Venky’s (& Suhail) Out Protest Ideas

[MarkBRFC]

14 hours ago, Roverthechimp said:

my Christmas hope is that we might see Pasha recede to the shadows for a while and maybe even a football related patsy (sorry CEO) installed which tends to lead to better short term decisions for about 10 months (or longer if the head coach is sufficiently mediocre to never threaten the playoffs)

Not a chance.

[TheKitGuy]

37 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

The Letter from the Coalition remains totally ignored,a two fingered salute to the fans of this Club.

As if we needed any more proof of their arrogance,THE most hated owners this Club has ever had.

Congratulations with your Indian 'Pride'.

It was answered by the club plants.

[Tomphil2]

15 hours ago, Roverthechimp said:

Anyone "know" (I accept nobody may have a definitiv 100% confirmation) if Pashas India jaunt was scheduled or if it was more of a spontaneous summons?

My "grasping at straws" hope is that the public scrutiny after the abandoned games circus has knocked his credibility "this week".

Coupled with Pickering being played, Gueye being dropped, Tavares not coming on and VI actually mentioning telephone contact (though without context or timeline) my Christmas hope is that we might see Pasha recede to the shadows for a while and maybe even a football related patsy (sorry CEO) installed which tends to lead to better short term decisions for about 10 months (or longer if the head coach is sufficiently mediocre to never threaten the playoffs)

No point him going back into the shadows where hes been operating from for a decade or so, nothing will change.

He needs to be front of house and held accountable for his actions, his bosses actions who he represents here and the actions of those he employs.

There's NO excuses, as COO THAT is his job otherwise clear off permanently.

[Roverthechimp]

48 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

No point him going back into the shadows where hes been operating from for a decade or so, nothing will change.

He needs to be front of house and held accountable for his actions, his bosses actions who he represents here and the actions of those he employs.

There's NO excuses, as COO THAT is his job otherwise clear off permanently.

What I want and what will happen are different things. Of course I want a functioning leadership at the club with appropriate powers.

Just not likely IMO - more interested if Pasha is “on the naughty step” and if we will see a short term return to the faux stability whilst the heat dissipates or if the timing is purely coincidental 

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, MarkBRFC said:

Unfortunately, judging by Saturday it's been completely ignored by the vast majority of the match going fanbase too.

Supporters want to carry on to back the players inside Ewood Park. You are never going to stop people buying from the club shop or concourse 

1 hour ago, TheKitGuy said:

It was answered by the club plants.

what was the replies? 

[Mattyblue]

It’s very simple. The wages are paid and there’s a team in blue and white running around Ewood Park, whilst that is the case a good few thousand will turn up, plus they’ll buy a pie if they fancy and they’ll buy some tat from the shop if they fancy and that’s that.

There is no point in wasting energy in worrying about changing minds of such folk.

[Tomphil2]

31 minutes ago, Roverthechimp said:

What I want and what will happen are different things. Of course I want a functioning leadership at the club with appropriate powers.

Just not likely IMO - more interested if Pasha is “on the naughty step” and if we will see a short term return to the faux stability whilst the heat dissipates or if the timing is purely coincidental 

My take on it is he might have spat his dummy at the scrutiny he's now under and taken some extra family time away on an already pre arranged trip.

Before he comes back and just carries on regardless.

I think we can be sure that won't won't be happening is him going over there telling them straight what's going on and what we need. Nor will it be them summoning him to explain the mess that has unfolded since their summer cashing in exercise.

Unfortunately.

[MarkBRFC]

54 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Supporters want to carry on to back the players inside Ewood Park. You are never going to stop people buying from the club shop or concourse 

 

Exactly, so there is no point getting at the club for ignoring the letter when the match gong fans have ignored it too.

[Herbie6590]

Daniel Storey in today’s i paper…*that* final paragraph 😢

 

[jim mk2]

Excitement, worry, anxiety,  fear, concern, brief raised hopes, ultimately dashed, drift, time, lots of time, slow decline, then finally apathy, because no one cares any more

The slow death of a famous football club

[RevidgeBlue]

5 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

Daniel Storey in today’s i paper…*that* final paragraph 😢

 

What a great article that is. 

"Ewood Park, home for 135 years, is full of memories and trinkets,that have become ghosts of a time when people were proud to come here".

And (Re The Coalition) 

"Their mandate is everything that's no more, tangible and intangible: investment, ambition, hope."

Absolutely nailed it.

 

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Supporters want to carry on to back the players inside Ewood Park. You are never going to stop people buying from the club shop or concourse 

what was the replies?

I know it's entirely a matter of choice and personal conscience whether or not you attend games but imo you're treading a dangerously fine line between trolling and not with a flippant and dismissive attitude like that.

We all know you won't personally support any form of boycott or protest but why continually pour cold water on the well intentioned efforts of others?

Plus you've said at least twice you weren't going to post in this thread any more.

Edited 4 hours ago by RevidgeBlue

[chaddyrovers]

8 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I know it's entirely a matter of choice and personal conscience whether or not you attend games but imo you're treading a dangerously fine line between trolling and not with a flippant and dismissive attitude like that.

We all know you won't personally support any form of boycott or protest but why continually pour cold water on the efforts of others?

Plus you've said at least twice you weren't going to post in this thread any more.

Where am I pour cold water on people not going? Its their choice. Its a personal choice. I have posted my thoughts on protest and what's gone on in the past seasons of protests/boycotting/etc. I also posted supporters who are still attending and why they are. I asked people around me about this boycott call or NAPM campaign and what they thoughts on it. You attend on Saturday, did you ask people around you about it? 

No I said I take a break from it. A few days. Its was Josh's post that interested me alot the other day. 

Edited 3 hours ago by chaddyrovers

[StHelensRover]

9 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I know it's entirely a matter of choice and personal conscience whether or not you attend games but imo you're treading a dangerously fine line between trolling and not with a flippant and dismissive attitude like that.

We all know you won't personally support any form of boycott or protest but why continually pour cold water on the well intentioned efforts of others?

Plus you've said at least twice you weren't going to post in this thread any more.

The best thing you can do is to use the mute feature. I'm going to take part in the Watford boycott and I am having to seriously consider season ticket renewal after 27 consecutive seasons. However, the responses I've now seen on here, social media more widely in addition what I've heard down at Ewood at the weekend have left me resigned to the fact that it won't work and that many people are going to ignore it. There are certain people on this message board who probably cannot wait for it to fail and you're best muting them. 

Edited 3 hours ago by StHelensRover

[Mattyblue]

Fundamentally, and I don’t say this lightly, the likes of Glen and the rest of the Coalition decision makers don’t understand the mindset of the majority of the remaining match goers, that’s majority and remaining and their motivations when it comes to their fortnightly or so visits to Ewood - i.e not the likes of us on brfcs/their own social circles that still go but will do whatever it takes to try and get the bastards out or not those that have already stopped going.

If they did they would not have gone near an ‘official’ boycott with a barge pole.

Edited 3 hours ago by Mattyblue

[StHelensRover]

I'd be really interested to know what the main decision is for those who go as to why they're not prepared to boycott, ones I can think of myself are:

- the owners don't care and it won't work

- not fair on the players

- it's really important part of my routine or the routine of my dependents (e.g. children, elderly or vulnerable) which I cannot forgo, even for one game

- I don't care about what happens off the pitch, I just 'back the boys' no matter what

- No one tells me what to do

That last one in bold is something I heard a few people saying at Ewood on Saturday, that included people who chant against the owners etc. I don't really understand that last one, just sounds like oppositional defiance. 

For each of those above reasons not to boycott, it's hard to get a message or interaction across that can interact with each point and put something convincing across without attracting hostile responses. I sympathise with the coalition on that point, it's very difficult 

[JHRover]

I imagine Pasha's jaunt to India is just a case of him taking stock and perhaps agreeing a 'strategy' for January (which probably involves a further round of cost cuts and wage reductions with a portion of the proceeds being allowed back into the squad. 

Suggestions that he's been summoned in response to performance/unrest likely to be well wide of the mark - more likely it will be bonus time for a jolly job well done in bringing in more cash whilst capping the wages.

There's no evidence going back over 15 years that these people have a shred of interest or will act over trivial matters like league position, results, collapsing attendances or fan unrest.

[RevidgeBlue]

57 minutes ago, StHelensRover said:

I'd be really interested to know what the main decision is for those who go as to why they're not prepared to boycott, ones I can think of myself are:

- the owners don't care and it won't work

- not fair on the players

- it's really important part of my routine or the routine of my dependents (e.g. children, elderly or vulnerable) which I cannot forgo, even for one game

- I don't care about what happens off the pitch, I just 'back the boys' no matter what

- No one tells me what to do

That last one in bold is something I heard a few people saying at Ewood on Saturday, that included people who chant against the owners etc. I don't really understand that last one, just sounds like oppositional defiance. 

For each of those above reasons not to boycott, it's hard to get a message or interaction across that can interact with each point and put something convincing across without attracting hostile responses. I sympathise with the coalition on that point, it's very difficult 

I asked my mate who's been ill if he'd be boycotting the Watford game and he said No because he didnt think it would make any difference.

I strongly disagree on that, there can't have been more than 7k on on Saturday as it was. The Club will be aware of the real numbers and alarm bells will surely be ringing already, not so much for this season maybe but certainly with a view to season ticket renewal time.

If numbers reduce any further for the Watford game that will be pretty noticeable on the eye and if it carries over into a collapse in season ticket sales, that will very much force their attention imo.

 

[Mattyblue]

Alarm bells with who? Still plenty of cut backs to be made yet.

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, Mattyblue said:

Alarm bells with who? Still plenty of cut backs to be made yet.

On what?

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

If they did they would not have gone near an ‘official’ boycott with a barge pole.

I disagree.

We have to start somewhere and it at least brings the concerns over the owners and management firmly into the spotlight.

Plus the take up might be better than anticipated, we won't know until we try.

And if it isnt so what? It's only the first step in what is likely to be a very protracted process.

 

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Many supporters of this Club are like Dogs chasing their tail.

All about themselves,nothing else matters..cant/wont see the bigger picture.

So damn disappointing,you do get to a point thinking why bother?

A dead Duck in the Water.

 

Edited 2 hours ago by SIMON GARNERS 194

[Rogerb]

9 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

On what?

Continual down grading of playing staff for starters

[RoversClitheroe]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Where am I pour cold water on people not going? Its their choice. Its a personal choice. I have posted my thoughts on protest and what's gone on in the past seasons of protests/boycotting/etc. I also posted supporters who are still attending and why they are. I asked people around me about this boycott call or NAPM campaign and what they thoughts on it. You attend on Saturday, did you ask people around you about it? 

No I said I take a break from it. A few days. Its was Josh's post that interested me alot the other day. 

You're literally ruining the thread by taking it over with content that's not constructive or productive.

[Exiled in Toronto Mk2]

1 hour ago, StHelensRover said:

I'd be really interested to know what the main decision is for those who go as to why they're not prepared to boycott, ones I can think of myself are:

- the owners don't care and it won't work

- not fair on the players

- it's really important part of my routine or the routine of my dependents (e.g. children, elderly or vulnerable) which I cannot forgo, even for one game

- I don't care about what happens off the pitch, I just 'back the boys' no matter what

- No one tells me what to do

That last one in bold is something I heard a few people saying at Ewood on Saturday, that included people who chant against the owners etc. I don't really understand that last one, just sounds like oppositional defiance. 

For each of those above reasons not to boycott, it's hard to get a message or interaction across that can interact with each point and put something convincing across without attracting hostile responses. I sympathise with the coalition on that point, it's very difficult 

All of those responses, in the minds of the people making them, are completely rational. Telling people to ignore what they think and act based on what someone else thinks was never going to be well received. It’s fundamentally bad strategy to call for something you can’t deliver, as not delivering it makes the Coalition look unrepresentative and ineffective.