v Ipswich Town (h) - 02/12/25

[London blue]

1 minute ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Gueye is the current scapegoat. He can't do anything right on this board.

Can I ask what he has contributed this season?

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, Wheelton Blue said:

The fact remains that 3 points were there to be won. 

Why we didn't is due to a poor manager, making poor decisions, with poor players.

Everything else is excuse making.

I hope you take that approach to your own life - you're obviously hugely successful.

[47er]

3 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Gueye is the current scapegoat. He can't do anything right on this board.

True. I suspect that Gaye would do very well in League 1 and attract offers from Championship clubs the season after.

That's if he doesn't go abroad of course.

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, joey_big_nose said:

Genuinely think we may play both Mori and Cantwell. Think first team when we have the shorter term injuries back is :

                                 Toth

          Miller        McCloughlin     Pratt

Alebiosu    Mori     Tronstad     Cantwell   Hedges

                      Ohashi     Gudjohnson

Subs : Pears, Litherland, Pickering, Baradji, Forshaw, De Neve, TGH, Montgomery, Gueye

                                

That leaves you far too exposed in midfield.

[Exiled_Rover]

6 minutes ago, London blue said:

Can I ask what he has contributed this season?

Well he's not been allowed to play by the manager, so very little.

Very difficult to do anything with 5-10 minute cameos.

[HowzBRFC]

If you don't laugh you will cry. I'm sure lots of comments have been made about the subtitutions, it's nothing new it's been the same all year and years before. A competitive 11 but quality drops after that.

The most frustrating thing for me in that last few mins was Millers pointless chip down the line. When you're looking for some experience, game management he just gives the ball away, no one hardly near him, they get the ball and score. At least boot the ball into touch down field if he didn't want it. 

I know Val has been drilling in the positives to the team but 2 games running, it's hard to see their heads not going down. Interesting to see how long this same 11 can keep the energy up for. 3 huge games coming up with no Sonny or potentially Alebiosu.

Got a feeling this week could have been a bad omen for whats to come!

[Gamst]

19 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Poor decisions have happened at times i agree.

However, it's not the officials fault that we can't defend properly in injury time.

Also, the manager has cost us more points at Ewood this season than the officials.

It actually is partly the officials fault on this occasion as we should have had a corner which was tactically the right thing to do when preserving a lead and they guessed and gave a goal kick. It was so late on the corner would have probably been the last action of the game. 

[Exiled_Rover]

3 minutes ago, 47er said:

True. I suspect that Gaye would do very well in League 1 and attract offers from Championship clubs the season after.

That's if he doesn't go abroad of course.

He's a confidence player and he's also a chaos engine.

If you're going to play him he needs to start and you need to be during balls up to him / crossing balls into the box.

Asking him to come on for 10 mins to chase hurried clearances upfield and close down multiple CBs on his own is setting him up for failure.

He's 6'5" and strong as an ox. He's not a whippet like Ohashi - don't ask them to play the same way. It's not rocket science.

And for clarity - I think he's a 10 goal a season striker if you played to his strengths, but he'd have a load of assists (and just generally disrupt the defence and cause chances to break for others).

[StHelensRover]

11 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Gueye is the current scapegoat. He can't do anything right on this board.

There's no scapegoats, everything is ultimately the fault of our owners.

Gueye is a very poor footballer but we've had quite a specific concentration of those in the last 15 years as opposed to the previous 135 years. Danny Murphy, Myles Anderson and so on. I don't think many fans see Gueye as the main issue at the club, he's just a symptom of how we are run.

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58 minutes ago, Tom said:

I actually thought both Tavares and Baradji grew into the game last night, Tavares has to be more alert when tracking a man but got a few good interceptions in and did ok further up the pitch.

Gueye was odd he was at walking pace but I thought under instruction maybe to let them have it along their back line and not charge them down.

Did noticed he stepped off from running at them, no point forcing a play in dying minutes. Just felt he wasn't stepping up when he was meant to when their back line did have it toward the middle of the park. 

 

[Ghost7]

It felt a corrupt call from the referee (and his team) to not send off Ipswich's last man. It was a corner too, it looked a corner but the ref wanted to change the narrative of the game even after his inexcusable decision not to issue an obvious red.

That referee shouldn't be anywhere near our future fixtures. I'm not a fan of Ismael but shame on the EFL.

Last night was a step too far. The referee clearly favoured the boys who were in the Premier League last year all night, it was pathetic. We'd have been given a red without hesitation.

[steved]

I don't think De Neve or Gueye are good enough at the moment.  They aren't being given enough time on the pitch for them to have a hope of turning things around, and when they do come on it is all too often towards the very end of a tight match when the rest of the team are tiring and unable to cover for their mistakes.  Also Gueye is one of the laziest players we have had in a while.   We should loan them both out to Division 1 clubs for at least half a season so they can get some proper game time, and then reassess at the end of the loan period. 

Pleased to see Cantwell back last night, and we have some real quality in Gudjohnsen, Alebiosu, Tronstad, Morishita and Toth.  Ohashi works hard but lacks a decent finish, and I've yet to be impressed by Ribeiro and Tavares.  Defensively we're not terrible but, as others have pointed out, there are better options on the bench than De Neve when we need to swap out our left back.

As for Ismael, he's in a difficult position if his hands are tied with respect to which members of his squad he can and cannot field.  Ultimately, the solution to that lies with the club's management and ownership.  Both of whom, frankly, don't appear to give a crap.

Edited 49 minutes ago by steved
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[J*B]

1 minute ago, Exiled_Rover said:

He's a confidence player and he's also a chaos engine.

If you're going to play him he needs to start and you need to be during balls up to him / crossing balls into the box.

Asking him to come on for 10 mins to chase hurried clearances upfield and close down multiple CBs on his own is setting him up for failure.

He's 6'5" and strong as an ox. He's not a whippet like Ohashi - don't ask them to play the same way. It's not rocket science.

And for clarity - I think he's a 10 goal a season striker if you played to his strengths, but he'd have a load of assists (and just generally disrupt the defence and cause chances to break for others).

It’s nothing to do with any of this, imo. He’s simply not intelligent enough or committed enough to be a professional footballer at this level.

[jim mk2]

13 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

He's 6'5" and strong as an ox.

He's as weak as a kitten for a man of his stature. He gets outmuscled too easily and rarely wins headers even against defenders less tall than him. He's clumsy on the ball, lacks pace and cannot play with his back to goal. And on the rare occasions he gets sight of goal he usually scuffs it. Sell

[London blue]

20 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Asking him to come on for 10 mins to chase hurried clearances upfield and close down multiple CBs on his own is setting him up for failure.

I'm sorry but this is ridiculous to me.

He's a professional athlete. Asking him to harry defenders on the ball for 10 mins isn't asking anything of him that shouldn't be expected.

Setting him up for failure? Please.

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10 minutes ago, Ghost7 said:

It felt a corrupt call from the referee (and his team) to not send off Ipswich's last man. It was a corner too, it looked a corner but the ref wanted to change the narrative of the game even after his inexcusable decision not to issue an obvious red.

That referee shouldn't be anywhere near our future fixtures. I'm not a fan of Ismael but shame on the EFL.

Last night was a step too far. The referee clearly favoured the boys who were in the Premier League last year all night, it was pathetic. We'd have been given a red without hesitation.

What's the actual ruling on the last man, is it a trip is a trip ? Regardless of how it came about? Accidental or not?

[StHelensRover]

8 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

He's as weak as a kitten for a man of his stature. He gets outmuscled too easily and rarely wins headers even against defenders less tall than him. He's clumsy on the ball, lacks pace and cannot play with his back to goal. And on the rare occasions he gets sight of goal he usually scuffs it. Sell

You beat me to it, he has the nous, touch, turning circle and understanding of the offside rule, of an ox.

Edited 38 minutes ago by StHelensRover

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1 minute ago, London blue said:

I'm sorry but this is ridiculous to me.

He's a professional athlete. Asking him to harry defenders on the ball for 10 mins isn't asking anything of him that shouldn't be expected.

Setting him up for failure? Please.

Despite him being a professional athlete, I still see it as setting him up for failure but he simply can't perform that duty. He has no pace, runs like I do in my dreams running away from a monster 🤣

[Silas]

Looked up some stats for my own sanity, and our record on 90+ minute goals =

19/20-  1 goal

20/21-  0 goals

22/23 – 5 goals

23/24 – 4 goals

24/25 – 3 goals

25/26 -  6 goals (after 18 games)

So, we went from being the best in the league in those first 2 seasons, to being about average/mid-table in the next 3, to being by far the worst this season. (Next teams have 3 goals this year)

 

Some of the 90+ minute Top of the Pops over those years:

19/20- Sheff Wed       =  10 goals (not relegated)

19/20- Charlton          =  8 goals  (relegated)

21/22- Bristol City      =  9 goals  (not relegated)

21/22- Peterborough  = 8 goals  (relegated)

23/24- Huddersfield   = 10 goals (relegated)

24/25- Sheff Wed       = 7 goals (not relegated)

So my definitely not scientific conclusion is that if you end up top of that particular stat, there's a 50/50 chance that relegation is on the cards. 

[Bbrovers2288]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

well we have to disagree there cos Leif Davis isn't getting back for me and McKenna said post match he would have want a red if that his side decision

He also said Davies would have got back and it was at best a 50/50, but if it were his team of course he would be wanting the red. Nothing controversial and not saying it was a definite red