You normally get a feeling when a manager is about to go. A feeling that the pressure has built, the dressing room doesn't believe and and there's is no way this manager is turning the situation around. I feel we are right at the start of that process and that, even if we go at relegation form over the upcoming months, it will be into the new year before I think they will consider a change. I think we will stagger at around a point a game from here on in and finish lower middle. What is disappointing is that the league looks fairly wide open. The glaring failure to recruit at the back, and to start the season with 3 of the back 4 who were members of a relegation squad 3 years ago, is now showing.

As I said above, we are coming on the back of two games without a win. We could have got Nyambe back in and put Bennet in midfield where he is better than Evans IMO. Downing would be unlucky but I believe Holtby is simply a better player. Armstrong has scored two goals recently but has generally been poor (no I didn't see Tuesday). Dack up front has always been a disaster (see Preston away). If you bring in a player as good as Holtby is supposed to be, and you are on a run without a win, then you need to find a way to get him in the side.

Armstrong, Downing, Evans or Dack Not that I particularly dislike today's line up. I just feel I feel you have a player who is a level above the others, you need to make sure that player starts. As we are coming off 2 games without a win, I'm sure we could have justified mixing it up to get Holtby in.

Don't understand how Holtby can look the best player on the pitch in 3 cameo appearances, and yet can't get a game when Johnson and Trav are out.

I heard Chapman has started wearing ripped jeams.

Yep, but the Luton crossing, cross accuracy, shots on target and goal stats are quite interesting.

Lenihan and Williams have had a good run but that Aerial weakness costs us so many points. That's twp defeats at home already due to Lenihan not getting his head on a cross he should be doing. "Defenders are coming" and we ended up with Tosin. Mowbray must have believed he was better than what we had so let's see. I just had a nosey on a Forest forum about Tuesdays game. One poster, after watching the Luton highlights, seems to think we are susceptible to crosses and headers and says that's a plus point of their game. Well if he has spotted that, I'm fairly sure the forest coaching staff have too. I would go Williams / Tosin. I am worried that Lenihan will have to start as he has 'resale value'.

From the weekend I would replace one of the centre halves with Tosin. That is nailed on, othwise expect to concede the same goals again and again. Then I would swap Johnson for Holtby, Armstrong for Rothwell and Gallagher for Graham. Although I wouldn't be disappointed if we started 3 at the back as per @Fraserkirky team above.

I need which case I stand corrected. I think the fact the ref made his way back to the centre circle, and didn't go across until the Luton players went across, made it look worse from the BBE. What did cause confusion around me was the drop ball given when the the ball hit the ref in the first half. Not many people seemed aware of the new rule. Has the rule been brought in now that the are no rebounds on penalties or did I just see that as a proposal?

Had the Luton players not charged over and confronted the linesman yesterday the goal would have been given. Whilst ultimately the correct decision was arrived at, what we learnt from that incident was if you think the decision is wrong then charge across, get in his face and have a go at the official. It may prompt them to discuss it and reconsider. Had Luton just 'accepted' the officials decision it was 2-2

Chapman is a funny one. I don't see the under 23s. He has scored and been involved in goals, and up for player of the month, but some people say his attitude looks wrong and he is underperforming. I can only go off what we saw of him in that league one season. However one thing I saw was that when he gets into dangerous positions he seemed to have some end product. So many times yesterday Armstrong, Bennett and Downing got into lots of space wide but couldn't do anything with it. Chapman would have been driving into the box trying to commit the defender. Playing him may weaken the team dynamic in other areas, but at the minute we look like a team who are solid in midfield, but whose midfielders have no ideas how to break a team down other than simply trying to pass it around and hope space opens. Same applies to Rothwell and his ability to create. One of those two should replace Arma. Holtby could prove to be an alternative solution. A few things didn't come off for him yesterday, but he looked like he could do something that little bit different to create. Im not even going to bother mentioning then defence and the goals conceded. 6 transfer windows, same defensive spine.

Not sure about that. Within minutes of coming on he had knocked a couple of balls down into Dacks path. As much as Mowbray may want to move away from that particular combo, it is the most effective play we have if Graham is allowed to use his body against the defender. Gallagher may well be better in the air, but he really does need to learn how to play that role and bring others into the game.

I'd love BB to prove us doubters wrong, but I do not see how he would even get on the bench when he is fit. We've already got Graham, Gally and Armstrong rotating regularly with Samuel and Chapman showing form in the under 23s. Hes going to have to show some serious form for the under 23s when he comes back otherwise he is waiting for cup games to get a sniff.

I still look at Josh King and remember we played him once every three games as a winger. Wonder how much he would move for now?

I'm not sure if Samuel is good enough at this level, but to be honest with his form it's another reason why BB is going further down the pecking order. When Brereton is back, he needs to get a run in the under 23s and be finding this kind of form.

Only listened on the radio today, but it did sound like we were under the cosh and the introduction of the three experienced heads for us took the sting out of this game, and that we say the last few minutes through pretty comfortably. That's got to be a good sign going forward as last year I'd have been sure we would have thrown that away. Two big home games coming up.

Armstrong. Dogshit that lad.

Somewhere on a Reading forum, member MercerRoyal is saying:- "You'd think we were playing the Northern Real Madrid listening to you lot. We are playing a team who are only 3 points for in front of us because they beat a piss poor Millwall side at home They only drew with Cardiff, who we played off the pitch, and have had a shocking away record every season they've been in this league recently. If we can't beat this team, managed by a football dinosaur, then it's time to knock the Madjeski down and build a skate park on it. I'm going for a 3-0 win and will be toasting my winnings with a nice bottle of red come Saturday evening."

I've said this before but for every consecutive year you have had a season ticket you should get 5% off the renewal price, up to a maximum of 30% People would build up their discount, and if we had a bad or boring season, they would be less likely to not renew as they would 'lose' the loyalty discount. Also encourages season tickets as it shows loyalty is rewarded. For non season ticket holders, for every 5 games you attend you get 1 free. Some people who have attended, for example, 3 or 4 games during a season would probably attend 1 or 2 more to unlock the free game. (I've not run the number on these ideas so it may be it caps at 20%, or 6 games to get 1 free, but you get the idea.)

Yep. Did any pleyer not receive support at the ground yesterday? Of course they did. What people mean when they say you should 'support' a player is that if you have a negative view on that player you either need to keep quiet or lie whilst on a messageboard. That's what they class as 'support'.

I love watching it from the knockout stages on. I suppose the group stages are like the Euro qualifiers for England tonight. I'll watch it if I have absolutely nothing else to do, but I'll not go out of my way to watch it. If we had to win the last game to qualify I'd certainly be watching it. And I'll watch every game in a knockout tournament. I think the angst against the CL is that it doesn't really start as a competition until February. The first half of the season seems just like money making exhibitions.

Like other people have said, once we hit the knockout stages it's exciting, especially last year with a number of English sides still in. The problem is the group stages are a hard watch. Unlike in the World Cup, where losing 1 match puts you in peril, generally you can lose a couple and still get through. Obviously game 6 in the group stages can be dramatic when it is do or die, but on other group game nights I have no interest in tuning in.

There will be a minimum of 4 minutes added time. Ref blows on 3:45 because the ball is in a 'neutral' location on the pitch. Happens all the time, most recently Georgia V Denmark this afternoon. How hard can it be to either say a minimum of 3 minutes, or actually add 4 minutes on.

At the moment a Keeper, Centre Half, Right Back, Centre Forward. Jury is still out on Cunningham but he's not our player anyway.

I can be bothered picking through and quoting things, but if you are a Bolton fan 15 points from safety I imagine you accept you are down. To 'hope and strive' to stop up from this situation is unrealistic. You say the people they have signed will not keep the up, when it was impossible that they could sign anyone that would keep them up.