 0 U21 PL Cup 3 270 7 0 National League Cup 3 270 11 0 Total 26 2340 57 0 ย B ย Edited May 18 by KentExile 1 Quote
davulsukur Posted May 18 Posted May 18 11 minutes ago, KentExile said: Very strange decision, was not first choice in the 7th tier when on loan (he was signed as covered for Workingtons injured first choice and dropped once he returned) Over 21, so if included in the first team squad he takes up a squad place too ย We also have about 10 keepers for the U21's, thought there were a couple of others ahead of him, or at least a couple more highly rated than him? Maybe Pears is off and this guy becomes No.2, which is crazy but expected of this regime. 1 Quote
KentExile Posted May 18 Posted May 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, davulsukur said: We also have about 10 keepers for the U21's, thought there were a couple of others ahead of him, or at least a couple more highly rated than him? Maybe Pears is off and this guy becomes No.2, which is crazy but expected of this regime. Hilton left in January, Eastham, Goddard & Kahn are out of contract this summer.ย Michalski & Honor are the 2 who are currently in contract from the U21s. Then we have Wolsoncroft, Thompson & Holt in the U18s Edited May 18 by KentExile 1 Quote
arbitro Posted May 18 Posted May 18 18 minutes ago, KentExile said: Very strange decision, was not first choice in the 7th tier when on loan (he was signed as covered for Workingtons injured first choice and dropped once he returned) Over 21, so if included in the first team squad he takes up a squad place too ย It's certainly a strange decision. I honestly can't ever see him challenging for a first team place and see him more as aย blocker for the pathways of our younger keepers. It's the low hanging fruit again from Gestede. The real effort should be in getting new deals done for the senior players whose contracts are winding down. 6 Quote
simongarnerisgod Posted May 18 Posted May 18 this is a decision that illustrates that nobody in the club has a clue what they are doing,it makes absolutely no sense at all to retain a 20 odd year old goalkeeper who is never going to make a 1st team appearance,he did`nt even make an impression when loaned out in the non league 5 Quote
Forever Blue Posted May 18 Posted May 18 Peter OโRourke linking us with an 18 year old Right Back called Tristan Rowe on loan from Aston Villa. Our cup runneth overโฆ. 1 Quote
M_B Posted May 18 Posted May 18 3 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said: For reference, this is the game:ย ย To be fair, it looks like Dolan was being asked to play left wing AND left back. Talk about a defence going awol. Quote
chaddyrovers Posted May 18 Posted May 18 2 hours ago, arbitro said: It's certainly a strange decision. I honestly can't ever see him challenging for a first team place and see him more as aย blocker for the pathways of our younger keepers. It's the low hanging fruit again from Gestede. The real effort should be in getting new deals done for the senior players whose contracts are winding down. I've never seen him play so can't comment on ability but is there anything that stand out about him as keeper or just the run of mill keeper?ย Would you pick Michalski over him and would Michalski be the 3rd choice keeper next season for you?ย 40 minutes ago, M_B said: To be fair, it looks like Dolan was being asked to play left wing AND left back. Talk about a defence going awol. was Pickering not the left back with Dolan on the left wing?ย Stoke City - Blackburn Rovers, Mar 10, 2023 - Championship - Match sheet | Transfermarkt Quote
M_B Posted May 18 Posted May 18 2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: I've never seen him play so can't comment on ability but is there anything that stand out about him as keeper or just the run of mill keeper?ย Would you pick Michalski over him and would Michalski be the 3rd choice keeper next season for you?ย was Pickering not the left back with Dolan on the left wing?ย Stoke City - Blackburn Rovers, Mar 10, 2023 - Championship - Match sheet | Transfermarkt Supposedly,i think Pickering was having one of his off nights. Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted May 18 Posted May 18 1 hour ago, Forever Blue said: Peter OโRourke linking us with an 18 year old Right Back called Tristan Rowe on loan from Aston Villa. Our cup runneth overโฆ. Another roll of the dice on a lad that hasn't played a minute of Men's football.ย Be still my beating heart.ย Quote
islander200 Posted May 18 Posted May 18 Sell Brittain for ยฃ3 or ยฃ4 million and replace him with a kid from Villa's academy sounds about right for Venky owned Rovers 3 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted May 18 Posted May 18 Can't believe we never seem to have a capable looking keeper coming through the ranks the academy certainly isn't doing its job with this position. Can't live off Raya forever and even Pears cost about half million but modern young keepers are largely shite anyway at actual goal keeping. Can dribble around their box though and are 6'4" ! Quote
Backroom Mike E Posted May 18 Backroom Posted May 18 25 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said: Can't believe we never seem to have a capable looking keeper coming through the ranks the academy certainly isn't doing its job with this position. Can't live off Raya forever and even Pears cost about half million but modern young keepers are largely shite anyway at actual goal keeping. Can dribble around their box though and are 6'4" ! Especially given their record of reasonably serviceable keepers prior to Rays, with Jake Keane and Frankie Fielding. 1 Quote
Upside Down Posted May 18 Author Posted May 18 50 minutes ago, Mike E said: Especially given their record of reasonably serviceable keepers prior to Rays, with Jake Keane and Frankie Fielding. You can't teach talent. You can however teach your goalkeeper that when a cross comes into the six yard box you fucking catch it! Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted May 18 Posted May 18 1 hour ago, Tomphil2 said: Can't believe we never seem to have a capable looking keeper coming through the ranks the academy certainly isn't doing its job with this position. Can't live off Raya forever and even Pears cost about half million but modern young keepers are largely shite anyway at actual goal keeping. Can dribble around their box though and are 6'4" ! That's the nature of the Academy - you have to play with the hand you are dealt.ย Michalski is meant to be talented, but he's 17.ย Quote
chaddyrovers Posted May 18 Posted May 18 1 hour ago, Tomphil2 said: Can't believe we never seem to have a capable looking keeper coming through the ranks the academy certainly isn't doing its job with this position. Can't live off Raya forever and even Pears cost about half million but modern young keepers are largely shite anyway at actual goal keeping. Can dribble around their box though and are 6'4" ! Michalski is the best young keeper we got. England under 18's international keeper 1 Quote
Mashed Potatoes Posted May 18 Posted May 18 15 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said: That's the nature of the Academy - you have to play with the hand you are dealt.ย Michalski is meant to be talented, but he's 17.ย He was 18 in March Quote
KentExile Posted May 19 Posted May 19 (edited) 8 hours ago, chaddyrovers said: Michalski is the best young keeper we got. England under 18's international keeper The first part is true.ย Michalski is Rovers best young keeper The 2nd part could be misinterpreted.ย Whilst Michalski has played for England U18s, he is not their first choice goalkeeper as your post could inadvertently lead people to believe, he has 3 caps at that levelย totaling less than 90 minutes, and was omitted from the squad last time aroundย whilst still being eligible This is not to have a dig at Michaski, just to make sure that we are not getting ahead our ourselves with his development.ย He is not England's stand out in his position in his age group, he is one of several talented young keepers that England have at that level Also, as previously mentioned, he is now 18 ย Edited May 19 by KentExile 2 Quote
arbitro Posted May 19 Posted May 19 11 hours ago, chaddyrovers said: I've never seen him play so can't comment on ability but is there anything that stand out about him as keeper or just the run of mill keeper?ย Would you pick Michalski over him and would Michalski be the 3rd choice keeper next season for you?ย was Pickering not the left back with Dolan on the left wing?ย Stoke City - Blackburn Rovers, Mar 10, 2023 - Championship - Match sheet | Transfermarkt I have seen Barrett make some terrific saves but other elements of his game aren't so good particularly his kicking and passing. He is a diluted version of Pears in my view. I suspect he has signed primarily to travel with the first team as third keeper leaving Michalski to play regularly for the reserves or even to go out on loan. However that logic is flawed to me as I believe Michalski is a better keeper right now. I'm sure Gestede will be boasting soon about the new deals he has done in Powell, Pratt, Litherland and Barrett but those kind of deals are a doddle to do as those players are desperate to sign and wouldn't have many other options. We need the experienced first team players whose contracts are up soon tying down. 3 Quote
KentExile Posted May 19 Posted May 19 (edited) 41 minutes ago, arbitro said: I have seen Barrett make some terrific saves but other elements of his game aren't so good particularly his kicking and passing. He is a diluted version of Pears in my view. I suspect he has signed primarily to travel with the first team as third keeper leaving Michalski to play regularly for the reserves or even to go out on loan. However that logic is flawed to me as I believe Michalski is a better keeper right now. I'm sure Gestede will be boasting soon about the new deals he has done in Powell, Pratt, Litherland and Barrett but those kind of deals are a doddle to do as those players are desperate to sign and wouldn't have many other options. We need the experienced first team players whose contracts are up soon tying down. If the plan is that Barrett is going to be an overage keeper for the U21s allowing Michalski to go out and gets a full season or 2 out on loan at a good level, then signing him up makes some sense.ย Although if this is the case, then it is a damning indictment on what the coaches think of the other goalkeepers Rovers have at that level.ย Personally I would have loaned out Michalski, have Solomon Honor as the U21 keeper next season, and Barrett would not have been given a contract (If injuries are picked up, recall rules for keepers are different as Bournemouth showed with Travers a while back) Makes much less sense however, if the plan is to have Michalski be first choice for the U21s,ย Edited May 19 by KentExile 2 Quote
arbitro Posted May 19 Posted May 19 11 minutes ago, KentExile said: If the plan is that Barrett is going to be an overage keeper for the U21s allowing Michalski to go out and gets a full season or 2 out on loan at a good level, then signing him up makes some sense.ย Although if this is the case, then it is a damning indictment on what the coaches think of the other goalkeepers Rovers have at that level.ย Personally I would have loaned out Michalski, have Solomon Honor as the U21 keeper next season, and Barrett would not have been given a contract (If injuries are picked up, recall rules for keepers are different as Bournemouth showed with Travers a while back) Make much much less sense however, if the plan is to have Michalski be first choice for the U21s,ย The dilemma when sending players (particularly keepers) out on loan is where they go to actually improve. I saw both Honor and Michalski as loanees last season and the standard of football was poor. I see a lot of NWC and NPL and Iย don't think the overall standard is very good. I would set as a minimum the NLN for our loan players. Hopefully the under 21's get involved in plenty of competitions again as it seems we will have an abundance of players. 1 Quote
KentExile Posted May 19 Posted May 19 (edited) 10 minutes ago, arbitro said: The dilemma when sending players (particularly keepers) out on loan is where they go to actually improve. I saw both Honor and Michalski as loanees last season and the standard of football was poor. I see a lot of NWC and NPL and Iย don't think the overall standard is very good. I would set as a minimum the NLN for our loan players. Hopefully the under 21's get involved in plenty of competitions again as it seems we will have an abundance of players. We shall have to hope that whoever our new loan manager turns out to be, knows what he is doing then. The hiring of someone in that position would imply to me that the plan is to get more players out on loan than this season, and/or at clubs that are a better fit for their development Edited May 19 by KentExile Quote
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