Tony Mowbray

[alex l]

Mowbray on No Tippy Tappy. Lots of Rovers covered - budgets, Suhail, transfers... Some won't like what they hear. He seems a principled man in an unprincipled industry. 

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[roversfan99]

Excellent news. The usual suspects will be like blood to a hound with this.

He didnt ask for more money will be turned into him actively not wanting to get promoted, even though all logic suggests that it was in his best interests to do it. And more blame can be taken away from the real reason that we have never really come close to promotion.

[Tomphil2]

At the end of the day he's too honest and stuck in his ways for his own good, hard to not respect him but it's also frustrating beyond the pale at times.

We are used to so much bullshit at this club and football in general it's often hard to fathom the validity of honesty when it makes an appearance.

Mowbray blew some decent wage budgets here and was no doubt happy with the plod but his bosses were the ones who were responsible for that it's ultimately their lack of vision and ambition that creates the situation.

[alex l]

Sam seems like he can't believe it that Tony didn't ask for more money to push for promotion. I think I once heard how, when he wanted Salgado, it meant we needed to finish a couple of positions higher to hit the budget target. He went ahead with the signing - more cut throat than Tony. 

[rigger]

Mowbray suggested that being honest and principled was the reason he spent most of his time managing in the second tier. I would say it was more a lack of a winning mentality.

Edited 17 hours ago by rigger

[Leonard Venkhater]

"Their culture is respect"... Not for us fans!

[RoversClitheroe]

Absolutely mental some of things coming out of that podcast.

Tony happy with mid table? 

Didn't ask for investment when we were so close?

I can't understand it.

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Absolutely mental some of things coming out of that podcast.

Tony happy with mid table? 

Didn't ask for investment when we were so close?

I can't understand it.

Nothing he hasnt freely admitted himself in the past.

Man of principle?  Do me a favour - Which manager doesn't try his utmost for the Club he's working for? (Apart from him)

Too many people fooled by the old "Jumpers for goalposts, lemon drizzle cake" routine.

[Parsonblue]

Loved that episode with Mowbray.  A top class guy who, for me, did a fantastic job for this club at a time when we were in a mess.  His love of football is there for all to see and you can see why he is so loved by players and fans alike.  A principled man in an industry where principles are often cast aside all too often.

[Leonard Venkhater]

21 minutes ago, Parsonblue said:

Loved that episode with Mowbray.  A top class guy who, for me, did a fantastic job for this club at a time when we were in a mess.  His love of football is there for all to see and you can see why he is so loved by players and fans alike.  A principled man in an industry where principles are often cast aside all too often.

I could listen to him all day, talking about football...but I did get a belly-full of "Rovers fans, just want to see Shearer and Sutton banging in the goals again"...The old "entitled" card?

I think we just wanted a normal club again...

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Nothing he hasnt freely admitted himself in the past.

Man of principle?  Do me a favour - Which manager doesn't try his utmost for the Club he's working for? (Apart from him)

Too many people fooled by the old "Jumpers for goalposts, lemon drizzle cake" routine.

Did he say that he wasnt doing his utmost for the club he was working for?

Like with the theory that he actively didnt want promotion, which makes no sense. Your imagination runs wild when Mowbray is involved.

[RevidgeBlue]

20 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Did he say that he wasnt doing his utmost for the club he was working for?

Like with the theory that he actively didnt want promotion, which makes no sense. Your imagination runs wild when Mowbray is involved.

Clearly he didn't as he didn't press the owners for investment when promotion was a possibility.

There's no other way you can sugar coat that. Any other manager would want the best squad or X1 humanly possible at his disposal.

It was his job to win football matches not manage the finances and finish 15th every other season.

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, Parsonblue said:

Loved that episode with Mowbray.  A top class guy who, for me, did a fantastic job for this club at a time when we were in a mess.  His love of football is there for all to see and you can see why he is so loved by players and fans alike.  A principled man in an industry where principles are often cast aside all too often.

Massively overstayed his welcome, especially when it was clear he had zero ambition.

Brought us some stability then should have been replaced.

[RevidgeBlue]

4 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Brought us some stability then should have been replaced.

Yes - with the benefit of hindsight immediately after the promotion but even without hindsight definitely after the first season back in the Championship. 

Several completely wasted years followed.

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Clearly he didn't as he didn't press the owners for investment when promotion was a possibility.

There's no other way you can sugar coat that. Any other manager would want the best squad or X1 humanly possible at his disposal.

It was his job to win football matches not manage the finances and finish 15th every other season.

He shouldnt need to "press the owners." 

But they probably wouldnt have given him more money anyway. They havent in any of the Januarys since. Which i am sure you will pin on Mowbray too.

It makes absolutely no sense for him not to want promotion. I have no doubt that he gave his absolute utmost to get results with the players he had. He just came up short.

The initial theory that you said was that he actively told them that he didnt want more money. Which isnt true.

If we fixate on people who pass through, similar to the Travis situation. Our angst goes to the wrong place.

[RevidgeBlue]

23 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The initial theory that you said was that he actively told them that he didnt want more money. Which isnt true.

His quote in the LT at the time was that he had to "calm the owners down".

I havent had time to watch this latest podcast yet but at the time he gave the impression he actively discouraged them from investing further.

[roversfan99]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

His quote in the LT at the time was that he had to "calm the owners down".

I havent had time to watch this latest podcast yet but at the time he gave the impression he actively discouraged them from investing further.

I dont even understand why you even would put yourself through it such is your irrational hatred of him.

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I dont even understand why you even would put yourself through it such is your irrational hatred of him.

I wonder why?

At the time there were rumours that there was a midfielder lined up to join us, but he was discouraged because Mowbray said he'd have to wait in line behind Evans and Smallwood and learn how they played etc.

There were also rumours that that midfielders name was John Mcginn. How ridiculous does that sound now? But that's how ridiculous things were under Mowbray, ditto him giving Ben Gladwin a new deal purely so he could recuperate from injury, ditto him stockpiling players to the extent he had 14 midfielders to choose from at one point.

You could go on and on.

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I wonder why?

At the time there were rumours that there was a midfielder lined up to join us, but he was discouraged because Mowbray said he'd have to wait in line behind Evans and Smallwood and learn how they played etc.

There were also rumours that that midfielders name was John Mcginn. How ridiculous does that sound now? But that's how ridiculous things were under Mowbray, ditto him giving Ben Gladwin a new deal purely so he could recuperate from injury, ditto him stockpiling players to the extent he had 14 midfielders to choose from at one point.

You could go on and on.

None of that warrants hatred, 4 years on, especially when much of those things are speculation on your part.

McGinn went to Villa the summer we wanted him. I think you are confusing that with Reed who he played wide. Perhaps the wrong decision, but something that should warrant frustration at the time, no more.

My recommendation would be not to watch that podcast, purely for your own health.

[RoversClitheroe]

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

None of that warrants hatred, 4 years on, especially when much of those things are speculation on your part.

McGinn went to Villa the summer we wanted him. I think you are confusing that with Reed who he played wide. Perhaps the wrong decision, but something that should warrant frustration at the time, no more.

My recommendation would be not to watch that podcast, purely for your own health.

It absolutely does.

Zero ambition for Tony. Happy with mid table.

[MarkBRFC]

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

None of that warrants hatred, 4 years on, especially when much of those things are speculation on your part.

McGinn went to Villa the summer we wanted him. I think you are confusing that with Reed who he played wide. Perhaps the wrong decision, but something that should warrant frustration at the time, no more.

No he's absolutely correct on the John McGinn story. 

We had the chance to sign him very early in the window but Mowbray told him he was coming in as back up to what we already had (Smallwood & Evans).

He did end up signing for Villa in that window, in mid August.

We ended up with Reed on loan instead, who was miles better than those pair but as you say spent most of his time out wide.

A very strange manager/character Mowbray, I personally dont particularly like or dislike him, but his constant sniping at the fans when in one of his many death spirals with "not 1995 anymore" ""I'm a development coach" " I dont work on set pieces" "I dont look at league tables" etc always left a bad taste in my mouth.

Also the constant complaining that he was away from home all the time like he was doing us a huge favour, he took the job! Then ended up at Birmingham and West Brom years later that were even further away.

Also encouraging his own staff leaving the club for Sunderland because "they are a huge tank coming past our knackered little car".

People are too gushy over a 3rd division promotion when it comes to Mowbray for me. He did an ok job for around 24-30 months, then massively outstayed his welcome.

 

[DeeCee]

The not going for the title in League 1 did it for me. Steady pair of hands up to that point but happy with being one of the also rans whilst cultivating a persona that he's a "good football man".

Should have gone as soon as we were promoted.

 

[KentExile]

1 hour ago, MarkBRFC said:

No he's absolutely correct on the John McGinn story. 

We had the chance to sign him very early in the window but Mowbray told him he was coming in as back up to what we already had (Smallwood & Evans).

He did end up signing for Villa in that window, in mid August.

We ended up with Reed on loan instead, who was miles better than those pair but as you say spent most of his time out wide.

A very strange manager/character Mowbray, I personally dont particularly like or dislike him, but his constant sniping at the fans when in one of his many death spirals with "not 1995 anymore" ""I'm a development coach" " I dont work on set pieces" "I dont look at league tables" etc always left a bad taste in my mouth.

Also the constant complaining that he was away from home all the time like he was doing us a huge favour, he took the job! Then ended up at Birmingham and West Brom years later that were even further away.

Also encouraging his own staff leaving the club for Sunderland because "they are a huge tank coming past our knackered little car".

People are too gushy over a 3rd division promotion when it comes to Mowbray for me. He did an ok job for around 24-30 months, then massively outstayed his welcome.

 

Essentially he was/is in it for the players & staff (people that he knows personally) rather than the club & fans (which almost seem like "abstract ideas" to him)

That doesn't make him a horrible person, I just think he has the wrong view of which of those is more important if you are employed as a football manager/head coach

Edited 2 hours ago by KentExile

[Exiled_Rover]

6 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Essentially he was/is in it for the players & staff (people that he knows personally) rather than the club & fans (which almost seem like "abstract ideas" to him)

That doesn't make him a horrible person, I just think he has the wrong view of which of those is more important if you are employed as a football managers/head coach

I've got no problem with a Manager being about the players / his staff (heaven knows Eustace was!), just don't verbalise it!

The fans will turn on you in a second.

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, MarkBRFC said:

No he's absolutely correct on the John McGinn story. 

We had the chance to sign him very early in the window but Mowbray told him he was coming in as back up to what we already had (Smallwood & Evans).

He did end up signing for Villa in that window, in mid August.

We ended up with Reed on loan instead, who was miles better than those pair but as you say spent most of his time out wide.

A very strange manager/character Mowbray, I personally dont particularly like or dislike him, but his constant sniping at the fans when in one of his many death spirals with "not 1995 anymore" ""I'm a development coach" " I dont work on set pieces" "I dont look at league tables" etc always left a bad taste in my mouth.

Also the constant complaining that he was away from home all the time like he was doing us a huge favour, he took the job! Then ended up at Birmingham and West Brom years later that were even further away.

Also encouraging his own staff leaving the club for Sunderland because "they are a huge tank coming past our knackered little car".

People are too gushy over a 3rd division promotion when it comes to Mowbray for me. He did an ok job for around 24-30 months, then massively outstayed his welcome.

 

I think it was 'tanker' and he's ultimately proven to be right. Granted we've had anchors like him weighing us down.