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Nearly 3 goals conceded a game, over 3 seasons, and with more than 3 goals a game conceded last season, is shocking. Pakistan must be terrible to cap him. The only reason I can think for why we have kept him on (aside from our absolute love of hoarding youth keepers) is that if he did come good, it could help tap into more locals for our fanbase. But he quite clearly isn't going to come good.

I agree on Ismael. Saying that Ismael needs to go is a current problem at least though, rather than fixating on staff members that have been and gone and are not current issues. You also arent suggesting that any ambition went with Ismael. There has been no ambition across the last 15 years, consistently. It cant just be pinned on a former manager. Nor are you saying that Ismael has lowered the standards that the current board are just continuing with. By making these sorts of comments, you are pinning the root cause down to individuals rather than Venkys so it is deflecting blame. Saying that their name is over the door sort of does put it back on them but only artificially. Venkys (Suhail is an anomaly here is he is essentially an extension of them, but even then, even he isnt the direct cause) are the problem and always have been, beyond merely just being a name over the door. If you pinpoint what you perceive to be the trigger standard lowering or downgrading of the club down to any individual, whether it be Mowbray, Waggott, Broughton, Ismael, Kean, whoever. Just look before and after their employment. Standards were no higher, its been consistently like this since Venkys came in. We need to focus on them. If people have lost interest/are boycotting for any reason other than the owners then not enough attention has been paid.

But there should be the pride, of playing the game they love, if not to wear the shirt. If guys want to further their careers, they should always play hard.

It’s not particularly where Rovers currently are in the pyramid that gets me..it’s the soulless running of affairs, it’s the morgue of a ground, it’s that lack of respect afforded to staff, some decent players and managers and fans. It’s the managed decline of everything that Rovers stood for in the football world and in the town . It’s the empty shell that is left. I would support in the lowest part of the pyramid if we were to be rid of “ them “ .

At the moment we haven't got a decent team.

I have around 6 shirts that are all of infinitely better quality than anything I have bought from the club (and all cheaper): One is a classicfootballshirts type, two are from FootballTown and three (maybe four?) are from this very site. I will never step foot on Ewood again in a current club replica shirt because they are simply not worth it.

Exactly this. I WANT us to be winning the Champions League, the Premier League, the FA Cup and the League Cup every season. I know it's not going to happen ** but there's no point in being happy with just surviving, it's meant to be entertainment and a release from the often humdrum nature of everyday life. ** Then again back in the 70's and 80's I never in a million years expected to see us lift the League Title either!

If ismael played me, in front of 20,000 Rovers supporters, Rovers would be 3-0 up in the first half hour.

I don't mean to offended anybody, just depressed at the state our Club is in at the moment.

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Sorry I'm just pissed off whats happening to Blackburn Rovers at the moment.

We should always strive to be the best. Where would you get in life if you just plodded. I want Blackburn Rovers to be the best club to ever exist, those that are happy with us middling around in the championship because 'when i wer a lad you'd be lucky to get 3,000 on' or 'you've got it lucky in the 70s we lost every week!' that was over 50 years ago. A good business builds year on year.

I agree with your comments, but a 20,000 crowd would motivate a decent team.

Soon to be seven, I fear. Lord knows what this lot will do to us in January.

We have only ever been out of the top two Divisions for just six Seasons in our entire History.

Im not down a rabbit hole at all. You have this idea firmly planted in your head that you can't shake off that Im trying to deflect blame off the owners which simply isnt the case. It's their name over the door therefore everything ultimately tracks back to them. It really is as simple as that. However others shouldn't be completely blameless as you seem to think. Now for example we have imo one of our worst ever managers in Ismael. He needs to go whether the owners sell up tomorrow or not. But, you would no doubt try and twist that view round as me trying to deflect blame off the owners yet again.

Where were Blackburn Rovers in the football pyramid , when the Venkys arrived ? Where are they now ? I rest my case !! Venkys Out !

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Some of this, I think, comes back to the strange obsession some people have with the period of say 1975-1989. A 15 -20 year block of our history (similar to the Venky era) yet for some reason, perhaps because it immediately preceded the Walker revolution, some people fixate on this spell as being representative of what Blackburn Rovers is and can expect to be as a club. You rarely, if ever, get people referring back to what the club was in the 40s,50s, 60s and often these people are keen to remind us that it isn't the 90s or 00s anymore, that we've no right to rely on that 20 year block as a benchmark or standard as it isn't 'normal'. But why is 1975-1989 'normal' but the 50s, 60s, 90s, 00s not normal? A lot of it of course is because people can clearly remember the 70s and 80s and consider what is happening now to be simply a return to that. But by the same token I could refer them to the decades before then. Sadly I think a few are still in this 'I was there before it was good' mentality - that because they followed Rovers before the Walker glory days that this gives them more perspective, knowledge, understanding of what BRFC really is than those who decided to or were of an age to start supporting the club when the times were good in the 90s and 00s. Well the same people ought to know that taking our history as a whole it is certainly more than being a struggling second division club with 4-figure crowds. Because aside from the Venky created sham we have now and a period when English football was on its knees in terms of crowds and stadia that just isn't accurate as a reflection. But with the willingness to accept it and convince themselves it is the best we can expect it is little wonder the club drifted in the wilderness for the best part of 30 years rarely getting anywhere. Whatever the truth of it nothing and nobody will tell me that I should accept something that clearly isn't good enough. The disgrace of a regime and ownership that occupies the club today certainly isn't good enough and need to be reminded of that on a regular basis.

Youve gone down rabbit holes you cant now climb out of. If you genuinely think that Mowbray was the protagonist to our lack of ambition, based on an out of context, petulant throw away comment under pressure. Or any individual who has been and gone during the last 15 years. Then you havent been paying attention. Before Mowbray we didnt have ambition. After him, no ambition. Also, Waggott never invested into the company. Not his job. Venkys barely have invested, theyve covered standard losses, huge difference. We havent had any ambition across the last 15 years.

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There's no denying the owners overall record is atrocious, there's no getting round that. However for me any ambition to succeed within the Club seemed to perish once Mowbray got us back into the Championship and that sense came mainly from the manager himself. Wasn't it he who coined the infamous phrase, "It's not 1995 anymore". After that things looked briefly promising under JDT but then the Court case gave the owners and Waggott a convenient sounding excuse not to invest, same again under Eustace but they drove him away by refusing to support him. Now the situation seems completely hopeless, not only do they not try to pretend there's any ambition they're completely brazen and boast about the lack of it. "Play offs weren't the priority/the days of big money signings are over" ( Gestede) "Spending money doesn't guarantee success" (Pasha) Against this sort of backdrop I've said for a couple of seasons at least that we're only one bad manager away from oblivion. Well, now we've got him.

Sorry. I was being lazy and took that as a presumption off one post I’d just read.

14 years ago this rhetoric was used when Kean was in charge to "back the boys" during the 2011 Christmas period. The crowd did their part. The team lost every match. Crowd size won't make a difference when we have a shit manager and average players (being kind). The owners showing actual ambition in their running of the club is how things turn around. We'll never see that though, so we're going nowhere whether 300 or 30,000 are at the ground.

Luckily for the Sheffield Wednesday fans their journey has been wretched but thankfully, very short in duration. Contrast that with the much more painful and enduring death by a thousand cuts that Blackburn Rovers fans have had to experience. There is no comparison, save that one club will soon be bouncing back and the other continues on the path to oblivion !