[Archived] Transfers Part 2

[gazsimm]

13 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Bury bigger than us? Haha

Vaughan is a good player..

6 good players? Dawson very decent. Beckford? Could be good or could be poor. 

Who else have they signed? 

Chaddy don't laugh would you have thought Rovers would be in league 1 5 years ago? Blackburn Rovers club are sadly only going in one direction unless the Venkys sell up. 

Blackburn Rovers at the moment are a bigger club then Bury with the facilities we have got, but if we continue the way we are going (Venkys selling everything) the likes of Bury will be overtaking Rovers!!

By the way Chaddy who have Rovers Signed? Yes Tony is on holiday but other clubs are signing players. It will be cheap freebies and desperate loans again!!

 

 

[EgyptianPete]

Just now, gazsimm said:

Bury have signed some very good players who will do very well in league 1, like Beckford & Dawson. Blackburn Rovers should be a bigger club then Bury with the facilities we have got, but with our clueless owners even Bury might take over us!!

Really,  Really bury bigger than BLACKBURN ROVERS, no doubt you think Diane Abbott will be an awesome home secretary. 

[Mattyblue]

Being a bigger club means nothing when you are run like we are.

We had some of the best facilties in the Championship, paid more than competitive wages... yet relegation (finishing lower than Burton Albion in the process).

[blueboy3333]

http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/salfordcityfc/news/ammies-add-askew-to-squad-1822782.html

One of our released lads has gone to Salford City. Grooby* could learn a lot from their Conference North website

*No idea who he is only that he went from here to the club, in a similar vein to Mo Johnstone's trip across Glasgow.

[JHRover]

17 hours ago, gazsimm said:

Vaughan is a good player but even Bury are bigger then us now. They have signed 6 very good players already for the start of next season unlike Rovers. Mowbray will be off come August when Venkys go back on there word. They won't spend a penny on a player.

Don't mix up size with structure. Bury are not bigger than us and never will be and if people start believing that we might as well erase Jack Walker from the history of this club.

But I accept they are more professional than us and probably more ambitious than us at this moment in time.

Burton Albion and Barnsley have left us behind in recent seasons but they'll never be 'bigger' than us. Just like Burnley will never be bigger than Leeds/Sheffield Wednesday despite currently occupying a higher league position.

[gazsimm]

49 minutes ago, EgyptianPete said:

Really,  Really bury bigger than BLACKBURN ROVERS, no doubt you think Diane Abbott will be an awesome home secretary. 

Really, Really Blackburn Rovers league 1 club would you have said that 5 years ago?. Rovers should not be in the same league as Bury with the facilities it has got compared to Bury but they are and the way Rovers are heading with our clueless owners yes Bury will overtake Rovers soon. Some of our fans still think we are an elite club in the Premier league we are not we are in league 1 and I can only see us falling further down the leagues unless the Venkys fook off!!

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, K-Hod said:

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/15324199.Blackburn_Rovers_boss_Tony_Mowbray_looking_to_make_permanent_signings_this_summer/

Still talk of  using loans, but there is hope of permanent signings! It's impossible to plan long term when overly reliant on loanees, but as ever with Venky's, actions speak louder than words.

We need more permanent signings than loan signings. we need 10 new players and 7 of them should be permanent and 3 loan signings should be way forward. all signings must add quality to the squad and be ready for the league 1 physical and mental

1 hour ago, gazsimm said:

Bury have signed some very good players who will do very well in league 1, like Beckford & Dawson. Blackburn Rovers should be a bigger club then Bury with the facilities we have got, but with our clueless owners even Bury might take over us!!

here are Bury signings so far

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/bury-fc/transfers/verein/2413/plus/0?saison_id=2017&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=

Dawson signing was a shock but he will probably be their Captain. Beckford could be good signing but a lazy player when off form. Don't know much about the rest

1 hour ago, gazsimm said:

Chaddy don't laugh would you have thought Rovers would be in league 1 5 years ago? Blackburn Rovers club are sadly only going in one direction unless the Venkys sell up. 

Blackburn Rovers at the moment are a bigger club then Bury with the facilities we have got, but if we continue the way we are going (Venkys selling everything) the likes of Bury will be overtaking Rovers!!

By the way Chaddy who have Rovers Signed? Yes Tony is on holiday but other clubs are signing players. It will be cheap freebies and desperate loans again!!

 

 

The transfer window closes in 3 months time. Mowbray is back from Holiday next week so hopefully we will see some transfer in movement within a few days/ couple of weeks

[tomphil]

Such is the lunacy and dodgy nature of Rovers under Venkys we could well end up offering potential new players less than the likes of Bury yet still having the wage bill of a midtable Championship club.

[gazsimm]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

We need more permanent signings than loan signings. we need 10 new players and 7 of them should be permanent and 3 loan signings should be way forward. all signings must add quality to the squad and be ready for the league 1 physical and mental

here are Bury signings so far

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/bury-fc/transfers/verein/2413/plus/0?saison_id=2017&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=

Dawson signing was a shock but he will probably be their Captain. Beckford could be good signing but a lazy player when off form. Don't know much about the rest

The transfer window closes in 3 months time. Mowbray is back from Holiday next week so hopefully we will see some transfer in movement within a few days/ couple of weeks

lets see if the Venkys stick to their words which I doubt they will. it will be desperate loans again I reckon and Tony will be off before the start of the season!!

[Stuart]

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

Being a bigger club means nothing when you are run like we are.

We had some of the best facilties in the Championship, paid more than competitive wages... yet relegation (finishing lower than Burton Albion in the process).

Take away the wages and the facilities (which the Raos have, and probably will, respectively) and all you have is history. Granted some quite recent history (purely due to the very few teams that have won the PL) but even Portsmouth have won the league title twice since the war and won the FA Cup during the last (turbulent) 10 years - and were champions of their division this season. Are we bigger or smaller than Portsmouth? Even Blackpool's hugely disliked owners have got them promoted twice in their tenure - and they have a post war FA Cup too.

If all we have left is our history then we are really clinging on for dear life, and even then we have plenty of peers. If a club is driven to success by it's fanbase (as FFP and then EPPP will drive non-PL clubs - and keep them as canon fodder so that the more marketable city clubs will prosper) then our future is certainly not as a'big club'. Worst of all, if they liquidate us then they will even take our history from us, unless we have some very clever NewCo owners.

Barstewards.

 

[Stuart]

Just now, gazsimm said:

lets see if the Venkys stick to their words which I doubt they will. it will be desperate loans again I reckon and Tony will be off before the start of the season!!

Right now this makes you 'negative'. When you are proven correct you'll be told that it's 'the power of hindsight'.

Yet, recent history has shown this to be very likely. Especially since Mowbray has been here before.

[JHRover]

Just now, Stuart said:

Take away the wages and the facilities (which the Raos have, and probably will, respectively) and all you have is history. Granted some quite recent history (purely due to the very few teams that have won the PL) but even Portsmouth have won the league title twice since the war and won the FA Cup during the last (turbulent) 10 years - and were champions of their division this season. Are we bigger or smaller than Portsmouth? Even Blackpool's hugely disliked owners have got them promoted twice in their tenure - and they have a post war FA Cup too.

If all we have left is our history then we are really clinging on for dear life, and even then we have plenty of peers. If a club is driven to success by it's fanbase (as FFP and then EPPP will drive non-PL clubs - and keep them as canon fodder so that the more marketable city clubs will prosper) then our future is certainly not as a'big club'. Worst of all, if they liquidate us then they will even take our history from us, unless we have some very clever NewCo owners.

Barstewards.

 

From a historical perspective and an infrastructure perspective we are bigger than Portsmouth. Won more, more years at the top, more achievements, vastly superior stadium, training ground etc. They arguably have more potential than us owing to their catchment area and will have bigger crowds than us because they are on their road to recovery and are fan owned. If they were being stripped bare by Indians they wouldn't be getting 15,000 a week. Lets remember they used to have average crowds of 8,000 not so long since whilst we were winning the Premier League so its all about context and circumstances.

[JAL]

16 minutes ago, JHRover said:

From a historical perspective and an infrastructure perspective we are bigger than Portsmouth. Won more, more years at the top, more achievements, vastly superior stadium, training ground etc. They arguably have more potential than us owing to their catchment area and will have bigger crowds than us because they are on their road to recovery and are fan owned. If they were being stripped bare by Indians they wouldn't be getting 15,000 a week. Lets remember they used to have average crowds of 8,000 not so long since whilst we were winning the Premier League so its all about context and circumstances.

One big problem pompey have is that they have no room to develop their ground to in crease capacity. Portsmouth is the most densely populated land in England so some brave soul is going to have to take their club out of the city if it's to grow. The catchment area is there but will they show if it's moved out of the city.

The other bad piece of news from pompey is the supporters trust are selling out to a foreigner after saving their club they are now going to put it back into danger.

Looks like us Brits can't afford top table football.

[JHRover]

Just now, JAL said:

One big problem pompey have is that they have no room to develop their ground to in crease capacity. Portsmouth is the most densely populated land in England so some brave soul is going to have to take their club out of the city if it's to grow. The catchment area is there but will they show if it's moved out of the city.

The other bad piece of news from pompey is the supporters trust are selling out to a foreigner after saving their club they are now going to put it back into danger.

Looks like us Brits can't afford top table football.

Unfortunately for them the club used to own large swathes of land around Fratton Park. Once upon a time there was plenty of derelict land owned by the club next to the ground which would have enabled a new modern ground to be built right next to their existing stadium. However their financial crisis meant they had to sell this land/some of their owners took it away and over time it has been used as a retail development with a big Tesco there. So their perfect scenario for building a new ground in the city has been lost.

Like with most clubs looking for a new ground it will probably now mean they have to move miles out of the city which will inevitably harm the atmosphere. Fratton Park literally is falling down such has been the lack of investment and they're going to have to find substantial money to repair it just to be granted a certificate to host games. I expect this is one of the reasons they are selling to the American as he can help build a new ground or at least in the meantime repair Fratton Park.

As I said last week, its fine being fan owned if you're getting 15,000 turning up and playing Morecambe and Accy Stanley. If you want a new stadium, training ground and to compete in the Championship or higher you need more investment and 15,000 turning up is nothing special.

 

[AAK]

Just now, JHRover said:

Unfortunately for them the club used to own large swathes of land around Fratton Park. Once upon a time there was plenty of derelict land owned by the club next to the ground which would have enabled a new modern ground to be built right next to their existing stadium. However their financial crisis meant they had to sell this land/some of their owners took it away and over time it has been used as a retail development with a big Tesco there. So their perfect scenario for building a new ground in the city has been lost.

Like with most clubs looking for a new ground it will probably now mean they have to move miles out of the city which will inevitably harm the atmosphere. Fratton Park literally is falling down such has been the lack of investment and they're going to have to find substantial money to repair it just to be granted a certificate to host games. I expect this is one of the reasons they are selling to the American as he can help build a new ground or at least in the meantime repair Fratton Park.

As I said last week, its fine being fan owned if you're getting 15,000 turning up and playing Morecambe and Accy Stanley. If you want a new stadium, training ground and to compete in the Championship or higher you need more investment and 15,000 turning up is nothing special.

 

Not supported owned soon, they've agreed to sell to an american chap, former disney CEO, mate.

[Stuart]

38 minutes ago, JHRover said:

From a historical perspective and an infrastructure perspective we are bigger than Portsmouth. Won more, more years at the top, more achievements, vastly superior stadium, training ground etc. They arguably have more potential than us owing to their catchment area and will have bigger crowds than us because they are on their road to recovery and are fan owned. If they were being stripped bare by Indians they wouldn't be getting 15,000 a week. Lets remember they used to have average crowds of 8,000 not so long since whilst we were winning the Premier League so its all about context and circumstances.

Whilst all history is a source of pride, and should be cherished and learned from, the modern game can probably be realistically traced back to WW2 at the earliest.

Although a couple of years old, this is an interesting article...

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2014/08/08/arsenals-unbroken-post-war-top-flight-tenure-puts-them-top-of-15-deserved-pl-teams-080801/

It puts Rovers and Portsmouth as Championship pedigree. Rovers 8th and Pompey 10th. (Burnley in 12th).

Still better than where the Raos are taking us but it does show that we shouldn't automatically be thinking of ourselves as a bigger club than Portsmouth. You are only as good as your last season and you have to keep competing every year to have that title. Scratched black & white photos of moustached men in long trousers don't give you an edge. A PL trophy in a cabinet probably should but when you have owners who are happy to @#/? all over our history it sadly does not. Let's hope they sell to somebody with some pride and knowledge of what Rovers are sooner rather than later. Or I fear very soon the shoreline will be too far out of sight to paddle back to.

[JAL]

2 hours ago, JHRover said:

Unfortunately for them the club used to own large swathes of land around Fratton Park. Once upon a time there was plenty of derelict land owned by the club next to the ground which would have enabled a new modern ground to be built right next to their existing stadium. However their financial crisis meant they had to sell this land/some of their owners took it away and over time it has been used as a retail development with a big Tesco there. So their perfect scenario for building a new ground in the city has been lost.

Like with most clubs looking for a new ground it will probably now mean they have to move miles out of the city which will inevitably harm the atmosphere. Fratton Park literally is falling down such has been the lack of investment and they're going to have to find substantial money to repair it just to be granted a certificate to host games. I expect this is one of the reasons they are selling to the American as he can help build a new ground or at least in the meantime repair Fratton Park.

As I said last week, its fine being fan owned if you're getting 15,000 turning up and playing Morecambe and Accy Stanley. If you want a new stadium, training ground and to compete in the Championship or higher you need more investment and 15,000 turning up is nothing special.

 

The best solution for pompey is to build a new ground on the reclaimed land, aside of the motorway as you drive in, this scheme was on the table several seasons ago before they went bust. As for the pompey crowds I'd predict they could draw on average 25,000 per week.

But it's very disappointing that their own people who saved them can't deliver on this.

[47er]

Swansea lost 15m quid last season too, another blow to those of us who want to see fans owning or at least involved in the direction of their clubs.

[Mattyblue]

Stuart has a point re post war Rovers.

We went on a decline at exactly the wrong time.

Obviously losing the FA Cup final of 1960 on the manner we did was  unfortunate, but to get relegated in 1966 of all years was disastrous.

Football in the 70s is a time that still resonates now - Match of the Day, colour TV, Brian Clough, the rise of Liverpool, George Best, FA Cup final day etc etc.

That was a period in which we were floundering and Burnley had their only period of success.

I believe that is why we never got the credit we deserved as a club in the 90s, we were seen as some financially doped upstart whose only success was at a time of Pathe newswreels and matches against the Old Etonians and not as the renaissance of a grand old club. 

 

[Bigdoggsteel]

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

Stuart has a point re post war Rovers.

We went on a decline at exactly the wrong time.

Obviously losing the FA Cup final of 1960 on the manner we did was  unfortunate, but to get relegated in 1966 of all years was disastrous.

Football in the 70s is a time that still resonates now - Match of the Day, colour TV, Brian Clough, the rise of Liverpool, George Best, FA Cup final day etc etc.

That was a period in which we were floundering and Burnley had their only period of success.

I believe that is why we never got the credit we deserved as a club in the 90s, we were seen as some financially doped upstart whose only success was at a time of Pathe newswreels and matches against the Old Etonians and not as the renaissance of a grand old club. 

 

Great post. Parallels to now are striking to me. I really believe we were relegated at the wrong time from the premier league. I saw a chart the other day of hugest wage bills in the world. Sunderland are ahead of athletico Madrid. West brom, West Ham ,crystal palace and Swansea off the top of my head are in the top 20 at almost 100 million per year. Mad stuff. Imagine we had have stuck around under proper owners. We were a more established Premiership club than any of those teams. The thoughts of the squad we could have makes me sad. 

Its not all about money though. I would argue us having a great season next year ,with players who want to be here and play for the club,would make me happier than plodding along in the mid table of the premiership. 

[roverstdt]

One of our apparent targets have gone to Preston in Sean Maguire. A little relieved we didn't get him. In other news I am surprise but Bruno Silva one of Portugal best cb has signed for Rangers. 

I would love to see us snap up Liam Boyce from Ross County. 

 

[Bigdoggsteel]

Why would you not like to see us sign Seanie Maguire? 

[Stuart]

2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Stuart has a point re post war Rovers.

We went on a decline at exactly the wrong time.

Obviously losing the FA Cup final of 1960 on the manner we did was  unfortunate, but to get relegated in 1966 of all years was disastrous.

Football in the 70s is a time that still resonates now - Match of the Day, colour TV, Brian Clough, the rise of Liverpool, George Best, FA Cup final day etc etc.

That was a period in which we were floundering and Burnley had their only period of success.

I believe that is why we never got the credit we deserved as a club in the 90s, we were seen as some financially doped upstart whose only success was at a time of Pathe newswreels and matches against the Old Etonians and not as the renaissance of a grand old club. 

For me, what makes it worse is that, because Rovers are being (artificially) driven downward by the Raos, it gives others the chance to say that without Jack this is where we would be, and adds credence to the idea that we bought top flight football - when the view from this side of the fence was that Jack returned us to our original standing. Jack brought pride and people back, which helped to sustain those ten years from 2001-2011 but Venkys have reversed all that and it looks like they will drop us at our lowest ever level.

If Burnley fans had taken over they could not have done a more effective or more painful job. Paced just slowly enough to avoid a majority protest movement putting any pressure on while in the PL (where it was noticeable), and making small, honest-looking changes at critical times to quell the majority of the hardcore.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roverstdt said:

One of our apparent targets have gone to Preston in Sean Maguire. A little relieved we didn't get him. In other news I am surprise but Bruno Silva one of Portugal best cb has signed for Rangers. 

I would love to see us snap up Liam Boyce from Ross County. 

 

Liam Boyce would cost money

[roverstdt]

16 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Liam Boyce would cost money

Indeed he would be not a whole lot of money. I would also throw in Nial McGinn who is available on a free having been released from Aberdeen.