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59 minutes ago, S8 & Blue said:

10-15 minutes here and there aren’t the same as a run of starting games, that would’ve helped him massively imo when he first came in.

But equally you have to show enough to warrant more game time, and that you deserve regular starts. He certainly failed to do that.

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4 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

 

Maja was a loan and I dont care about could haves and should haves. Is he here, no.

@Bbrovers2288has said it loan to buy next season which got us around FFP rules. It was a done deal until his failed medical. Hardly Rovers fault was it. He choose.Rovers over Forest aswell to join aswell. 

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1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

@Bbrovers2288has said it loan to buy next season which got us around FFP rules. It was a done deal until his failed medical. Hardly Rovers fault was it. He choose.Rovers over Forest aswell to join aswell. 

Whether that was an obligation or merely an option to buy is unknown, and the potential to buy itself is merely speculation. And irrelevant because he didnt sign. And a very small matter amidst the overall point of a lack of plan throughout the last 10/11 years.

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Good article from ESPN on Ben, and another from The Sun.

 

https://www.espn.com/soccer/chile-chi/story/4496635/chile-hope-england-born-ben-brereton-diaz-can-salvage-world-cup-hopes

Chile hope England-born Ben Brereton Díaz can salvage World Cup hopes

"The Blackburn striker is supplying exactly what the ageing Chile side have been lacking -- thrust and energy and youth. Seeing that he can thrive at the level has clearly done wonders for the confidence of a player who had previously been struggling to live up to expectations with his club after being transferred from Nottingham Forest for a substantial fee."

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/16346867/stats-england-chile-ben-brereton-diaz/

Stats show Ben Brereton Díaz is a different player after swapping England for Chile and he has "South American Edge"

 

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BONUS

Another Chilean commercial starring BBD, this time for Top, which is an underwear & clothing company.  

 

The advert is titled "Ben Brereton's Story".  Top is the brand name but the word "top" in chilean spanish also means "great" or "the best" or "wonderful".  One of many English-language influences on chilean spanish.

 

In the ad,  the narrator says:

"From a young age, 2 things were clear to Ben: that he would have a Top [ie, great] life and a great beard.

"One Christmas he received a gift that would change his life, and they would be inseperable.  Truly inseperable.

"Ben was destined to be Top [the best], not only due to his great talent but also to his super smile.

"One day he received a call from a far away place, where he found his roots [holding crockery/plate, which was his Chilean family's business] and the love of an entire country.

"There is no doubt:  Ben was born to be Top [the best]."

At the end, Ben himself voices "Siéntete cómodo, siéntete Top." Feel comfortable, feel Top [great].

 

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18 hours ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Vindicate the move? Therein lies the problem for me.

In the last nine years, do we think a) players ever been signed to support the current( at the time) team in a genuine push for promotion?....or b)have they been signed merely for future profit?..( while the actual team bobs around between mid to bottom end of the league table......with a series of mediocre/inexperienced managers)

I would say a lot of signings over the last 9 years fit neither criteria , hence why I said I would take a Brereton style transfer, where he eventually delivers and will command a fee when leaving. 

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11 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

But equally you have to show enough to warrant more game time, and that you deserve regular starts. He certainly failed to do that.

If you spend £7m on a lad who just played a full season for Notts Forest and won the EFL young player of the year then in my view he starts every game for at least the first 20 games of that season. If not why bother singing him when we had pressing concerns in other areas of the pitch?

What I wouldn't do is bring him on for 10 mins at the end of a game (probably when losing) and then see fans start classing him as appalling because he hasn't managed to score a hat trick in what little time he gets on the pitch.

You could see his confidence drain away that first season with the way Mowbray managed him. With hindsight I bet Ben wished he stayed at Forest and got another full season or two in and he may have reached the point he is at now much sooner. Thankfully in the end its worked out and its wonderful to hear the 'Diaz' chants at Ewood after he bangs another one in.

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32 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I would say a lot of signings over the last 9 years fit neither criteria , hence why I said I would take a Brereton style transfer, where he eventually delivers and will command a fee when leaving. 

Spending £7m on 'projects' is a massive gamble thiough. Brereton could quite easily regress or get injured a la Dack. 

In our financial situation, I'd rather that we spent the money across the board on proven players who can make an instant difference.

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29 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Spending £7m on 'projects' is a massive gamble thiough. Brereton could quite easily regress or get injured a la Dack. 

In our financial situation, I'd rather that we spent the money across the board on proven players who can make an instant difference.

It's not that simple though. Big clubs spend 10s of millions and they fail at this.

The gamble in this instance paid off, so credit to the club and the manager 

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6 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

It's not that simple though. Big clubs spend 10s of millions and they fail at this.

The gamble in this instance paid off, so credit to the club and the manager 

How has it paid off? We might sell him for a few million profit. that's it.

Looking at it holistically, the team is no better off as a result of this 'project'. We're still the same mid table plodders we were 4 years ago.

I'd argue that the money should have been spent on a number of players who could have improved the team in more than one area.

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42 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Spending £7m on 'projects' is a massive gamble thiough. Brereton could quite easily regress or get injured a la Dack. 

In our financial situation, I'd rather that we spent the money across the board on proven players who can make an instant difference.

It was a daft signing at the time. Gambling £7m on a young lad when we needed to strengthen other areas which has held us back for years.

Brereton's goalscoring feats may have redeemed the player but not the reckless signing. The only way it would is if his goals fire us into the Premier League, offset some of the debt and buy us some great players.

If we sell him none of that money will make it to the pitch.

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8 hours ago, LordBaltimore said:

BONUS

Another Chilean commercial starring BBD, this time for Top, which is an underwear & clothing company.  

 

The advert is titled "Ben Brereton's Story".  Top is the brand name but the word "top" in chilean spanish also means "great" or "the best" or "wonderful".  One of many English-language influences on chilean spanish.

 

In the ad,  the narrator says:

"From a young age, 2 things were clear to Ben: that he would have a Top [ie, great] life and a great beard.

"One Christmas he received a gift that would change his life, and they would be inseperable.  Truly inseperable.

"Ben was destined to be Top [the best], not only due to his great talent but also to his super smile.

"One day he received a call from a far away place, where he found his roots [holding crockery/plate, which was his Chilean family's business] and the love of an entire country.

"There is no doubt:  Ben was born to be Top [the best]."

At the end, Ben himself voices "Siéntete cómodo, siéntete Top." Feel comfortable, feel Top [great].

 

For those not familiar with the Spanish Language, the word for beard is barba, so pretty easy to remember. The Gran Barba ( Great Beard) is a great nickname for him.

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17 minutes ago, booth said:

It was a daft signing at the time. Gambling £7m on a young lad when we needed to strengthen other areas which has held us back for years.

Brereton's goalscoring feats may have redeemed the player but not the reckless signing. The only way it would is if his goals fire us into the Premier League, offset some of the debt and buy us some great players.

If we sell him none of that money will make it to the pitch.

The signing was typical really of what we have seen, under these owners. No matter who the manager is and no matter who appears to be the decision maker at Ewood, it always seem to a a front, for crazy things being done.

Most have failed, maybe Ben was turn into a successful piece of business, but these owners are certainly gambling, with the very future of our club.

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24 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

How has it paid off? We might sell him for a few million profit. that's it.

Looking at it holistically, the team is no better off as a result of this 'project'. We're still the same mid table plodders we were 4 years ago.

I'd argue that the money should have been spent on a number of players who could have improved the team in more than one area.

It has paid off because we currently have the top scorer in the division and will make a profit, potentially a large one. Making profit is literally the name of the game for a club like us. 

You are operating off the assumption that if we didn't sign Brereton we could have spread the 6 million around and become a force in the division? You are over estimating what 6 million would get you these days 

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5 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

It has paid off because we currently have the top scorer in the division and will make a profit, potentially a large one. Making profit is literally the name of the game for a club like us. 

You are operating off the assumption that if we didn't sign Brereton we could have spread the 6 million around and become a force in the division? You are over estimating what 6 million would get you these days 

You could also say, that despite having the top scorer in the league, we currently sit eighth in the league. Any profit on Brereton, is pure speculation. I don't see how this comes under the brackets of, Paid off for the Rovers ? 

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Just now, rigger said:

You could also say, that despite having the top scorer in the league, we currently sit eighth in the league. Any profit on Brereton, is pure speculation. I don't see how this comes under the brackets of, Paid off for the Rovers ? 

You don't think we will make a profit and you don't see how making a profit is of benefit to the club?

Ok then , fair enough 

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5 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

It has paid off because we currently have the top scorer in the division and will make a profit, potentially a large one. Making profit is literally the name of the game for a club like us. 

You are operating off the assumption that if we didn't sign Brereton we could have spread the 6 million around and become a force in the division? You are over estimating what 6 million would get you these days 

It hasn't paid off yet, unless you put a bet on.

No one is operating on the assumption that Mowbray would have done better with the money because in his bizarro world, anything could and does happen. The point is, at that moment in time the team needed investment in other areas but Mowbray decided to take a gamble which has taken years to even approach paying off. It hasn't paid off because the club is none the better for it. It's still Tonyhog Day. His bizarre decisions are still echoing today.

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45 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

How has it paid off? We might sell him for a few million profit. that's it.

Looking at it holistically, the team is no better off as a result of this 'project'. We're still the same mid table plodders we were 4 years ago.

I'd argue that the money should have been spent on a number of players who could have improved the team in more than one area.

If he is our main goalscorer and his goals keep us away from trouble this year then his signing will have been worth more than just a few million profit.

100% in agreement it was too much money for a single young player for a club in our position, however spending the transfer fee across the board on 3 or 4 players means wages and 2 or 3 year contracts for for 3 or 4 players rather than one 

Brererton isn't on big money, he didnt come with a wage that a more experienced player would want or what 3 or 4 players would have cost us

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Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

You don't think we will make a profit and you don't see how making a profit is of benefit to the club?

Ok then , fair enough 

Where in my post did I say that I don't think we will make a profit on Brereton, what I said was that due to the fact he hasn't been sold it is pure speculation. As for the second part of your made up statement. I give up.

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4 minutes ago, booth said:

It hasn't paid off yet, unless you put a bet on.

No one is operating on the assumption that Mowbray would have done better with the money because in his bizarro world, anything could and does happen. The point is, at that moment in time the team needed investment in other areas but Mowbray decided to take a gamble which has taken years to even approach paying off. It hasn't paid off because the club is none the better for it. It's still Tonyhog Day. His bizarre decisions are still echoing today.

It has paid off though. He is playing super stuff for club and country and barring injury, he will now leave for a big fee. 

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5 minutes ago, rigger said:

Where in my post did I say that I don't think we will make a profit on Brereton, what I said was that due to the fact he hasn't been sold it is pure speculation. As for the second part of your made up statement. I give up.

You said it's pure speculation that we will make a profit. Barring injury, we will make a profit and potentially a large one. It's safe to state this. Profit on a transfer is good and we look like we will at least double what was paid for him. He is the top scorer in the league.  Hence why the deal has worked out, eventually. 

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1 minute ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

You said it's pure speculation that we will make a profit. Barring injury, we will make a profit and potentially a large one. It's safe to state this. Profit on a transfer is good and we look like we will at least double what was paid for him. Hence why the deal has worked out, eventually. 

You say barring injury, we will make a profit on Brereton. I would also add to that list. A loss of form, or running down his contract and leaving on a free. May I add this is not what I think will happen, it is pure speculation.

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2 minutes ago, rigger said:

You say barring injury, we will make a profit on Brereton. I would also add to that list. A loss of form, or running down his contract and leaving on a free. May I add this is not what I think will happen, it is pure speculation.

He won't run down his deal, because if he doesn't sign he will be sold this summer. I bet it will be for more than Armstrong as well.  

He is a key member of our team now, top scorer in the league, an international footballer at a high level and an absolute superstar in Chile. The deal worked out.  

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