Hasta

I've not been paying much attention since March. Did we extend Tosin's loan until the end of the season?

At least if you are a family of 4 then you can watch the empty beach on 4 different devices.

Let the carnage commence......

They were asked to vote on either throwing money they don't have down a pit in order to finish the season, or to end it now. Its blindingly obvious what the majority would vote for. They were not asked to vote whether relegation or promotion was fair in this scenario (ending the season), which it isn't. The EFL took that decision out of their hands. Therefore Tranmere have been relegated unfairly by the EFL, not by a majority decision by the clubs.

That's the problem. The EFL have decided promotion and relegation should happen regardless. That should have been left to the clubs. The options to the clubs vote on should have been - Void the season with no promotion or relegation - Void the season and promote / relegate on a PPG basis. - Finish the season I imagine that would have been a better indicator of what the lower league clubs thought was fair, and wouldn't have been a landslide.

To be fair to Bowyer, the two interviews I read / heard he wasn't complaining about playing the season out. He just said it would make his job more difficult in this situation but he understands the players reasoning. Personally, I don't. I just wouldn't pay the players involved. And if any of them are hard faced enough to say its because they don't want to jeopardise their dream move, rather than for health and safety fears reading the virus, I'd fine them each week they don't play as well.

Do you really want it to spill onto this board now? ?

Tranmere have won their last 3 games, and are now only 3 points from safety with a game in hand. Nothing about them being relegated on a PPG basis would be fair, just because Accy Stanley and a lot of other clubs with nothing to play for want to save money. The should have asked the league one and league two clubs to vote on should the season continue, or should it end and be void now. Most clubs would have chosen to void, so that would also have been the majority of the clubs wishes. That would have allowed the clubs to save money and no-one would have been penalised. @roversfan99 is right that the only way you should have promotion and relegation is when the season is finished. Therefore if PL and Championship play it out then you can have promotion / relegation between those leagues, but no-one goes down from the Championship.

Correct. It is sending out the wrong message that a hairdresser or barber cannot open their shop to work and have apppintments with 1 person inside at once. And somehow 21 men can congregate and share a football pitch. Once we have some normality like sensible family gatherings and being able to socially distance in a barbers then football should initiate project restart. However, if the footballers are working then they can get tested. Testing people who work in a warehouse packing non-essential luxury items isnt a priority but it's being done.

I currently see stock as being ample enough that currently anyone that works in an office, warehouse or a factory can go and get tested. It was previously just NHS and care workers but this has now been expanded. You see stocks as still being in short supply for NHS and care workers. Now I may be wrong and it may be difficult to actually get tested if you just work in an office. But as I said previously, I now know people who have gone and got tested just for the sake of it.

Fulham may believe they have an outside chance of finishing top 2 so could vote against it but the rest of the top 6 would vote for. That's 5 votes. Positions 17 to 21 would avoid relegation so that's another 5 votes. You would therefore need 4 of the teams positioned between 7 to 16 to vote to end the season which is surely very likely. Grossly unfair scenario tbh to be relegating teams in the situation, especially Charlton who only sat in the bottom 3 for the first time all season after the last round of fixtures. I'd also argue it you can't play the rest of the competition, don't play the play offs and just let Fulham go up. But that might be a slightly anti-PNE !

I said that I (personally) have no interest in it returning in the immediate future as a non-spectactor sport. You may find that by August, once the picture for the country and the world is clearer, then my interest may return. That is completely separate as to whether they should return now, in August or in 2 years time, for which I can see both sides of the argument. I am morally uncomfortable with the fact I cannot see two family members in a local park, but 21 men can congregate in a penalty box grappling each other. Removing the financial issue, the common sense approach would be to bring football back when you can also have a proper kick around with your mates in a field. I'm not bothered whether this season finishes or not. The game itself is much bigger than the 2019/2020 Premier League season.

I don't quite understand what is basic maths about it based on the points I made, but we will leave it. We may disagree on whether Premier League testing takes stock that would otherwise be used from the NHS, but I'm not sure we are looking at the 'bigger picture' from opposite ends of the telescope. I think we both agree with Paul's excellent post above, and as I have said numerous time I have no interest in it returning as a non-spectator sport in the immediate future.

But anyone over 65, any key worker or anybody who is working but not from home and has symptoms has access to tests already. I know several people with no symptoms are taking this up and driving to Preston or Manchester to get tested just for the fun of it. The company providing the tests, the Pl and the government all insist it I sent not taking stock from the NHS and the general public are already wasting available tests out of curiosity. Of course we don't know the full story / picture, but to say NHS staff wait in line whilst stock of tests they need is used by footballers is highly debatable.

I'm not bothered regarding football coming back at the moment simply because with other changes in life at the moment it isn't a priority. I'd rather draw a line under it and restart behind closed doors further down the line. However on your 3 points above, the first one we are being told isn't the case. I suspect test will be available privately for anyone, including government, if they pay the fees. The second one, whether they restart in the Premier or not, is going to be a big issue. If you want hand downs from the top leagues to keep L1 and L2 clubs going then its more likely if the SKY / BT gravy train can keep on rolling. On the third one, if you are on £60k a year in this country and your employer cannot operate at the moment then your salary is practically halved. Those people do not have a choice about whether they can do anything or not to get their full salary. Therefore players should be able to not play, but their salary should take a huge it - like more than half. The same as most well paid folk who can't do their job have had to.

I'm not sure Matty. It may well be as you say, but many other activities will be limited as well. You may find the first game back after 12 months could be massively attended. Waggot will have it pencilled as a category A+ game just incase.

Sunderland fans views on Jon Mclaughlin. Generally regarded as decent for them, would be missed but replaceable. No-one seems to be suggesting he would be great in the Championship. https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/jon-mclaughlin.1516241/

Completely unrelated stat, but David Raya had made more career starts whilst he was still at Rovers than Brad had made in his entire career before moving to Ewood.

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No-one gets relegated from league 2 so less likely to have kick offs. Relegating clubs unexpectedly because they just dropped in the relegation zone on a random date inMarch would be unfair and unsporting. We don't know what would happen so it would be fairer to void. Surely?

Money, it's a gas Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash New car, caviar, four star daydream Think I'll buy me a football team Money, get back I'm all right Jack keep your hands off of my stack Money, it's a hit Don't give me that do goody good bullshit

Jack takes some blame for appointing Kidd. Like Hartford wasn't Daglish, Kidd was never going to be Fergie.

Not mentioned like Ossie and Archibald, but Stapleton was another high profile coup for the club at the end of the 80s. I recall being disappointed by him, and am surprised he made as many as 80 appearances, but as a kid I would have been too young to appreciate his all round game. I just wanted to see him hit the back of the net. What are other people's opinions on his Rovers spell?

If gossip was to be believed, we got relegated at home to Man United on a Wednesday night, Our record signing Kevin Davies was up Tokyo Joe's till late on the Monday night before.

Like Rochdale Blue says, not having Gallagher or Sutton for a lot of the season dwas critical. The replacements brought in for £9milliom (Ward and Blake) simply weren't good enough with no help from the manager. Jansen wasn't quite ready but interestingy he appeared to be have subbed in every game he started whilst Ashley Ward was left on the pitch. Flitcroft was also injured almost all season and only made 8 appearances. He wasn't replaced properly until we signed Carsley in desperation at the end of March. (who was a shadow of the player he became at Everton) Henchoz was being dragged down by having to play with either Peacock or Dailly. A decent manager with that squad and that budget in the second half of the season would have kept us up