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Just now, Ricky said:

I hope he’s a player, I’ll be gutted if we’ve spent £7m on a plumber!

I miss Caddis too, mate.

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1 hour ago, darrenrover said:

Raya was a 'dolloper' too 2 years ago!

We know nowt in reality and despite all the platitudes and moans about 'the debt', in reality it's not our brass to really bother about either! 

£7 million or £7, so what? Brereton's clearly got potential and I'd rather we had him than not. He's 19 and all that goes with it: Get behind him and we may really have a star in the making but get on his back and who knows? Reading thoughts on here, many would prefer him to be a complete flop which I find disgraceful from supposed supporters of the club.

Nobody has been on his back so you have nothing to fear there. Nobody on here would prefer him to be a complete flop----fake news!

 

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9 hours ago, Mercer said:

Who says Marriott's wages were a problem?

He's 19 for goodness sake and joined in a £7m deal. 

Shudder to think what Mowbray would do with 'youngsters' like Mbappe, Alex-Arnold, Ampadu, Sessegnon !

Bottom line is if you are good enough then you are old enough and, IMV, Brereton isn't good enough and will be an expensive flop.

And if Mowbray was reliant on scouting reports from others and hadn't seen the player himself and committed the club to a huge deal then, IMV, he should be sacked.

Behave Merce! Clubs like Southampton do this all the time. Two years ago they could do no wrong. But regardless of this, it's clear it's not the case in this instance. Mowbray clearly fancies him. He has spoken in glowing terms a few times. 

 

He's not done it yet. May never do. But to question TMs job off the back of this signing is daft. We spent the same on Grabbi in a far different financial scene. Yes £7m is a whole lot of money in our current situation. But a good half a season and we'll be able to recoup our investment. He's just a boy FFS. The same age as Rankin-Costello. We afford him plenty of time to develop. Brereton might not deserve the same time because of his price tag. But there no doubt he's still got some learning left in him.

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5 hours ago, blueboy3333 said:

He definitely had an impact today. He's all arms and legs and must be a difficult player to play against when he's running at you. He's not especially quick but he showed decent movement on a few occasions today. He looked like he could be worth a potential £1m if he keeps improving 😉

He’s not quick, and could be worth 1 mil, all arms and legs, rubbish, it’s like you don’t want him to be a succes, because of the fee, you’re wrong, end of.

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2 hours ago, Mercer said:

So Brereton is the new Messi then based on some of the stuff on here!?

Philipl talks about Brereton being the best fit for our strategic needs at £7m!?

Wasn't at the match today as working but feels like a sense of perspective needed here.  Seen Brereton's run in the box for the penalty, and we were lucky to get it, and will see the same thing countless times tomorrow on the local pitches from young lads playing for fun and paid nowt!.  Read comments he looked 'bright' but it wouldn't have been difficult in what even Mowbray said was a 'horrible, ugly' game.

Hope I'm proved wrong but I don't think the lad is a £7million player and never will be.  Would have been worth a go on a 'free'. 

 

Nobody said he’s the new Messi, but he  will end up a decent forward, worth a go on a free, why do you come out with garbage like that, you say you hope you’re proved wrong, I really don’t think you mean that, think you hope he fails,you basically don’t know what you’re talking about, or you’re winding everybody up.

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35 minutes ago, 47er said:

Nobody has been on his back so you have nothing to fear there. Nobody on here would prefer him to be a complete flop----fake news!

 

Is that right, I know at least two on here who I think would like him to be a flop, not fake news.

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That hasn't answered anything at all it's what all players throw out as a standard line he's hardly going to say he angry is he, not that he is but i'd imagine he wants to keep himself involved.

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Like the way he seems to be in and amongst the banter. Always first to celebrate with a goalscorer etc. The “fee” (whatever it actually is) might be playing on our minds but doesn’t seem to effect him. Top attitude, top lad, fits in like a hand in glove and has great attributes.

AND I saw him give his all and be effective in a blue and white shirt today so...

He’s the best signing we’ve ever made, a bargain at twice the price and 100% an absolute Rovers legend.

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26 minutes ago, unsall said:

Is that right, I know at least two on here who I think would like him to be a flop, not fake news.

Names? Or more cryptic attempts at winding folk up?

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43 minutes ago, unsall said:

He’s not quick, and could be worth 1 mil, all arms and legs, rubbish, it’s like you don’t want him to be a succes, because of the fee, you’re wrong, end of.

Wrong about what, champ?

 

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1 hour ago, S8 & Blue said:

Like the way he seems to be in and amongst the banter. Always first to celebrate with a goalscorer etc. The “fee” (whatever it actually is) might be playing on our minds but doesn’t seem to effect him. Top attitude, top lad, fits in like a hand in glove and has great attributes.

AND I saw him give his all and be effective in a blue and white shirt today so...

He’s the best signing we’ve ever made, a bargain at twice the price and 100% an absolute Rovers legend.

Bookmark this comment.

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Now your playing silly buggers as well 😁

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49 minutes ago, DeeCee said:

Now your playing silly buggers as well 😁

I dunno if I am...

The sentiment I’m seeing is that he either has to return us miles more than 7m+, that he has to score a shit ton of goals NOW, change games and be fantastic or - he’s just going to be a bit of a flop. Because money. Because short term.

Or what’s even more ridiculous - some seem to be saying that he’s already shown flashes of being amazing in order to try to get behind him.

Lets be honest, we’ve seen square root of nowt.

The fact that he might be a humble yet outstanding professional for his age and a hard working lad that can be an effective cog in what Tony is trying to build seems to be lost because of the reported fee. 

He’s international class at 19 and he’s able to effect games as he did today.

He’s buying into our greatest strength - the team ethic. He’s learning what is needed, he’s doing what is asked of him and he’s waiting to earn his chance... he’s got the right attitude, with the right gaffer who won’t just leave him to sink or swim.

What makes us good isn’t being a team of superstars. And for us this lad looks an asset. It’s obvious to me, at least.

He’s 19. He’s been here two months. If he’d scored four goals in this time he’d be the messiah. But I REALLY do trust that Mowbray isn’t spunking money around willy nilly but GENUINELY trying to spend it on getting the best, most well rounded young professionals that we can afford to build our club.

I’d give him 12-18 months before even thinking about the fee. Ultimately, it’s about the management and coaching at his age. He’s in good hands

 

Ben Brereton is a Rovers Legend.

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1 hour ago, DeeCee said:

Now your playing silly buggers as well 😁

 

2 hours ago, S8 & Blue said:

Like the way he seems to be in and amongst the banter. Always first to celebrate with a goalscorer etc. The “fee” (whatever it actually is) might be playing on our minds but doesn’t seem to effect him. Top attitude, top lad, fits in like a hand in glove and has great attributes.

AND I saw him give his all and be effective in a blue and white shirt today so...

He’s the best signing we’ve ever made, a bargain at twice the price and 100% an absolute Rovers legend.

Bookmark this comment.

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The best signing we've ever made and cheap at twice the price comments I thought were tongue in cheek, (hence the 😁 in my post) he may well prove to be a Rovers legend but if you were serious about the first two points, well you must have a glass that's overflowing never mind half full.

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If it wasn’t already a done deal, nobody would be suggesting we go up to £7m to keep him here beyond January. Not on the strength of what we have seen so far.

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8 hours ago, patrickvalery said:

Yes £7m is a whole lot of money in our current situation.

I think that's the issue. We are massively in debt to Venky's so why are Venky's sanctioning a £7m deal for a kid who might not ever be better than Championship level? It's a tough one to figure out. Maybe this really is the start of a concerted effort by Venky's to 'invest' in players with the intention of selling them at a profit a year or two down the line. Maybe Waggott's and Mogga's remit when they went to India was 'here's £10m for transfers, turn it into £30m and/or get us promoted'. If this is now the transfer policy then it's a welcome change. Bowyer pursued a similar transfer policy and was very good at it , but they stupidly potted him.  

So far Mogga has bought a lot of young players so the transfer policy is obvious. Some work, some don't. It's just that it's gone from a freebies and a million here and there to £7m on a 19 year old. It all seems very Venky's. They'll probably give him nowt in January!

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17 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

I think that's the issue. We are massively in debt to Venky's so why are Venky's sanctioning a £7m deal for a kid who might not ever be better than Championship level? It's a tough one to figure out. Maybe this really is the start of a concerted effort by Venky's to 'invest' in players with the intention of selling them at a profit a year or two down the line. Maybe Waggott's and Mogga's remit when they went to India was 'here's £10m for transfers, turn it into £30m and/or get us promoted'. If this is now the transfer policy then it's a welcome change. Bowyer pursued a similar transfer policy and was very good at it , but they stupidly potted him.  

So far Mogga has bought a lot of young players so the transfer policy is obvious. Some work, some don't. It's just that it's gone from a freebies and a million here and there to £7m on a 19 year old. It all seems very Venky's. They'll probably give him nowt in January!

If that was the remit then we have definitely wasted 70% already. The only way the maths adds up is if we cash in on Dack.

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9 hours ago, unsall said:

Nobody said he’s the new Messi, but he  will end up a decent forward, worth a go on a free, why do you come out with garbage like that, you say you hope you’re proved wrong, I really don’t think you mean that, think you hope he fails,you basically don’t know what you’re talking about, or you’re winding everybody up.

You really do talk nonsense.

Supported Rovers for 55+ years home and away including Europe and in the process probably spent a fortune when factoring in family tickets etc.

Also. played at a decent level myself until I busted my knee (as opposed to those who have never kicked a ball in anger in their life).

So don't try and tell me I don't care about Rovers or I don't know what I am talking about.

I hope Brereton proves a roaring success. as I do with all Rovers' signings, however, based on what I've seen of the lad, I think we've signed a dud in a £7million deal - it's as simple as that.

 

 

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Just now, Stuart said:

If that was the remit then we have definitely wasted 70% already. The only way the maths adds up is if we cash in on Dack.

Not sure about that. BB will be paid for over the length of his contract so we might only have spent £3m so far (or will do in Jan) and then the rest will be over the next 3 years. As Mowbray said he expects him to be worth a lot more in the future. That seems to be the gamble. The only way I can see it working is if he does so well that a Prem team comes in for him (or we get to the Prem with him). For reference, Patrick Bamford has just gone to Leeds for £7m and I think he's a very good player at Championship level.  Gray went to Burnley for somewhere between £6m and £9m (depending on what you read)  in their last Championship season. Price inflation doesn't really happen to a great extent in the Championship unless the player is sold to a Prem club. 

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3 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

Not sure about that. BB will be paid for over the length of his contract so we might only have spent £3m so far (or will do in Jan) and then the rest will be over the next 3 years. As Mowbray said he expects him to be worth a lot more in the future. That seems to be the gamble. The only way I can see it working is if he does so well that a Prem team comes in for him (or we get to the Prem with him). For reference, Patrick Bamford has just gone to Leeds for £7m and I think he's a very good player at Championship level.  Gray went to Burnley for somewhere between £6m and £9m (depending on what you read)  in their last Championship season. Price inflation doesn't really happen to a great extent in the Championship unless the player is sold to a Prem club. 

Well that’s not quite the same as offering us £10m for promotion this season.

“Here’s £10m we’ll give you more in January and next Summer so no need to worry about committing all to deals.”?

Not sure how that works. If anything happened to Venkys finances and we couldn’t pay the rest of it because we didn’t put it aside.

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6 minutes ago, Mercer said:

You really do talk nonsense.

Supported Rovers for 55+ years home and away including Europe and in the process probably spent a fortune when factoring in family tickets etc.

Also. played at a decent level myself until I busted my knee (as opposed to those who have never kicked a ball in anger in their life).

So don't try and tell me I don't care about Rovers or I don't know what I am talking about.

I hope Brereton proves a roaring success. as I do with all Rovers' signings, however, based on what I've seen of the lad, I think we've signed a dud in a £7million deal - it's as simple as that.

 

 

Well if you’ve done all that, how can you make an assessment on Brereton you’ve hardly seen him play, how you can say he’s a dud already is really a silly statement, I don’t know yet if he’ll turn out  a good ‘un or not, too early, as I’ve said many times  I believe Mowbray on this issue before you, mind you he’s a football manager and you’re an accountant, big difference. 

So you might think I talk nonsense, but the comments you come out with, I think it’s you who talks the nonsense, I am surprised you’ve watched Rovers through thick and thin and still come out with the comments you do, anyway looks like we both talk nonsense with very different views.

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1 hour ago, unsall said:

Well if you’ve done all that, how can you make an assessment on Brereton you’ve hardly seen him play, how you can say he’s a dud already is really a silly statement, I don’t know yet if he’ll turn out  a good ‘un or not, too early, as I’ve said many times  I believe Mowbray on this issue before you, mind you he’s a football manager and you’re an accountant, big difference. 

So you might think I talk nonsense, but the comments you come out with, I think it’s you who talks the nonsense, I am surprised you’ve watched Rovers through thick and thin and still come out with the comments you do, anyway looks like we both talk nonsense with very different views.

A player can be having a poor game but over the course of a match, if there's anything about him, he will usually do something that makes you think 'this lad might have a bit of something'.

None of us have seen Brereton as often as we would like in a blue and white shirt given the £7million deal but when I have seen him, I've felt underwhelmed and sat there scratching my head as I've seen nothing that suggests to me that we might have a 'proper player' on our hands.

I contrast that with Damien Duff who I first saw as a 17 year old in Rovers' reserves - his first few touches got me thinking we just might have a real talent here. 

Duff debuted as an 18 year old in the Premier League and was man of the match - fans left the ground purring. 

This was 20+ years ago, maybe you weren't even around then,  but the point I'm trying to make is that if a lad has real talent it makes you sit up and take notice just as Duff did as a 17 year old in that reserve match.  Sadly, Brereton draws a blank with me.  

 

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