I can be bothered picking through and quoting things, but if you are a Bolton fan 15 points from safety I imagine you accept you are down. To 'hope and strive' to stop up from this situation is unrealistic. You say the people they have signed will not keep the up, when it was impossible that they could sign anyone that would keep them up.

I'm with Chaddy on this one. They are 15 points from safety and only had two professional players last week. Surely this week was about getting in some senior players in order to be able to complete the season. If it was us who had come through that situation, would you be striving and hoping to survive in league one? Would you be sat here saying the players we had signed were rubbish, and that we should have been more ambitious?

As much as I want to agree with you, when I saw it, it does look a foul. If the Rovers player (Lenihan?) had jumped into a centre half who was going up to head the ball like that it would have been a free kick.

I know. I started doing a match up and then realised I was wrong so edited my post but you obviously already had already quoted me. ? I do think we should be looking for 10+ points from the next 6 though.

Disagree Stuart. Hull have been poor for a while and I think Boro are going to be nowhere near top 6 this year. Cardiff I thought would do well but they haven't started particularly well at all. It's not easy but it's not tough.

It wasn't. It's an average block of Championship games. Fulham admittedly will be up there but West Brom fans think they are weaker than last year and they couldnt beat Millwall or Reading at home so far this season.

Watch Armstrong for the second goal. Gets skinned easily on the touchline and then starts trotting back towards goal. At the last minute he sees the danger right infront of him and bursts into a sprint to close the man down but it's too late. Just lazy. Having been done so easily he should be busting a gut to get back after the guy.

There's too many people here who's views are extremely one side or the other. No middle ground. You presume I dislike Mowbray because I dont feel we have developed our young players, but I have not once called for him to leave over the last 18 months. Like in all pub discussions, I'll pick up on viewpoints I don't agree with and give my opinion. I actually like the guy. For example, I don't think it was a 'gimme' that we should have got out of league one, and ultimately a mid-table finish was a decent return last season. What was frustrating last season is that we threw points away which we shouldn't have done (Leeds etc..). This season I expected up to kick on for the top 6 but have been disappointed we haven't addressed the the centre half problem, nor have we seemingly increased our firepower going forward. That's my opinion, but I can criticise the manager without wanting him hung ,drawn and quartered. To shove me in the 'disliking Mowbray' bracket is ridiculous. However I feel he has given too many chances to the league one team and has not given certain players the opportunities they need to prove themselves (see Rothwell, Chapman), whilst others have been given more chances despite not looking up to it to justify their arrival (see Brereton, Gally may fall in this category if he persists out wide whilst we create little). Dack was massively influencial in league one but, as I said after the Oldham game, with regards to controlling games he's looking a bit of a flat track bully. When we play inferior teams he dominates but when teams are on his 'level'. he can go missing for long spells. Fortunately he's got a goal poachers instinct so, like yesterday, he gets in the right positions and will score goals. I'd have him in my starting XI every week but, as I said, some people are saying he should have been cashed in on. Most people think he doesnt look as good as he did 12 months ago when making his Championhsip debut. For me to say regressing might have been harsh but for you to say he has come on 'leaps and bounds' under Mowbray is simply not true. As for Lenihan, he's the same player who got us relegated. Good lad, tries hard, championship defender, not great in the air. A lot of those goals we conceded in the air last year, which Mulgrew has taken the can for, where also down to Lenihan as well (see 2 goals conceded V Charlton on the opening day. He's certainly not been immense for us. Our defensive record last year tells you this.

They should cash in on J-Lo now and give him his premier league move. After all, every manager he has ever played for including England youth managers have picked him don't forget.

I know a big Baggies fan through work. They've lost two 20+ goal strikers and Craig Dawson since last season as well as another defende (can't remember who he said but it may have been our own Tosin). His view is they gave it their best shot last year and this year will be a bit of a rebuild. I don't think August has been the 'month of death' it's been made out to be. That said, Its not been a disaster of a start but we do need to move up a gear. For all the points we have picked up, we haven't looked like creating much and our porous defence has reared its head a couple of times. I feel we have a formation and team selection within us which can worry lots of teams in this league but we just haven't found it yet. I do feel, despite the summer additions, we still lack a striker and centre half to be truly in with any chance of top 6.

Dack was already League One player of the year. He took his chance with a better side when he came here, but most people are saying he's regressing, not coming on leaps and bounds. Nyambe can't get in the side over a struggling midfielder and 3 weeks ago we were hoping for an upgrade over any of the centre halves including Lenehan. 24 year old Rothwell isn't getting game time and Chapman hasn't been sighted since he returned. The only one on your list I'd say has come on over the last 18 months is Travis who has proved to be a gem, which people who watched the Under 23's had been telling us for a while but we persisted with Evans and Smallwood for far to long before we gave the lad a chance.

Can we get DG on and get that long diagonal ball going please!

Chapman is a game-changer who played well when coming on against Oldham. I was dissapointed to see he didn't make the bench after that impressive cameo, He's surely got to be an option to sit on the bench as a wild card to throw on in the last 15 minutes of games if we need a goal. I can't believe, with the amount of subs allowed to be chosen from nowadays, he's being left out because we need the players on there to cover all options off the bench.

Once again I thought everyone did well without creating much. To be fair, I thought midfielder Elliott Bennett did well once he was pushed into midfield.

As an impact substitutiom, do you think he played well and contributed to changing the direction of the game?

Did you attend the Oldham game where he played against senior, professional players?

Prem clubs get the majority of their money through TV rights. You could therefore argue Sky, who show EFL games, should bail them out. Ultimately its not the responsibility of Sky or the other clubs, but with the eye watering amount of money in modern football, £2mill is a small amount for a league one club to fold over.

People said during last season that this would be Breretons breakthrough season. The problem always was if we got another striker, which we needed, i struggle to see how Brereton would get much game time. He is 4th choice up front and well down on choices for a wide position. He certainly didn't take his chance against Oldham and I'm struggling to find a place on the bench for him when everyone is fit. It's a big outlay for someone who now doesn't really justify getting on the pitch.

Do you think that if someone decides at half time at a football match they want a pie and a pint they should have to miss over 20 minutes of the game Phillip ?

Bury at home?

Err. Ok thanks. Not much help at 3.45 on a match day ?

Before kick off it's fine. You can just walk straight up more often than not. But at half time there is a huge demand. At half time, when the majority of the orders are for one of 3 items, they should just be pouring pints and leaving them to stand at the back. You give your order, they turn around and grab what is there, you pay and away you go. It would be so much quicker. They have the machine which pours multiple pints at one time, but nearly every time I've tried pints from it, it is so off it tastes of vinegar. They have the technology but they obviously can't look after it well enough to use it. Against Charlton, half of the problem was because people were going up and ordering 2 pint jugs only to be told they have run out of 2 pint jugs. The debate then ensues as to why they aren't allowed to have, in those circumstances, 2 pints for the same price as a 2 pint jug. People naturally think that's crazy and argue the toss. This delays things by a good minute. Then the next person comes to the front and says "I'll have a 2 pint jug please..." and on it goes. I accept that in a venue like that you are going to be paying over £4, and generally it's for something that is not the best. But at least make it so that you can actually get your hands on one without having to miss almost a quarter of the match ! I do struggle to accept how they can put the price of a pie up by 20% in the space of 10 weeks !! The only thing I have seen recently to acknowledge the problem is the introduction of the bottle bar. Yes it's extortionate but at least you can get one in a reasonably speedy time.

Does Fosters cost £4.50 just 15 metres away in Blues?

When in the first half they are breaking forward and twice overhit a simple ball under no pressure which may have put them clean through , or try and switch play and knock it 5 yards behind the man running onto it, that's just poor. If anyone is missing a good post-match meltdown head over to the OneBoro forum and read their match day thread. General concensus on there is buy league one players, get league one team. Thats not taking away from the fact we still played well, and didn't allow them much time or keep giving the ball to them.

Firstly Boro were shocking. In the first half they'd get into a good position and just play the most ridiculous overhit through ball, or run into trouble. They are in for a long season. From Rovers perspective, I thought everyone who started did reasonably well. Walton was suspect when they hit the post but then did claim a high ball under a lot of pressure latter on. The much maligned defence was very good. Even Bennett looked good at RB apart from giving the ball away too easy early on. Downing again looked a very good footballer. He's certainly an upgrade on Conway. It's just a shame that, as comfortably as we looked for the first hour, we didn't really create much and it took a bit of stuipidity from a defender to get us the penalty. I think the problem with our lack of goal threat is that, with that starting XI, there is only Dack who you expect to create. You can say Travis, Downing, Johnson etc.. played well and had a solid game without expecting them to have created anything. Gallagher was very good, without ever doing anything that was likely to create. Had Armstrong, Rothwell or Chapman been in the side, for them to play well normally means they've been good purely as an offensive threat. I don't know if selecting a solid team, rather than a quicker more mobile team was a ploy to combat a Boro side who I still regard as a physical imposing team from the Pullis era. If that was the plan then fair play, it worked. However I feel we still need to get pace in there somehow, and also encourage one of Johnson or Travis to actually get up and support the attack.